Moderation Policy
In the two years and four months since this blog began, the community has grown by leaps and bounds. Now there are nearly 600 registered users and traffic is consistently well over 1,000 visitors per day. Much of that growth has occurred in the last six months.
For that, I thank you. I'm thrilled that the community has become what it has: a place where like-minded Brewers fans can chat about what matters to us. I'm particularly excited by the continuing high level of the discourse here. I don't mean to cast aspersions on other sites, but I'm quite sure there's no other Brewers site with such a relentless focus on the analytic aspect of the game; heck, I haven't seen many blogs for any team with such an intelligent group of contributors.
Unfortunately, popularity and visibility come with a price. I began to discover that last postseason when I first wrote regular columns for The Hardball Times. Some people are jerks, pure and simple. Then, the negativity was confined to personal e-mails. I guess it comes with the turf.
Lately, the same phenomenon ("vitriol," perhaps?) has reared its ugly head on Brew Crew Ball. It's one thing when immature teenagers (and adults who act like teenagers) feel the need to flame me directly; it's yet another when they try to torpedo the quality of discourse for an entire community. If you've been around for the last week or two, you know what I'm talking about. I'm not calling out all fans of opposing teams; just the obnoxious ones who think middle-school-like trash talking is appropriate.
It's not, and I'm not going to stand for it.
From now on, I'm adopting a no-tolerance policy to trolling of any kind. For regulars, I hope the only thing you'll notice is a slightly better experience here--or at least one that doesn't get worse. For interlopers, well...don't troll. It's not welcome, and it'll get your comments deleted and your username (along with anything on the same IP address) banned immediately.
Inevitably, there will be times when reasonable people might disagree about the line between trolling and spirited debate. I recognize that not everyone would draw the line in the same place as I would, but insofar as it applies to how I run this site, I don't give a damn. This is my site. I'm doing it for fun, and I want it to be fun for my guests. That's my foremost priority here, and if you blatantly stand in the way of me achieving that, you're gone.
As I mentioned before, if you're a regular (or a lurker, or a semi-regular, or really anyone who isn't a disruptive jerk), this doesn't apply to you. Since I've started the site, I've only erased a handful of comments, and every one of them was either a blatant troll or, more commonly, a spambot of some sort. I'm not about to start banning people just because they disagree with me.
Thanks for reading. Thanks for making this site such a great place to be. And Cubs fans: Play nice or go home.
Update [2007-7-7 0:32:43 by Jeff]: Hmm, after these two years, I still don't know how the site works. I tried to turn off comments now that the resulting conversation has run its course...and I nuked the whole comment thread! Those of you who commented on this post, please accept my apologies.
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"formerly engbjm06"
Hey! Jeff took down the reading list!
by roguejim on
Jul 6, 2007 1:41 AM CDT
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Jeff doesn't have time to read anymore
by TheJay on
Jul 6, 2007 2:00 AM CDT
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Just for the record...
by shawndgoldman on Jul 5, 2007 9:39 PM CDT 0 recs
I did
by roguejim on
Jul 6, 2007 12:27 AM CDT
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your love of baseball is welcome
by Jeff Sackmann on Jul 5, 2007 10:13 PM CDT 0 recs
Wow.
by tyger1147 on
Jul 5, 2007 10:25 PM CDT
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That poll.....
by BeerCub on
Jul 5, 2007 10:30 PM CDT
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its his BREWER site
by Zel123 on
Jul 5, 2007 10:45 PM CDT
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The word hypocritical didn't come from me....
by BeerCub on
Jul 5, 2007 10:51 PM CDT
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its not bad
Like i said before, this is a brewers site, so why is it bad that we make fun of cubs fans. If you dont want to hear it, then dont read it. Its like when people complain about violence on tv. Change the channel if you dont want to see it.
Fortunately for us, we have Jeff to take out other content that we dont want to bother with.
by Zel123 on
Jul 6, 2007 10:56 AM CDT
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To be fair
It'll be going down in a day or two, as it's about time for a new one. Still, if you want your voice to be heard, there's still time to vote. :)
by roguejim on
Jul 5, 2007 11:59 PM CDT
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As A Cub Fan.....
Granted, there have been a couple of obvious BCB posters who came over here (azweber9 in particular). I don't know much about him, but his postings were regrettable. Before him (or her, who knows?), there were a few others who were talking trash about the Brewers and I did not recognize them as BCB posters, much less say or do anything that would even identify them as Cub fans.
And yes, I made a joke about the graphs here over at BCB. I could not make heads or tails out of them and admitted as much. When I saw my post referenced here, there were snide remarks about crayolas and other niceties. So, it cuts both way.
When you're on top, as the Brewers are, you're going to attract more attention. When you're the Cubs, working on a 99 year rebuilding project, you also get a lot of attention. Get used to it. It takes a sense of humor, a capacity for tolerance, and an ability to know when to hold them and when to fold them. Al runs a good family site. 99.99% of the posters there are good sports and knowledgeable, passionate fans. It is my belief you're making a mistake by assuming all of your recent troubles stem from Cub fans and BCB posters.
Thanks for reading.
by BeerCub on Jul 5, 2007 10:27 PM CDT 0 recs
My explanation
I was the one who linked to the "other BCB's" comments about the game graphs. The reason I thought it was worth a remark was because I figured it would have been easy enough to search win expectancy and leverage index in Google and figure out the gist of the graphs pretty quickly. Of course, that carries with it the assumption that it mattered enough to do that, which is a dangerous assumption. I guess it's just a lesson in what happens when you (I?) assume...
by TheJay on
Jul 6, 2007 12:10 AM CDT
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One more thing
I realize that more attention is paid to teams that are on top. I know that most posters at Bleed Cubbie Blue are smart and passionate about the Cubs and baseball in general. It's just that patience is spread quite thin when threads recently have been polluted by a self-proclaimed Cubs fan saying only various derivations of "Your team is shit!" and disparaging remarks about handicapped people, among others. The guy I'm thinking of was mad that "lame-duck" Cubs fans didn't support him when lovejones72 came over to say exactly what you say about the majority of Cubs posters.
That's what the uproar is about and that's the type of behavior that will get you banned, I'd imagine.
by TheJay on
Jul 6, 2007 12:24 AM CDT
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You were...
You're absolutely right --- you can say whatever you want at Bleed Cubbie Blue about the Brewers, Brew Crew Ball, what have you. When you're on this site, though, anti-Brewer commments, especially obnoxious ones, will get you a quicker hook than Rich Hill.
"Trolling is part of the game"? Well, not anymore, apparently.
Poor wittle insulted, misunderstood Cubbie. Awwww.
Anyway, it sounds like you and Beercub have you own little lovers' quarrel to work out, so why don't you both hit the trail?
by roguejim on
Jul 6, 2007 9:01 AM CDT
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Man
by TheJay on
Jul 6, 2007 10:38 AM CDT
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I say let it stand!
by roguejim on
Jul 6, 2007 12:05 PM CDT
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helpful hint in the interest of clearer writing:
by Zeyes on
Jul 6, 2007 9:14 AM CDT
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There's a key difference here, folks
The Cubs fans (whoever they may be) are coming here and provoking me. It's a key difference.
If you don't like being provoked when you arrive at a rival team's site, by all means stay away.
It is my belief you're making a mistake by assuming all of your recent troubles stem from Cub fans and BCB posters.
I appreciate your opinion, but you are wrong. Most of the troublemakers have admitted (here or elsewhere) that they are Bleed Cubbie Blue posters, and nearly all are Cub fans.
by Jeff Sackmann on Jul 5, 2007 10:34 PM CDT 0 recs
Check With Al First
And yes, it's YOUR site, You can do what you want with it. Doesn't make it right, however.
by BeerCub on
Jul 5, 2007 10:42 PM CDT
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FWIW
What Al does with this information is Al's business: ban him, give him a medal, nothing at all --- that Al's site. Let him do what he wants, and let Jeff do what he wants. I'd be willing to bet that a greater number of people would be happy to lose the trolls than think it's not right.
You want a Brewers/Cubs trashtalking site, start your own blog, and you can run whatever poll you'd like.
by roguejim on
Jul 6, 2007 12:06 AM CDT
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first off
I'm not trying to build some happy world of bipartisanship here. I'm trying to make this site as enjoyable as possible for me and my Brewers fan friends.
Second, this site, while part of a network, is basically independent. Al and I may be (very) loosely affiliated, but we don't work together, nor do I have any interest in working with anyone except for the people I've chosen. If the people who troll here want to be jerks on Al's site, too, that's his luck, or his problem, and has nothing to do with me.
by Jeff Sackmann on
Jul 5, 2007 11:00 PM CDT
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One More Stab At It
by BeerCub on
Jul 5, 2007 11:45 PM CDT
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Is an olive branch really needed?
So no, I don't think Jeff will arbitrarily ban anyone who says they support the Cubs - heck, lovejones72 was posting jocularly in tonight's game thread and it was fine, as far as I know.
by TheJay on
Jul 6, 2007 12:05 AM CDT
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I agree
by roguejim on
Jul 6, 2007 12:51 AM CDT
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nobody's trying to achieve world peace here...
by Zeyes on
Jul 6, 2007 9:19 AM CDT
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Well...
Accurate?
by BeerCub on Jul 5, 2007 11:31 PM CDT 0 recs
Are you saying...
I'm not sure what part you don't understand. This isn't a level playing field: it's a Brewers blog, where Brewers fans come to talk about the game and trash Ned Yost. Along the way, yes, it's within the realm of possibility that something unflattering might be said about the Cubs --- what do you expect, the Cubs are the Brewers' #1 rivals.
If you want to come here and talk Brewers and trash Ned Yost with us, you're more than welcome to.
If you want to come and defend Ned Yost, well, you're on thin ice, but sure, you're welcome.
If you want to come here to piss on the Brewers...well, that's not what this blog is about. If it's interfering with the enjoyment of the blog, I'm all for banning the trolls. Cubs and general baseball fans are more than welcome (hey, we have fans from other teams post all the time), but if you're obnoxious, there's a good chance you'll be banned.
As for the poll, well, if it cheesed off even one Cubs fan, then my work is done. (I've explained elsewhere that it's not meant as an insult to Al or the other BCB, but to the rash of Cubs trolls we've seen round these parts, though if you want to take it as an insult to you or Al personally, I guess I can't stop you.)
As for the rest of your questions, I don't think that's what Jeff said, but whatever.
by roguejim on
Jul 6, 2007 12:25 AM CDT
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and,
I certainly have no interest in reading cubs game threads or polls.
by Jamie in LA on
Jul 6, 2007 2:18 PM CDT
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Jeff
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by grobbins on Jul 5, 2007 11:32 PM CDT 0 recs
thanks Jeff
by Bill on Jul 6, 2007 12:11 AM CDT 0 recs
as my first post on this site
by ilostmy4thfinger on Jul 6, 2007 12:52 AM CDT 0 recs
Thanks Jeff,
Thanks again for a great Brewer Fan Site!
by Aschen on Jul 6, 2007 7:54 AM CDT 0 recs
thanks jeff
by Griswald on Jul 6, 2007 8:05 AM CDT 0 recs
In the end Jeff its your place
"we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone we damn well please."
Well done Sir.
by WSB Chris on Jul 6, 2007 9:42 AM CDT 0 recs
Good job Jeff
You probably have a group that thinks that everyone should have the right to say whatever, whenever, and a group that thinks that you could go further (like filtering cursing).
My take is this people: Just be a contributor and don't drag the rest of us down. I personally like opinions from opposing teams, because they are often more subjective.
I don't mind someone saying that Ryan Braun's .400+ BABIP is unsustainable. Or that the Brewers have trouble winning on the road. Or even the Cubs occasionally have a better Pythagorean.
What I think Jeff is trying to filter is the "You Suxxorz! Cubbies Rulez!" stuff that is meant only to provoke response.
by grant76 on Jul 6, 2007 10:48 AM CDT 0 recs
Jeff
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