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OK after this past season there seems to be some more teams thinking this way. tieing up $10 million for cordero is alot of money. He seemed to breakdown toward the end. Why is wrong with spreading the money around. Signing more middle or past closers,....ie wickman,etc. Then just using the hot guy. i know during the season i wondered why they brought Cordero in when Turnbow went one or two outs in the 8th. I know I know Turnbow might not be the answer. But to me it would help spread around the closing. Plus our middle relief didn't seem to bad. THOUGHTS???

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i don't think
that Ned Yost would run his bullpen like that. he seems to be a pretty strict bullpen role type guy.

by Trent Durrington on Nov 16, 2007 10:04 PM CST reply actions  

seems
That seems like a pretty crazy concept, especially at the end of the bullpen.  It's often hard to define the "hot" guy without overuse.  

Rather the closer you would like to use selectively and allow him to specialize into that spot.

by epo on Nov 17, 2007 2:51 AM CST reply actions  

Sheeter
Should be our closer.  He can't last in the rotation all season, but 70-ish innings in the pen? I think he could do that.
TED IS TO NED WHAT CHENEY IS TO BUSH.

by CATALYST on Nov 17, 2007 4:53 PM CST reply actions  

now that
is something to consider.  Let's consider, then:

This alludes to the Kerry Wood situation more than a little, no?  Wood is a guy with dominant stuff who just seems to throw is arm out of his socket.  He has noticably poor mechanics, is notorious for resisting coaching to improve said mechanics, and was subjected to Dusty Baker's idiocy for a number of years (he very frequently went to 120 pitches in a start, hit 130+ on a number of occasions, and topped out at 141(!)).  This was all at a very young age.  Amazingly, his raw stuff hasn't suffered much, but he himself says that he begins to feel it when he pitches more than 70 pitches at once.  That's a problem.  All of his missed time has been due to serious shoulder/elbow injuries that require surgeries.

Sheets, also blessed with great stuff, has also missed a lot of time in the past three seasons.  Unlike Wood, he was not subjected to insane pitch counts: he topped out at 130, and, from 2002-2004, when he started 34 games per year, very rarely threw 120 pitches.  He did have shoulder surgery in 2005, but since then his injuries have been kind of freakish.  He missed some games when his scar tissue started "popping" -- the time missed was precautionary and it has recurred since.  He had that weird thing where he was dizzy for like three months and couldn't pitch (wtf was that thing again?), there was hamstring tightness that made him miss one start or so this year, and then there was that nerve-sheeth thing in his finger, which just seems strange as hell.  Most of these things are just fluky (or maybe Benny is cursed).  They could happen whether or not he works out of the bullpen, on a limited pitch/inning count.  

We could make the argument that fewer innings/pitches means fewer opportunities for some of these freak things to happen, which is true.  But then again, relievers warm up in different ways than starters -- most notably, they do it more abruptly.  There always the possibility that such a transition would jive with Benny's strange body.  Then again, it may be exactly what it needs.  

Like Wood, the stuff is still there.  Unlike Wood's scenario, it seems that keeping Benny healthy is a matter of luck more than a matter of pitchcount, coaching, and/or mechanics.  

Sheets as closer would not be the worst move ever.  If nothing else, it's interesting, and the Brewers might have the resources (7-8 starting pitcher type guys) and have the needs (no closer) to consider such a move.  Ultimately, I think that if we get lucky with his health, a dominant season from Ben Sheets in the rotation would propel the Crew into the playoffs.  

"Cover your flesh." - Bill Haverchuck

by baumann on Nov 18, 2007 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

If Sheets doesn't
start 30 games, I doubt we make the playoffs.  Next year is our window, and without Sheeter starting, I believe that we close that window ourselves.  Even with the Cubs being run by morons, there is little  possibillity we will be able to keep up with the salary increases in the coming years.  They will bury us.

by Braunstalker on Nov 18, 2007 7:03 PM CST up reply actions  

If we move Sheeter to closer...
We could have him start his warm up in the 4th and have him pitch the 7th, 8th, and 9th... Thus eliminating the need to use Turnblow and saving us having to spend money on an 8th & 9th man...

I know it's a silly thought, but it'd be interesting!

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by CATALYST on Nov 18, 2007 4:07 PM CST reply actions  

Except
You couldn't do it every day so you'd still need other guys. :)
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by TheJay on Nov 18, 2007 5:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Let's teach Estrada
to pitch out of the bullpen.  He already has some weird offspeed knuckleball or something, as evidenced by his throws to 2nd.

by stevie ray Braun on Nov 18, 2007 7:33 PM CST reply actions  

On a serious note...
Think we could make a big for Kerry Wood, then move Villanueva our Closer?
TED IS TO NED WHAT CHENEY IS TO BUSH.

by CATALYST on Nov 18, 2007 10:22 PM CST reply actions  

This would
be putting Wood as a starter.
TED IS TO NED WHAT CHENEY IS TO BUSH.

by CATALYST on Nov 18, 2007 10:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Why make Wood a starter?
Like baumann says above in the comments, Wood himself says he begins to feel it when he throws 70+ pitches. The team's got enough starters that they could make Villanueva the closer now if they wanted to. If they went after Wood, I'm sure it'd be as a bullpen guy and then he's only worth signing if it's a reasonable price.
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by TheJay on Nov 18, 2007 10:35 PM CST up reply actions  

So
If we could get him at a decent price, is he good enough for closer?  He's got the stuff. Think he'd be able to handle the pressure?
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by CATALYST on Nov 18, 2007 11:18 PM CST up reply actions  

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