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PECOTA Projections Are Out

BP released their PECOTA projections (subscriber only) today. Over the next couple days, I'd like to compare some of the more notable/interesting ones with their ZiPS and CHONE counterparts, starting today with the pitchers. You can see how those projection systems stacked up against each other and few others last year here.

Ben Sheets:

Proj ERA RA IP H BB K HR H/9 BB/9 K/9 HR/9
PECOTA 3.36 3.66 177.7 161 30 170 22 8.2 1.5 8.6 1.1
ZiPS 2.88 3.14 172.0 152 24 174 19 8.0 1.3 9.1 1.0
CHONE 3.01 3.25 155.0 139 27 167 16 8.1 1.6 9.7 0.9

Pretty unbefreakingly awesome across the board, but you knew that already.

Star-divide

Chris Capuano:

Proj ERA RA IP H BB K HR H/9 BB/9 K/9 HR/9
PECOTA 4.43 4.77 185.7 193 54 144 27 9.4 2.6 7.0 1.3
ZiPS 4.11 4.50 206.0 207 59 154 28 9.0 2.6 6.7 1.2
CHONE 3.92 4.25 195.0 194 56 163 26 9.0 2.6 7.5 1.2

Dave Bush:

Proj ERA RA IP H BB K HR H/9 BB/9 K/9 HR/9
PECOTA 4.14 4.51 179.7 186 44 128 22 9.3 2.2 6.4 1.1
ZiPS 3.79 4.14 202.0 198 43 146 23 8.8 1.9 6.5 1.0
CHONE 3.68 4.02 197.0 194 42 156 23 8.9 1.9 7.1 1.1

Bush actually projects to be a bit better than Capuano, a result of less walks and a few less home runs allowed. That said, I think Cappy's walk rates are projected a bit high; he made outstanding strides with his control last year (1.9 BB/9 in '06 vs. 3.7 in '04-'05), and even when he was struggling, it was because of hits and home runs, not walks. They'll be a fantastic 2-3 punch behind Sheets next year.

Jeff Suppan:

Proj ERA RA IP H BB K HR H/9 BB/9 K/9 HR/9
PECOTA 4.96 5.38 147.7 166 54 86 20 10.1 3.3 5.2 1.2
ZiPS 4.37 4.78 177.0 191 59 95 23 9.7 3.0 4.8 1.2
CHONE 4.77 5.18 191.0 218 68 111 24 10.3 3.2 5.2 1.1

Oof (hat tip to Al). It's interesting how much worse Suppan's control is than starters #1-3, considering his distinct lack of stuff. I guess that's why we're paying his as a fourth starter. Oh wait.

Claudio Vargas:

Proj ERA RA IP H BB K HR H/9 BB/9 K/9 HR/9
PECOTA 4.86 5.22 128.3 135 44 97 20 9.5 3.1 6.8 1.4
ZiPS 5.03 5.49 154.0 159 53 122 26 9.3 3.1 7.1 1.5
CHONE 4.44 4.82 155.0 160 56 122 24 9.3 3.3 7.1 1.4

Carlos Villanueva:

Proj ERA RA IP H BB K HR H/9 BB/9 K/9 HR/9
PECOTA 4.62 4.97 148.0 145 50 113 25 8.8 3.0 6.9 1.5
ZiPS 4.59 5.04 157.0 159 54 115 25 9.1 3.1 6.6 1.4
CHONE 4.30 4.68 148.0 147 58 119 22 8.9 3.5 7.2 1.3

In addition to having the same initials, Carlos Villanueva and Claudio Vargas also have very similar stats. Though I don't entirely buy Carlos' projections, both pitchers are projected to have significantly better peripherals than Jeff Suppan. Of course, these are just projections, but it's still pretty disappointing. Also disappointing is the fact that, barring injury, neither has a prayer of unseating Suppan for the #4 spot in the rotation.

Zach Jackson:

Proj ERA RA IP H BB K HR H/9 BB/9 K/9 HR/9
ZiPS 5.15 5.66 159 177 62 86 21 10.0 3.5 4.9 1.2
CHONE 4.71 5.10 120 132 50 70 14 9.9 3.7 5.2 1.0

PECOTA, somewhat inexplicably, doesn't have a projection for Zach Jack, but you don't really need a fancy projection system to tell you he's the Brewers' seventh-best starter.

Overall, I think the Brewers look to have a pretty great starting rotation. Suppan might get too many starts considering his performance relative to the two CVs', but it's hard not to be excited about Sheets, Capuano, and Bush. I'll try to write up something similar for the starting lineup and get it posted tomorrow.

Update [2007-1-17 2:12:4 by battlekow]: Forgot to include Yo:

Proj ERA RA IP H BB K HR H/9 BB/9 K/9 HR/9
PECOTA 4.00 4.37 140.7 125 67 134 14 8.0 4.3 8.6 0.9
ZiPS 4.80 5.23 148.0 150 66 111 19 9.1 4.0 6.8 1.2
CHONE 4.45 4.84 106.0 105 58 94 12 8.9 4.9 8.0 1.0

Whoa. PECOTA absolutely loves him, but all of them are pretty damn good, considering he's pitched all of a half season above A-ball. The evidence against the Suppan signing mounts.

I considering posting Ben Hendrickson's numbers but...nah.

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Very cool
I'm going to guess there aren't very many teams in baseball with SEVEN starters whose average projection puts them under 5.00. It'd be nice to get something a little better from Suppan, Carlos V, or Vargas, but this is a heck of a rotation, especially when Sheets is healthy.

by Jeff Sackmann on Jan 16, 2007 7:03 PM CST reply actions  

Agreed.
Seven starters under 5 is great. I have to admit that the Suppan prejectory was not what I expected. I was hoping more for an ERA closer to 4, but hey, these are just projections and I'm sure he could be capable of that. I noticed that Villanueva and Vargas had extremely similar stats and itd be interesting if Carlos outpitched Vargas in spring training. I definitely wouldn't mind him in our rotation.
Every 3 years: 57, 82, 07

by Tim @ Brew Crew Ball on Jan 16, 2007 8:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Formatting
There's probably a FAQ somewhere, but I didn't see one.  How do you insert the tables in your posts?  Those are handy.

by Marty McSuperFly on Jan 16, 2007 8:58 PM CST reply actions  

There isn't a FAQ on this site...
But it works like any other HTML tables, only you have to use the "HTML formatted" option instead of "plain text" or "auto format."

For a how-to on HTML Tables, try this: http://www.w3schools.com/html/html_tables.asp

For a nifty tool I made that converts CSV files into HTML tables, try this: http://www.minorleaguesplits.com/mlnMakerInput.html

by Jeff Sackmann on Jan 16, 2007 9:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Eveland
I am saddened that we had an internal option available, but discarded for pennies on the dollar.  PECOTA has Eveland with a 4.49 ERA--better than Suppan, Vargas and Villanueva.

by Securitizer on Jan 16, 2007 10:31 PM CST reply actions  

even better still...
Chase is one of the hitter-friendliest parks in the majors, so Eveland's projection would probably look better if he were still a Brewer.

Vargas better be good...

by Jeff Sackmann on Jan 16, 2007 11:22 PM CST up reply actions  

This staff
Looks good on paper ... hopefully the starters can mask all of their strikes.  The hitters are going to have to be on their toes with so few walks they hand out (about one ever three innings per the projections).

Every Brewers game is going to be about 2:10 this season.

Nate - I'm so rad!

by nmc on Jan 17, 2007 8:21 AM CST reply actions  

Well, sort of
I'm optimistic about the staff, too, but it's not like we have lights-out pitching.  I think we're one of the only staffs where you can expect a quality start every time out (not that you'll get one, mind you), and hopefully the games where we give up more than 4 or 5 runs will be few and far between.

Still, the only starter I'm counting on to finish the season with an ERA under 4 is Sheeter, and there's no telling if "finish the season" for him means October or June.

On the plus side...since leaving Kansas City, Suppan's numbers have been awesome.  If you can get your #4 starter to put up #2-#3 numbers, you're doing all right.

"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Jan 17, 2007 10:05 AM CST reply actions  

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