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4/28 Game Thread: Brewers (12-10) at Cubs (12-8)

For the rest of the world, the story today is whether Greg Maddux, 2006 wonder boy, can start the season 5-0. If he were pitching for anybody else, I'd be rooting for him like he was one of our own. And still, I've got him on a couple of fantasy teams (along with Dave Bush!), so I wouldn't mind a nice pitcher's duel: say, 3-1 Brewers?

For us, the question is whether the Crew can keep this momemtum going over an off day and play a good series on the road. So far, Milwaukee has played three road series (against the Astros, Mets, and Cardinals) and taken exactly one game from each. The Cubs, while they're without Derrek Lee, haven't imploded yet, thanks in large part to the efforts of Mr. Maddux.

It's a 1:20 CT start this afternoon, as it will be tomorrow and the following day.

While you wait, some reading: rluzinski checks out the Brewers' pythagorean record to this point, based on baseRuns, which you'll have to scroll down further on his site to read more about. Also of a statistical bent, David Gassko has an article today at The Hardball Times that answers my question: are consistent starters better than inconsistent ones? Good stuff, and saves me some work.

Go Brewers!

Update [2006-4-28 13:53:12 by Jeff]:

Starting Lineups
Brewers Cubs
Rickie Weeks - 2B Juan Pierre - CF
JJ Hardy - SS Ronny Cedeno - SS
Geoff Jenkins - RF Todd Walker - 1B
Carlos Lee - LF Aramis Ramirez - 3B
Prince Fielder - 1B Matt Murton - LF
Corey Koskie - 3B Jacque Jones - RF
Damian Miller - C Neifi Perez - 2B
Brady Clark - CF Henry Blanco - C
Dave Bush - P Greg Maddux - P

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i'll be interested to see the lineups and the status of one brady clark. i'd like to see him get a shot here, see if the drop in the lineup and days off give him anything.

and a very welcome return to the brewers - it's been hard to fight my brewers fix after 48 hours of inactivity :)

everyone else sucks

by Griswald on Apr 28, 2006 11:22 AM CDT reply actions  

Unlucky again
It seems we were unlucky last year too, based on the pythagorean model.  Maybe we'll get luckier as the season goes on --- I tend to think that "luck" in this case is in part attributable to not making stupid mistakes and playing smart baseball.  

It's amazing we're 2 games over .500 despite having given up more runs that we've scored (if I read that right).

"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Apr 28, 2006 11:32 AM CDT reply actions  

the real Brewers
According to BP's Adjusted Standings, the Brewers should be 14-8 and leading the Central. Accordingly, they're given a 45% chance of making the playoffs, which jumps to 50% when PECOTA projections are taken into account.

That means that not only are the Brewers getting unlucky, they've not yet maximized their potential for unluckiness.

by battlekow on Apr 28, 2006 11:52 AM CDT reply actions  

Excellent!
More unluckiness to come!  Brewers fever --- catch it!
"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Apr 28, 2006 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well...
I was being playfully pessimistic with that last comment. More likely, the run distribution and production will even out and the Brewers' record will begin to more closely approximate their predicted record.  Those playoff chance predictions should give you some legitimate reasons to smile.

by battlekow on Apr 28, 2006 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Unlucky..
try having 3 of your best players injured (Wood,Prior,Lee) Maddux gets his 5th win. Go Cubs.
"It's a great day for a ball game; let's play two!" -Ernie Banks

by Superman on Apr 28, 2006 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's not necessarily luck
The Cubs are notorious for their mishandling of pitchers.

by battlekow on Apr 28, 2006 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

well...
I sympathize.

A little :).

Though we might have been a bit better off up to this point had Brady Clark been on the shelf. Just sayin'...

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 28, 2006 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol
injuries do work both ways, don't they?
everyone else sucks

by Griswald on Apr 28, 2006 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also...
Hee Seop Choi would look pretty good at first right now, wouldn't he?

by battlekow on Apr 28, 2006 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now that's just mean :)
looks like the Sox might not call up Choi when he's ready, either. That J.T. Snow...

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 28, 2006 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Choi
He wouldn't hit any better than Todd Walker anyways.

by BroadwayJoe22 on Apr 28, 2006 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

anybody see the turnbow segment on pregame?
he talks just like he looks.
everyone else sucks

by Griswald on Apr 28, 2006 1:11 PM CDT reply actions  

So he talks dirty then?
Daron Sutton is blushing furiously.

by battlekow on Apr 28, 2006 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

ha
he's cleaned up a little bit on his face.
everyone else sucks

by Griswald on Apr 28, 2006 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

this is the day the bats come alive
maddux is due for a bad outing. looking sharp so far though.
everyone else sucks

by Griswald on Apr 28, 2006 1:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah
he will bounce back--his BABIP is impossibly low. Let's hope the bounceback is today.

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 28, 2006 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

And another for Lee!
Based on Uecker's tone, I gather Hardy did not score.  It would be nice, though, if he would just SAY IT.

by battlekow on Apr 28, 2006 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he hesitated a bit
thinking maybe the ball would be caught. Else he would've scored.

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 28, 2006 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would never have guessed
Jenkins laying off the first three pitches from Maddux--nobody could've predicted THAT!

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 28, 2006 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow
Hardy draws a walk off Maddux.  Maddux doesn't walk anyone and Hardy hasn't walked at all this year.

by battlekow on Apr 28, 2006 1:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Weeks leading off?
Are you kidding me?  Against Maddux?
"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Apr 28, 2006 1:25 PM CDT reply actions  

true
i would also prefer for rickie not to lead off, but who would be the alternative?
everyone else sucks

by Griswald on Apr 28, 2006 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ned was saying the other day
we don't have a traditional leadoff hitter, even Brady. It's striking just how much we REALLY DON'T have a leadoff hitter.

Partly because everybody strikes out all the time. I wouldn't mind throwing Koskie into the leadoff spot, actually. Not like we want any of these guys running much. Koskie's as much of a leadoff hitter as Gross is.

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 28, 2006 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Traditional leadoff hitter"
You think Ned has a guy like Jose Reyes in mind?  If so, thank god we don't have one.

by battlekow on Apr 28, 2006 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or Juan Pierre
I didn't get the sense Ned was complaining. (To his credit.)

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 28, 2006 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

It really shows
I hope he proves me wrong, but I think you can pencil in Rickie's 0-3 (unless we happen to knock Maddux out earlier), and hope for a hit against a Cub reliever.  C'mon, Rickie, prove me wrong.

Not having a true leadoff guy does hurt.  We're more patient than we've been in the past, but we don't have many guys who'll take a walk.  Ugh.

"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Apr 28, 2006 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

i told ya!
now c'mon prince, how about a...bases clearing double?
everyone else sucks

by Griswald on Apr 28, 2006 1:27 PM CDT reply actions  

wow
prince just looked totally overmatched there.
everyone else sucks

by Griswald on Apr 28, 2006 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or...
a strikeout. Maddux eats young hitters for breakfast. Luckily, Prince would be a pretty filling breakfast, so maybe he'll stop eating our young hitters.

Okay, that's a screwed up metaphor.

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 28, 2006 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

First AB
Bush looks sharp. Hitting corners, throwing strikes...nobody too scary in this lineup, so I'm looking for a solid outing.

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 28, 2006 1:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Todd Walker
coming up in the 3-spot. That really changes the complexion of this lineup. And that's a major understatement.

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 28, 2006 1:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Ramirez double
to lead off the Cubs second. Something about Lee in the field...I don't get the sense guys usually take an extra base off of him, but he's really leisurely getting stuff in the corner.

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 28, 2006 1:43 PM CDT reply actions  

another double
ummm...
"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Apr 28, 2006 1:45 PM CDT reply actions  

well, 2 runs isn't so bad
if you look at it, bush has retired all but three hitters...
everyone else sucks

by Griswald on Apr 28, 2006 1:50 PM CDT reply actions  

I think Maddux saw as many pitches
as the five batters before him. May our pitchers follow his lead. I suppose that inning coulda been worse...I wouldn't have been surprised if Dusty had tried to get Jones in with a sac bunt and a squeeze.

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 28, 2006 1:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Jim Powell...
Is essentially accusing Maddux of throwing a spitter.

by battlekow on Apr 28, 2006 1:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Ugly K
High and inside for strike 3 on Weeks.  Hardy grounds out, though it seems he's seeing the ball well.
"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Apr 28, 2006 1:55 PM CDT reply actions  

yeah...
that foul ball was SO close.

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 28, 2006 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't it though?
Couldn't tell real well from the angle, though it looked like only a couple of feet.
"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Apr 28, 2006 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fielder for breakfast
now Maddux is having Weeks and Hardy for lunch.

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 28, 2006 1:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Jenkins 2 for 2
Tying run at the plate!
"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Apr 28, 2006 1:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Jenkins hit
that's BABIP regressing to the mean, baby :). Didn't hit it well, but some of those are going to fall.

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 28, 2006 1:56 PM CDT reply actions  

crapola
weak grounder for el caballo
"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Apr 28, 2006 1:56 PM CDT reply actions  

something tells me...
we're going to regret not getting any of those runners home in the 1st.
everyone else sucks

by Griswald on Apr 28, 2006 1:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Not saying it's okay...
...but somehow I mind it less when it's Maddux. I mean, he's the kind of guy who's supposed to be able to step it up in situations like that. Bannister? Well, that just sucked.

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 28, 2006 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey look! A double!
How $@#$!#!! novel.
"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Apr 28, 2006 1:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Nice bunt
I'm surprised he stopped at first --- he could have had a bunt double.

Ugh.

"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Apr 28, 2006 2:01 PM CDT reply actions  

yeah...
it never looks pretty when you have a little league-like mistake of who's covering the bag. sheesh...
everyone else sucks

by Griswald on Apr 28, 2006 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

when I was going through '04 retrosheet logs
I found a bunt TRIPLE. I was just scanning event codes so I don't know when it happened...but...wow.

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 28, 2006 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

hmmm
fielders arguing the call while the runner circles the bases?  Up the first base line, it never rolls foul...
"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Apr 28, 2006 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

single, 3-0, 1st and 3rd
Rickie did not throw his glove at the ball, like he should have.

This isn't looking so good.

"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Apr 28, 2006 2:02 PM CDT reply actions  

I try
Rockin' Robin never picks up.
"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Apr 28, 2006 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

that sounds right
even when we do get an out it's ugly.
everyone else sucks

by Griswald on Apr 28, 2006 2:05 PM CDT reply actions  

WILL SOMEBODY CALL IT, PLEASE?!?!
Fielder and Koskie collide on a pop-up, though Fielder holds on.

Say, Milwaukee should try to get a major leasgue team in town someday.  We have the new stadium and everything.

"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Apr 28, 2006 2:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Koskie should know better
when you collide with Prince, you never win.

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 28, 2006 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Someday...
there's going to be a play at the plate with Fielder running.  That collision would be something to see.
"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Apr 28, 2006 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Only 1 run, though
That could have been worse.

Now, if only we can score against Maddux, or work him enough to get to their bullpen....

"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Apr 28, 2006 2:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Strikes out the side
harumph.
"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Apr 28, 2006 2:13 PM CDT reply actions  

actually
prince flied out to left. seems like he struck out the side though.
everyone else sucks

by Griswald on Apr 28, 2006 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was a long strikeout
:)
"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Apr 28, 2006 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh man
maddux is masterful today anyway, and the brewers are making it even easier on him.
everyone else sucks

by Griswald on Apr 28, 2006 2:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Bush rolling...
after a few blips. Too bad it's against Maddux.

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 28, 2006 2:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Hark!
A hit from Weeks?
"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Apr 28, 2006 2:25 PM CDT reply actions  

bases loaded, 1 out
Jenkins up, I think.

We HAVE to score this inning.  

"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Apr 28, 2006 2:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Bases loaded...one out...
...I don't like the fact that I know what to expect...please Geoff, surprise me!

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 28, 2006 2:27 PM CDT reply actions  

WE...MUST....TAKE....ADVANTAGE
i swear to god, if jenkins grounds into a double play...
everyone else sucks

by Griswald on Apr 28, 2006 2:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Time to pull Maddux
(more wishful thinking)
"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Apr 28, 2006 2:28 PM CDT reply actions  

2 ribbies!!!
Way to go Geoff -- he's now 18 for 41 against Maddux...I can't imagine there are many guys with lines like that against him.

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 28, 2006 2:28 PM CDT reply actions  

looked ok to me
but it wasn't all that clear on the telecast, the cameras followed the ball.

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 28, 2006 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah
i guess he is just naturally slow. if weeks would have hit that, we'd be tied.
everyone else sucks

by Griswald on Apr 28, 2006 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

So long .99 ERA
Glad to see the Brewers finally hitting Maddux, unfortunately I'm not watching it.  Damn dots, they give the name no justice.
Nate

by nmc on Apr 28, 2006 2:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Carlos Carlos Carlos
He yapped a bit at a called strike (granted, it looked like a ball from here too), and then grounded into a double play.

Safe to say he's cooled off some from his hot start.

"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Apr 28, 2006 2:30 PM CDT reply actions  

well, there's your DP
okay, that's fine, one-run game, the Cubs bullpen will have to play a role in this eventually.

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 28, 2006 2:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Two, two unfielded bunts
Ha-ha-haaaa.

(That's my impression of the Count from Sesame Street.)

"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Apr 28, 2006 2:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Ronny Cedeno
His only two big league homers are against the Brewers.

by battlekow on Apr 28, 2006 2:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Cubs homer
At least we don't have to worry about Pierre stealing a base.
"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Apr 28, 2006 2:33 PM CDT reply actions  

yuck.
That's depressing. Almost worse than Pierre hitting a homer. So I guess our work will be cut out for us against that high-priced bullpen.

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 28, 2006 2:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Brady 0-3
SHOCKING.....
Personally, I think we got hosed on that one! - Harry Doyle

by reverse24 on Apr 28, 2006 2:53 PM CDT reply actions  

A bad day....
Well, win or lose, a bad day listening to the Brewers at work is better than a good day doing work at work.....
Personally, I think we got hosed on that one! - Harry Doyle

by reverse24 on Apr 28, 2006 2:54 PM CDT reply actions  

2 runners thrown out by Miller
Nice!
"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Apr 28, 2006 2:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Can't say I mind
Maddux out after six innings. Looks like Howry, then Eyre, then the closer if the score doesn't change much.

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 28, 2006 2:59 PM CDT reply actions  

hmm
Rickie overslid the bag?  I'm willing to be patient, but if he's going to be doing willfully stupid things, that will exhaust my patience rather quickly.

by Marty McSuperFly on Apr 28, 2006 3:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Isn't that the second time...
...Rickie slid past the bag this year?
"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Apr 28, 2006 3:05 PM CDT reply actions  

I believe you're right
Personally, I think we got hosed on that one! - Harry Doyle

by reverse24 on Apr 28, 2006 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jim Powell:
"de la Rosa does not have a good move, at all."

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 28, 2006 3:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Just when I was about to say 3 up 3 down
JDLR gives up a little roller to Cedeno...ahhhhh
Personally, I think we got hosed on that one! - Harry Doyle

by reverse24 on Apr 28, 2006 3:13 PM CDT reply actions  

A belch of optimism
If we can get out of this, we're only down 3 with 2 innings to go, and no Maddux to face.  We can still win this.
"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Apr 28, 2006 3:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Seems like a big "IF" right now
JDLR is still wild, 2 on 2 out....
Personally, I think we got hosed on that one! - Harry Doyle

by reverse24 on Apr 28, 2006 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

every time
it seems like DLR can't get out of an inning without a visit from Maddux.

And it seems like there's always a check-swing call that goes against him. Not good patterns.

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 28, 2006 3:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Jim Powell:
"This is what drives Ned Yost crazy."

One might wonder why JDLR keeps getting chances, if that were the case.  There's a colloquial definition of crazy which goes somewhere along the lines of - repeating the same action over and over, and expecting a different result.  I guess that does cover what Ned does by using JDLR.

by Marty McSuperFly on Apr 28, 2006 3:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Drives, or proves?
Does the repeated use of DLR drive Ned crazy, or prove he already is???
Personally, I think we got hosed on that one! - Harry Doyle

by reverse24 on Apr 28, 2006 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

yep
that explains a lot of managerial behavior when dealing with players who have a lot of tools but not a great track record. He looks like he could be phenomenal. You know, when he's not walking the bases loaded.

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 28, 2006 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great!
Lehr is coming in just in time to give up a Grand Slam..... (can you tell I'm an optimist)
Personally, I think we got hosed on that one! - Harry Doyle

by reverse24 on Apr 28, 2006 3:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Okay
I know we're being patient with DLR, he's got a great live arm, you don't give up on lefties with stuff like that...

but...

how many more outings like this can you stand? We've got mediocre lefties stockpiled in AAA, and you gotta figure one of them could manage an inning now and then without two walks.

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 28, 2006 3:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Lehr gets the pop-up
Lehr's been shaky...nice to see him get the out

by Marty McSuperFly on Apr 28, 2006 3:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Forget everything I said.....
.... about Lehr, he's my hero. (for 1/3 of an inning anyway)
Personally, I think we got hosed on that one! - Harry Doyle

by reverse24 on Apr 28, 2006 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lehr is king
We should call him King Lehr!
"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Apr 28, 2006 3:30 PM CDT reply actions  

just one change
King Lehr can't go crazy...he has to drive opposing hitters crazy. More like...Lady MacBeth? I don't know.

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 28, 2006 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

stunned silence...
those last two innings...six strikeouts...I mean, Williamson can be dominating, fine. But, that's just pathetic.

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 28, 2006 3:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Cheer up
The Crew will win the next two games. This was the one I was most worried about, for obvious reasons. Based entirely on a gut feeling, I say Doug Davis throws seven innings and gives up 2 runs tomorrow.

by BroadwayJoe22 on Apr 28, 2006 4:14 PM CDT reply actions  

good call
I hope you're right. I'm sensing the same thing. I really don't believe Davis is nearly as bad as he's been lately, or that he's fading, or anything of the sort. But I'd like proof :).

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 28, 2006 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

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