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Bill Hall and why I'm not disappointed me

I think WAY to many people were expecting Bill Hall to be WAY too good.  

His 35 HRs last year were an anomaly.  I was expecting him to hit 25HRs and MAYBE 70 RBIs and thus - he is not that far off his pace.

The Brewers HAD to be thinking that he would be the ONLY real power threat after Prince and thus gave him WAY too much money.

PLUS - He should not be the CF on this team - it should be GWYNN.

Hall should be more like a Caesar Tovar style player. A guy that players every position and does it well.  A super fill-in that can hit!!

The guy still scares me in CF and next to GWYNN looks like he covers as much ground as a turtle.  

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The Brewers HAD to be thinking that he would be the ONLY real power threat after Prince and thus gave him WAY too much money.

How much should they have given him, when guys like Pierre cashed in like they did? There was a discussion about his contract compared to other center fielders not not too long ago. As jacob said there: "3 years/$23.25M for randy winn. there's your replacement level contract. almost 8 million a year for a no-hit CF. Yeah, billy's contract is looking mighty fine. the 5th year option is looking better all the time too."

PLUS - He should not be the CF on this team - it should be GWYNN.

Hall should be more like a Caesar Tovar style player. A guy that players every position and does it well.  A super fill-in that can hit!!

But what if everyone's healthy? Leave Hall's bat on the bench?

by TheJay on May 29, 2007 12:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Disagree
You can't measure defense just by watching it, and it's way too early to look at any defensive metrics, so there's really no proof that Hall is a huge liability out there. And yes, Gwynn Jr. is off to a hot start but he's playing over his head and his OPS is only 27 points better than Hall, who will undoubtedly improve.

Actually, looking back, maybe we should have traded Hall last offseason. A slick-fielding shortstop with 35 bombs would have yielded something nice in return, and then we wouldn't have an outfield log jam. But we didn't know Tony would play this well, and it would've been tough to trade a home-grown fan favorite.

by conan for president on May 29, 2007 12:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Good points . . . . .
You both have good points. Gwynn HITTING is playing over his head but he is much better "D" then Hall.

With Hardy now playing 6 out out of every 7 games, Weeks playing 5 out of 7 and Braun getting time off Hall wold have had plenty of playing time. PLUS he could play in the OF.

Of course he would not be happy.

TheJay - yea -salaries are out of whack but SOMEBODY has to draw the line.   If they gave him that much because they thought he would be a 25 HR 70 RBI guy - that is great but if they thought he was a 35 HR 100 RBI guy . . .. . .

As I said - I'm not disappointed at all with Hall (hmmmmm  new catch phrase - perhaps we should have that night LOL  think he would mind??)

Not Disappointed at all with Hall Night!

by Grinder12000 on May 29, 2007 1:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Salaries
salaries are out of whack but SOMEBODY has to draw the line.

The problem I have with that argument is that one team can't arbitrarily draw a line -- the other 29 will just cross it and grab the player. The teams can't all work together to stop signing free agents or you have collusion again, too. The only way salaries will stop rising will be if teams gradually restrain their spending habits on free agents...but they haven't figured out how to do that for 30 years and with more money coming in, it's not likely to happen in the next 30 either.

by TheJay on May 29, 2007 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

if he hits 25 HR and 70 RBI
he's worth his deal.  How many CF's in the league give you that much power?  He'll probably never be above average at getting jumps and taking good routes to the ball, but he's athletic enough to become an average defensive Cf, and he hustles.  If he can play average defense and hit around .270/25/80 per year, he'll be worth it.

by Dutch on May 29, 2007 1:52 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm disappointed
Last year, Hall hit the ball real hard in most of his at-bats, and we haven't seen that this year.  Instead, Hall routinely grounds out and that speaks to either a change in his approach, or that he's not seeing the ball at all.  If he were getting the same numbers, and hitting a lot of fly ball outs and lineouts, I'd be inclined to think that last year was a huge aberration.  Instead, it appears that he did a lot of tinkering in the offseason with his swing, and his approach at the plate, and it killed his ability to crush the ball.

As Billy's number one fan, I've actually been encouraged by the strikeouts lately.  It tells me that he's giving up on whatever he's been trying to do up there, and relying more on his natural ability to hit the ball.  I hope it comes back soon.

As far numbers.....RBI is a measure of how well your teammates get on base, and doesn't really reflect on the hitter.  I do expect Hall to hit 25 HR a year, though.

by Marty McSuperFly on May 29, 2007 1:59 PM CDT reply actions  

slow
i agree with you on the swing tinkering. i can literally see that he is slower to the ball this season. it's like he is afraid to swing and miss. he has to stop playing defense at the plate, and i think that is something he can and will overcome.

good hitters, or hitters playing above their head don't worry about missing the ball. bad hitters try to just put the ball in play and hope that they get lucky. hall's a better hitter than he is giving himself credit for.

Bring Back The Old Logo!

by jacob on May 29, 2007 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well - his strikeouts
Hall is striking out only a little less then last year and walking MUCH less!!

at this rate he will have 18 less Ks and 20 less walks.

AGAIN - I'm not cutting Billy - just that my expectations are lower.

by Grinder12000 on May 29, 2007 2:47 PM CDT reply actions  

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