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All Eric Gagne, All the Time

Tom H fills in some details:

Amazingly, I've heard the deal might be near $10 million, which is more than I thought the Brewers would spend. The key is that the deal is for one year, so if something happens to Gagne, the Brewers wouldn't be committed beyond '08. Don't forget, Melvin offered Francisco Cordero a four-year, $42 million deal before he took $4 million more to sign with Cincinnati.

Haudricourt also points out that we're rapidly approaching a 42-man roster, which is a problem.  It seems increasingly likely that Mench will be non-tendered, and he speculates that Wise might be too.

In Wise's case, I hope not.  I'm not sure I have a better idea, but it seems odd to be spending $3MM+ on guys like Torres and Mota and shying away from spending $1.5MM (maybe as much as $2MM) on Wise.  

If Wise has to go, it will make the Mota deal look worse.  I don't think there's any reason to expect that Mota will be better than Wise next year, and we weren't required to dump Estrada's salary -- we could've just been non-tendering him right now instead of Wise.

Of course, Melvin could have another deal in the works, perhaps with Capuano and a bullpen arm heading somewhere in exchange for a 3B/LF.

One more note regarding Gagne: Rotoworld points out that a good year from Gagne would make him a Type A free agent, so if he does go the Coco route next offseason, we get two draft picks out of the deal.

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Maybe it's too much typing...
but my elbow hurts on the day the Brewers reportedly come to terms with Gagne.

Coincidence?

Weird, but not weird.

by Jeff Sackmann on Dec 8, 2007 5:10 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Wise, Estrada etc.
I agree about the Wise/Mota thing, no reason to non-tender Wise so we can pay Mota 1.5 million more for the same production.  Unless the brain trust thinks that Wise is still screwed up after hitting (don't remember who) in the head last year.

Also I saw on mlbtraderumors that Toronto is close to a one year deal with Paul LoDuca for 3ish million.  I know LoDuca stinks, but does he stink enough to be the difference between that and the 4.25 million (and possibly, depending on playing time, guaranteed 2nd year) that we are giving Jason Kendall? (who also stinks)

by sheeter on Dec 8, 2007 5:21 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

blech
I'm pretty much finished with offseason moves.  Melvin's moves are destroying the holiday season for me.  I'm starting to reconsider the Torres trade, which I liked, simply because I now feel that Huntington is MUCH smarter than Melvin, rather than just a little smarter, and so there must be more to Torres than appears.

by Marty McSuperFly on Dec 8, 2007 7:02 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

nice
Melvin also said he talked today with Salomon Torres, the reliever he acquired Friday from Pittsburgh who said he might retire rather than report to Milwaukee because of concerns of moving three young children or being away from them.

Well, that's spiffy.  Looks like maybe Huntington had the edge in this one, too.

by Marty McSuperFly on Dec 8, 2007 7:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

By default?
So Huntington would have the edge over every other GM in the game?
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by TheJay on Dec 8, 2007 7:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Every other GM?
Every other GM in the game didn't just trade for a guy who had just famously filed a grievance against his own team for negotiating a bad deal for himself.  It was no secret that Torres was a head case, and he had a tough year, and Huntington still managed to get something for him.  That's something.

I initially liked the Torres deal, and told one of the guys I worked with that my only reservation was that Huntington wasn't likely to give up somebody good that cheaply.  That Melvin has now splurged the rest of the budget on Gagne shows that the Brewers have a rough season ahead.

by Marty McSuperFly on Dec 8, 2007 7:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

By saying it's an edge that Torres might retire
It sounded like you were saying Huntington got the edge because Torres would rather retire than play outside Pittsburgh. By that reasoning Huntington would have the edge over every other team in a trade but I probably read it wrong.

I don't necessarily follow how spending the rest of the budget on Gagne makes the upcoming season rough. I think it's too much money to spend on one reliever, sure, but I don't see how it screws up next season.

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by TheJay on Dec 8, 2007 7:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Too much anger, too little time
I intended to say that Huntington got the better of the trade, even though it appeared to be a coup for Melvin, which was something I was nervous about when i first heard of it.  I don't think Huntington had any advantage other than common sense over Melvin.

I'm tired of Melvin's veteran free agent signings.  Last year's signings of Counsell, Graffanino and Suppan have become this year's Kendall and Gagne, and who knows who else.  Maybe Aaron Boone can come in and play 3rd.

by Marty McSuperFly on Dec 8, 2007 8:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Veterans
I'll be snarky and say it's hard to sign free agents that aren't veterans. ;) But anyway, Jeff Cirillo and Damian Miller were the veteran signings before Counsell, Graffanino and Suppan, right?

To me, I guess out of all those guys the Gagne signing seems the most egregious. Ten million is a lot for a guy whose production could probably be matched with the arms we've already got. The other signings make more sense in light of guys like Chris Barnwell and Steve Scarborough being our AAA middle infield depth as well as the starting pitcher injuries in the past. It'd be nice if an average innings-eater didn't cost $11 million per year but you have to pay as much as the dumbest GM. I know you like younger, cheaper guys in the lineup but I'm not entirely sure who is displaced by the moves this offseason (McClung? Aquino? Steve Bray? Someone obvious I'm overlooking?).

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by TheJay on Dec 8, 2007 10:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sabean
is an absolute idiot.  he's going to trade Lincecum for Alexis Rios.  does he think they can compete anytime in the next 5 years?  please rename the team the San Francisco Geriatrics.  

if you trade Lincecum now, you do it for young, blue chip bats to replenish a barren farm, and play for  2011, if you don't choke on Barry Zito's contract by then.  

Sabean: what a nut.

"Cover your flesh." - Bill Haverchuck

by baumann on Dec 8, 2007 11:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thankfully
Aaron Boone signed with the Nats.
Weird, but not weird.

by Jeff Sackmann on Dec 8, 2007 11:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i be you will even be happier...
when they trade billy hall for a player to be named later... :)
Jamie is a Softball Champion!

by Jamie in LA on Dec 8, 2007 8:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Mota/Wise
I may be in the minority here, but I believe Mota will outperform Wise by quite a bit this year.  Mota tends to do quite well in his first year in new surroundings, and unfortunately, I think Wise is done after hitting Pedro Lopez.  I don't so much mind the risk/reward involved in a 1 year deal for Gagne, I prefer it to the 4/42 that was out there for Coco.

by cappad0nna on Dec 8, 2007 7:08 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

like it
I"m agreeing with m3th0ds. I think Wise was done after hitting lopez. He just seemed apprehensive after that. He's got good stuff but it just looked like in the back of his mind he was thinking about hitting him.

I like this gagne deal. If he doesn't work out, we're only in it for one year. If it does, we'll either look elsewhere and we get  something back for gagne. I think we've definately replaced linebrink. We'll have to see what happens with covering up for cordero. I"m just amazed we're talking about the milwaukee Brewers having ALOT of good pitching. When was the last time that happened?????????????????????????????????????

Tim Bring back the chalet,frank charles at the wurlitzer organ, bob betts at the mic, and the barrell man logo!!!!

by storminTAZZ on Dec 8, 2007 7:14 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

sweet
I like this gagne deal. If he doesn't work out, we're only in it for one year.

It matches up with Yost.  I figure we can all take the next year off while the suck burns off, and then come back rejuvenated for 2009!

by Marty McSuperFly on Dec 8, 2007 7:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

09?
I don't know why you're getting all excited about 09...we have a 08 season to play first.  Yes, the Torres deal is a little unfortunate if he decides to retire, but Gagne could be a steal.  We had the money, and we didn't have to give up any players to do it.  He may be $10M, but if he has a great year, we get 2 picks and we're moving on.  If he has a bad year, maybe we try to trade him....then move on.  Good signing Mr. Melvin.  I'm looking forward to 08!!!

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by jimmyb1799 on Dec 8, 2007 7:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think
what he is trying to say (sarcastically) is that not caring about signing Gagne to a one year deal is ok "cuz if he sucks, it won't matter till 2009" (paraphrasing) is silly because we want to win now.  Much like saying that Ned fucking something up next year won't matter because he'll be gone in '09 is silly because we want to win now.

That being said, I like getting Gagne, but I don't know if I like getting Gagne for that much.  I'd be surprised if he has a poor year, though.  Moving back to the NL will help him.

Also, you should just make your "BrewersNation" plug in your signature, it would save a lot of typing.

"Shabbat shalom, motherfuckers" - Ryan Braun

by The Prospector on Dec 8, 2007 7:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

jimmy...
can you please put your website advertisement in your signature? i keep accidentally reading it as if it had something to do with your comments. thanks. :)
Jamie is a Softball Champion!

by Jamie in LA on Dec 8, 2007 8:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Just got back online after a couple days
to find some awesome signings!  As optimistic as I still am about Turnbow, it's nice to see Melvin being proactive in fixing our pen for next year.  Torres is a great deal for us, assuming Torres decides not to retire, and I have enough confidence in Melvin to know he's not blowing $10 million on Gagne unless there's a good chance he will return to form.  I am much more excited to have Gagne next season, especially in a one year deal, than to hold my breath watching Cordero at every away game for the next four years.  Gagne returning to even half the level he was in Los Angeles is worth way more than Cordero any day.  Great moves by Melvin.

We unquestionably have one of the best offenses in the major leagues next year, and its starting to look like we might actually have one of the better pitching staffs too!  With the excess of starters we have, a reasonable trade with someone like Capuano for a decent outfielder could really fill all the gaps.  Next year is going to be exciting.

You heard it here first: Turnbow will win the 2008 NL Cy Young.

by stevie ray Braun on Dec 8, 2007 10:05 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

We could actually package
Cappy, Vargas, and Parra.  Not saying we should, but my oh my we have options a plenty for filling the hole in left, and imo, its not even a big hole.  (ok, I'm pegged.  Gabe Gross fan here.)

by Braunstalker on Dec 8, 2007 10:53 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

nice to know
there's more than one of us!!!

Join the Gabe Gross Fan Club today!

"Cover your flesh." - Bill Haverchuck

by baumann on Dec 8, 2007 11:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess this means
no Fast Eddie Guardado, huh.  Rats.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Dec 9, 2007 12:35 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

why not?
Melvin is just getting started!
Weird, but not weird.

by Jeff Sackmann on Dec 9, 2007 9:23 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It would be awesome
especially around a certain trading deadline.  

"Crazy Dougie is giving away closers!  He's In-saaaane!"

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Dec 9, 2007 10:49 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

when he does i hope...
he shoots a television commercial like the legendary terrible sit 'n sleep ones out here in la.
Jamie is a Softball Champion!

by Jamie in LA on Dec 9, 2007 11:47 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Uh-oh
Much to everyone's surprise, we have some detractors about our recent additions.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Dec 9, 2007 12:41 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

My favorite
"They just aquired Choate in a minor trade sometime in October, so I think that signals Shouse is probably retiring.  The pen is full, Shouse just turned 39, and he was hot and cold last year."

Ignorance is bliss, huh?

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by TheJay on Dec 9, 2007 12:56 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The logical part of my brain tells me
that Torres comments (which apparently Melving hasn't been able to talk him out of yet) has nothing to do with the Gagne signing.  I'm sure they were talking long before that.

But I sort of wonder if the gap between Melvin's offer and Gagne's demand didn't close pretty quickly after Torres threatened to retire.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 9, 2007 9:03 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Or
If the asking price jumped from $8 million to $10 million.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Dec 9, 2007 9:05 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

it just occurred to me...
teams like the Brewers traditionally live in fear of Boras, but we just got a semi-reasonable deal done with him.  That can only be a good sign in terms of inking Prince long-term.

(which isn't to say it'll be cheap, or easy, just that it's possible.)

Weird, but not weird.

by Jeff Sackmann on Dec 9, 2007 9:23 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Bullpen moves
I have to shake my head over the hot pursuit of Eric Gagne.   His name is most definitely going to show up on the Mitchell Report and his arm is hanging on by a thread.  Why the sense of urgency to dramatically overpay for Gagne?!?   I like the additions of Dave Riske and Solomon Torres.   Both could have a big positive impact.   But Gagne?   And another steroid guy in Guillermo Mota?    Yech.  

by cubbiebrewerfan on Dec 9, 2007 10:22 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Joe Crede
Why don't the Brewers make a move to acquire 3rd baseman Joe Crede of the White Sox?   Crede has been given a clean bill of health from his back surgery and is a Gold Glove caliber 3rd baseman with a nice bat.  The White Sox are anxious to move him because he is a free agent after next year and they have Josh Fields waiting in the wings to take over at 3rd base.   Crede would be an outstanding addition for the Brewers and allows Ryan Braun to be moved to LF or CF (I'd put him in CF).  

by cubbiebrewerfan on Dec 9, 2007 10:24 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Nice bat?
Don't let baumann see that comment. Joe Crede is essentially Pedro Feliz, isn't he? Might as well sign Feliz and not give up anyone.

Either way, making an out seven out of ten times at the plate is a weird way to describe a nice bat.

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by TheJay on Dec 9, 2007 10:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No shock here
Kevin Mench has been DFA'd a couple days before he would have been non-tendered anyway.
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by TheJay on Dec 10, 2007 11:08 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

yeap
just saw that myself

by Bigdogg2002 on Dec 10, 2007 11:23 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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