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In the two years and four months since this blog began, the community has grown by leaps and bounds.  Now there are nearly 600 registered users and traffic is consistently well over 1,000 visitors per day.  Much of that growth has occurred in the last six months.

For that, I thank you.  I'm thrilled that the community has become what it has: a place where like-minded Brewers fans can chat about what matters to us.  I'm particularly excited by the continuing high level of the discourse here.  I don't mean to cast aspersions on other sites, but I'm quite sure there's no other Brewers site with such a relentless focus on the analytic aspect of the game; heck, I haven't seen many blogs for any team with such an intelligent group of contributors.

Unfortunately, popularity and visibility come with a price.  I began to discover that last postseason when I first wrote regular columns for The Hardball Times.  Some people are jerks, pure and simple.  Then, the negativity was confined to personal e-mails.  I guess it comes with the turf.

Lately, the same phenomenon ("vitriol," perhaps?) has reared its ugly head on Brew Crew Ball.  It's one thing when immature teenagers (and adults who act like teenagers) feel the need to flame me directly; it's yet another when they try to torpedo the quality of discourse for an entire community.  If you've been around for the last week or two, you know what I'm talking about.  I'm not calling out all fans of opposing teams; just the obnoxious ones who think middle-school-like trash talking is appropriate.

It's not, and I'm not going to stand for it.

From now on, I'm adopting a no-tolerance policy to trolling of any kind.  For regulars, I hope the only thing you'll notice is a slightly better experience here--or at least one that doesn't get worse.  For interlopers, well...don't troll.  It's not welcome, and it'll get your comments deleted and your username (along with anything on the same IP address) banned immediately.

Inevitably, there will be times when reasonable people might disagree about the line between trolling and spirited debate.  I recognize that not everyone would draw the line in the same place as I would, but insofar as it applies to how I run this site, I don't give a damn.  This is my site.  I'm doing it for fun, and I want it to be fun for my guests.  That's my foremost priority here, and if you blatantly stand in the way of me achieving that, you're gone.

As I mentioned before, if you're a regular (or a lurker, or a semi-regular, or really anyone who isn't a disruptive jerk), this doesn't apply to you.  Since I've started the site, I've only erased a handful of comments, and every one of them was either a blatant troll or, more commonly, a spambot of some sort.  I'm not about to start banning people just because they disagree with me.  

Thanks for reading.  Thanks for making this site such a great place to be.  And Cubs fans: Play nice or go home.

Update [2007-7-7 0:32:43 by Jeff]: Hmm, after these two years, I still don't know how the site works. I tried to turn off comments now that the resulting conversation has run its course...and I nuked the whole comment thread! Those of you who commented on this post, please accept my apologies.

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Bravo! Thanks, Jeff!
(formerly engbjm06)

by Jamie in LA on Jul 5, 2007 8:55 PM CDT   0 recs

"formerly engbjm06"
Little did we know that engbjm06 was banned for making fun of Jeff's reading list one too many times.  Power corrupts...

Hey!  Jeff took down the reading list!

"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Jul 6, 2007 1:41 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Jeff doesn't have time to read anymore
He's too busy drinking, worrying over what sort of rowdy hijinks we'll all get into next.
Joe Borchard 2007 watch: 187 PA, 56 K, 54 TB

by TheJay on Jul 6, 2007 2:00 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

HAAAAAAAA!
(formerly engbjm06)

by Jamie in LA on Jul 6, 2007 2:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Just for the record...
Some Cubs fans dislike the morons that give Cubs fans a bad name. You folks should check out Another Cubs Blog (www.cubsblog.net). Its an analytical site more in line with the community here and many of the people there don't have much patience for the other denizens of Wrigleyville.

by shawndgoldman on Jul 5, 2007 9:39 PM CDT   0 recs

I did
It's a nice site you have there --- you're right, it's similar in format to what's here.  Speaking only for myself, I have no qualms with the other BCB --- I'd bet 95% of the posters there would be welcome here, though they probably wouldn't appreciate the content.  It's the other 5% that's prompted all the hullabaloo.
"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Jul 6, 2007 12:27 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

your love of baseball is welcome
your trash talking of the Brewers is not.

by Jeff Sackmann on Jul 5, 2007 10:13 PM CDT   0 recs

Wow.
And with that hypocritical, stereotyping poll you have on your front page. Nice.

by tyger1147 on Jul 5, 2007 10:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That poll.....
....I didn't see it until after I wrote my long post. If you want to invite further trouble, by all means keep it up. Keep making fun of Al's use of the word vitriol. If you want Cub fans to "play nice", you've got an unusual way of showing it.

by BeerCub on Jul 5, 2007 10:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

its his BREWER site
he can do whatever he wants. Dont come onto his site and call him hypocritical, that's just sad. Keep up the good work Jeff.
Ned for Prez!! Seriously, he needs a new job.

by Zel123 on Jul 5, 2007 10:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The word hypocritical didn't come from me....
...but perhaps maybe YOu could explain how the poll is a good thing???

by BeerCub on Jul 5, 2007 10:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

its not bad
You are right, you didnt use the word hypocritical, i was replying to the above message.

Like i said before, this is a brewers site, so why is it bad that we make fun of cubs fans.  If you dont want to hear it, then dont read it.  Its like when people complain about violence on tv. Change the channel if you dont want to see it.

Fortunately for us, we have Jeff to take out other content that we dont want to bother with.

Ned for Prez!! Seriously, he needs a new job.

by Zel123 on Jul 6, 2007 10:56 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

To be fair
Jeff didn't write the poll, I did.  And with all of the Cubs trolling (and then whining) on BrewCrewBall over the past two weeks, it seemed appropriate.  (And it still is appropriate --- this isn't an equal opportunity baseball blog, it's a Brewers blog.  Polite, respectful guests of all types are still welcome, but we're going to take potshots at the Cubs as a matter of course.  What kind of Brewers blog would we be if we didn't?)

It'll be going down in a day or two, as it's about time for a new one.  Still, if you want your voice to be heard, there's still time to vote.  :)

"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Jul 5, 2007 11:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

As A Cub Fan.....
....I started reading this site earlier in the year when it became obvious the Brewers were legit. As time goes on, especially lately, it seems that it is assumed here than anyone who trashes the Brewers must a) be a Cub fan and b) post over at Bleed Cubbie Blue. You're likely mistaken on both counts.

Granted, there have been a couple of obvious BCB posters who came over here (azweber9 in particular). I don't know much about him, but his postings were regrettable. Before him (or her, who knows?), there were a few others who were talking trash about the Brewers and I did not recognize them as BCB posters, much less say or do anything that would even identify them as Cub fans.

And yes, I made a joke about the graphs here over at BCB. I could not make heads or tails out of them and admitted as much. When I saw my post referenced here, there were snide remarks about crayolas and other niceties. So, it cuts both way.

When you're on top, as the Brewers are, you're going to attract more attention. When you're the Cubs, working on a 99 year rebuilding project, you also get a lot of attention. Get used to it. It takes a sense of humor, a capacity for tolerance, and an ability to know when to hold them and when to fold them. Al runs a good family site. 99.99% of the posters there are good sports and knowledgeable, passionate fans. It is my belief you're making a mistake by assuming all of your recent troubles stem from Cub fans and BCB posters.

Thanks for reading.

by BeerCub on Jul 5, 2007 10:27 PM CDT   0 recs

My explanation
And yes, I made a joke about the graphs here over at BCB. I could not make heads or tails out of them and admitted as much. When I saw my post referenced here, there were snide remarks about crayolas and other niceties. So, it cuts both way.

I was the one who linked to the "other BCB's" comments about the game graphs. The reason I thought it was worth a remark was because I figured it would have been easy enough to search win expectancy and leverage index in Google and figure out the gist of the graphs pretty quickly. Of course, that carries with it the assumption that it mattered enough to do that, which is a dangerous assumption. I guess it's just a lesson in what happens when you (I?) assume...

Joe Borchard 2007 watch: 187 PA, 56 K, 54 TB

by TheJay on Jul 6, 2007 12:10 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

One more thing
Relating to your last paragraph:

I realize that more attention is paid to teams that are on top. I know that most posters at Bleed Cubbie Blue are smart and passionate about the Cubs and baseball in general. It's just that patience is spread quite thin when threads recently have been polluted by a self-proclaimed Cubs fan saying only various derivations of "Your team is shit!" and disparaging remarks about handicapped people, among others. The guy I'm thinking of was mad that "lame-duck" Cubs fans didn't support him when lovejones72 came over to say exactly what you say about the majority of Cubs posters.

That's what the uproar is about and that's the type of behavior that will get you banned, I'd imagine.

Joe Borchard 2007 watch: 187 PA, 56 K, 54 TB

by TheJay on Jul 6, 2007 12:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You were...
..."I hate the Brewers and their fans," right?  And that we at BCB are a bunch of "punk asses"?  I don't want to get my trolls mixed up.

You're absolutely right --- you can say whatever you want at Bleed Cubbie Blue about the Brewers, Brew Crew Ball, what have you.  When you're on this site, though, anti-Brewer commments, especially obnoxious ones, will get you a quicker hook than Rich Hill.

"Trolling is part of the game"?  Well, not anymore, apparently.

Poor wittle insulted, misunderstood Cubbie.  Awwww.

Anyway, it sounds like you and Beercub have you own little lovers' quarrel to work out, so why don't you both hit the trail?

"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Jul 6, 2007 9:01 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Man
That's a confusing reply once the offending message is deleted.
Joe Borchard 2007 watch: 187 PA, 56 K, 54 TB

by TheJay on Jul 6, 2007 10:38 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I say let it stand!
Make people guess what the original post was.  It'll keep them guessing.
"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Jul 6, 2007 12:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

helpful hint in the interest of clearer writing:
BCB happens to be the abbreviation both for Bleed Cubbie Blue as well as this site.

by Zeyes on Jul 6, 2007 9:14 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

There's a key difference here, folks
This is a BREWERS site.  Not only that, it's MY Brewers site.  I'm not heading over to your hangouts and provoking anybody.

The Cubs fans (whoever they may be) are coming here and provoking me.  It's a key difference.

If you don't like being provoked when you arrive at a rival team's site, by all means stay away.

It is my belief you're making a mistake by assuming all of your recent troubles stem from Cub fans and BCB posters.

I appreciate your opinion, but you are wrong.  Most of the troublemakers have admitted (here or elsewhere) that they are Bleed Cubbie Blue posters, and nearly all are Cub fans.

by Jeff Sackmann on Jul 5, 2007 10:34 PM CDT   0 recs

Check With Al First
Share the offender's IP address, see if they're registered with BCB. It can be done. He won't tolerate it them, either. Otherwise, how can you be sure?

And yes, it's YOUR site, You can do what you want with it. Doesn't make it right, however.

by BeerCub on Jul 5, 2007 10:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

FWIW
Over at the other BCB, a poster called santoswoodenlegs claims to be princefieldersdiet, one of the trolls over here.  

What Al does with this information is Al's business: ban him, give him a medal, nothing at all --- that Al's site.  Let him do what he wants, and let Jeff do what he wants.  I'd be willing to bet that a greater number of people would be happy to lose the trolls than think it's not right.

You want a Brewers/Cubs trashtalking site, start your own blog, and you can run whatever poll you'd like.

"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Jul 6, 2007 12:06 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

first off
i have nothing against ill will.  I'll say nasty things about the cubs and certain of their fans on my site, cubs fans can say whatever they want elsewhere.  I don't bother browsing those sites because, frankly, I don't care what Cubs fans say among themselves.  I don't get the fascination that keeps Cubs fans coming here, either.  

I'm not trying to build some happy world of bipartisanship here.  I'm trying to make this site as enjoyable as possible for me and my Brewers fan friends.

Second, this site, while part of a network, is basically independent.  Al and I may be (very) loosely affiliated, but we don't work together, nor do I have any interest in working with anyone except for the people I've chosen.  If the people who troll here want to be jerks on Al's site, too, that's his luck, or his problem, and has nothing to do with me.

by Jeff Sackmann on Jul 5, 2007 11:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

One More Stab At It
In and amongst all my verbiage, I'm trying to extend an olive branch on behalf of Cub fans. Do you have any interest?

by BeerCub on Jul 5, 2007 11:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Is an olive branch really needed?
To me, the moderation policy means that if you come in and post disparaging remarks repeatedly, you're subject to being banned. If you come in and discuss things in a more mature/rational manner, like your "verbiage," that's fine. I think it's the idiots who began trolling around the Cubs series (hence the blame towards Cubs fans) that this is directed at. If you're not a lifeless, immature jerk willing to rip anyone who doesn't support your caustic comments, then you're welcome to post.

So no, I don't think Jeff will arbitrarily ban anyone who says they support the Cubs - heck, lovejones72 was posting jocularly in tonight's game thread and it was fine, as far as I know.

Joe Borchard 2007 watch: 187 PA, 56 K, 54 TB

by TheJay on Jul 6, 2007 12:05 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree
As far as I know, lovejones72 was the perfect Cubs guest to this Brewers blogparty: he supported his team, but wasn't an ass about it.  
"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Jul 6, 2007 12:51 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

agreed.
(formerly engbjm06)

by Jamie in LA on Jul 6, 2007 2:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

nobody's trying to achieve world peace here...
if you want to complain about the poll, by all means do so - over on Bleed Cubbie Blue. As others have said, this is a Brewers site, and more specifically, it's Jeff's site...if he wants to re-dedicate this place to fan-fiction about the Cubs having a 120-game losing season next year, it's his prerogative as the site owner. Just like whether to allow or disallow a poll making fun of Cubs fans.

by Zeyes on Jul 6, 2007 9:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well...
I want to get this straight. You're reserving the right to ban posters, yet you've got nothing against provoking them with polls that insult them. And while you want them to play nice, you're not all that enthused about them coming over here to begin with. You also have no idea why other baseball fans would want to check out another team's site.

Accurate?

by BeerCub on Jul 5, 2007 11:31 PM CDT   0 recs

Are you saying...
that Jeff cannot ban trolls on his own site, the site that he spent countless hours designing and preparing content for?  How about spambots?  Should Jeff be allowed to ban them?

I'm not sure what part you don't understand.  This isn't a level playing field: it's a Brewers blog, where Brewers fans come to talk about the game and trash Ned Yost.  Along the way, yes, it's within the realm of possibility that something unflattering might be said about the Cubs --- what do you expect, the Cubs are the Brewers' #1 rivals.  

If you want to come here and talk Brewers and trash Ned Yost with us, you're more than welcome to.

If you want to come and defend Ned Yost, well, you're on thin ice, but sure, you're welcome.

If you want to come here to piss on the Brewers...well, that's not what this blog is about.  If it's interfering with the enjoyment of the blog, I'm all for banning the trolls.  Cubs and general baseball fans are more than welcome (hey, we have fans from other teams post all the time), but if you're obnoxious, there's a good chance you'll be banned.

As for the poll, well, if it cheesed off even one Cubs fan, then my work is done.  (I've explained elsewhere that it's not meant as an insult to Al or the other BCB, but to the rash of Cubs trolls we've seen round these parts, though if you want to take it as an insult to you or Al personally, I guess I can't stop you.)

As for the rest of your questions, I don't think that's what Jeff said, but whatever.

"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Jul 6, 2007 12:25 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

and,
...you can make your own poll over at the other bcb, and I guarantee that no one here will care.  I never went to the cubs blog before all this madness happened; and I don't plan on going over there now that this problem has been resolved.  

I certainly have no interest in reading cubs game threads or polls.

(formerly engbjm06)

by Jamie in LA on Jul 6, 2007 2:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Jeff
I really appreciate how you are handling this, as I am not sure I have the same patience, anyway, I was just going to take this time to thank you for running the best brewers blog around, making fun of brooks kieshnick and giving me a brewers dvd
.
With Braun and Gallrado up, is it time for LaPorta to join the team?

by grobbins on Jul 5, 2007 11:32 PM CDT   0 recs

thanks Jeff
this was a much needed stand.  i appreciate it.

by Bill on Jul 6, 2007 12:11 AM CDT   0 recs

as my first post on this site
I would like to say, thanks Jeff!!

by ilostmy4thfinger on Jul 6, 2007 12:52 AM CDT   0 recs

Thanks Jeff,
I just became aware of this site about a month ago and think its great.  I actually discoverd this site because I googled Fire Ned Yost (not surprisingly I fouond some hits) and on the Fire Ned Yost site they had a link to your site.

Thanks again for a great Brewer Fan Site!

Brewers, Brewers keep turning up the heat.. Milwaukee Brewers..

by Aschen on Jul 6, 2007 7:54 AM CDT   0 recs

thanks jeff
like i said in an earlier thread, i'd hate to see this site get ruined by the actions of a few.
YoGanna win with Gallardo on the mound.

by Griswald on Jul 6, 2007 8:05 AM CDT   0 recs

In the end Jeff its your place
and as we say at the WSB

"we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone we damn well please."  

Well done Sir.

Fire Ned, Hire Joe Girardi

by WSB Chris on Jul 6, 2007 9:42 AM CDT   0 recs

Good job Jeff
I know its a fine line between having a lot free speech, and utter chaos.

You probably have a group that thinks that everyone should have the right to say whatever, whenever, and a group that thinks that you could go further (like filtering cursing).

My take is this people:  Just be a contributor and don't drag the rest of us down.  I personally like opinions from opposing teams, because they are often more subjective.  

I don't mind someone saying that Ryan Braun's .400+ BABIP is unsustainable.  Or that the Brewers have trouble winning on the road.  Or even the Cubs occasionally have a better Pythagorean.

What I think Jeff is trying to filter is the "You Suxxorz! Cubbies Rulez!" stuff that is meant only to provoke response.  

by grant76 on Jul 6, 2007 10:48 AM CDT   0 recs

Jeff
Great site!! Its your site, don't let anyone else tell you how to run it. I think its great and thanks for creating it. Thanks again for all your hard work. Go Brewers

by Bigdogg2002 on Jul 6, 2007 12:53 PM CDT   0 recs

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