Game #131: Here Comes The Soup!
by jacob on Aug 28, 2007 6:28 PM CDT
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PrintGame #1 in a slightly important three game series at the friendly confines.
| Brewers | Cubs |
|---|---|
 Jeff Suppan 4.68 K/9 3.14 BB/9 0.77 HR/9 45.5 GB% 20.8 LD% 33.7 FB% 7.4 HR/FB% 4.85 FIP .324 BABIP |
 Rich Hill 8.46 K/9 2.97 BB/9 1.40 HR/9 35.0 GB% 22.2 LD% 42.8 FB% 13.3 HR/FB% 4.49 FIP .271 BABIP |
| Weeks 2b Hart rf Fielder 1b Braun 3b Mench lf Hall cf Estrada c Hardy ss Suppan p |
Soriano lf Theriot ss Lee 1b Ramirez 3b Floyd rf DeRosa 2b Jones cf Kendall c Hill p |
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Bob just said the wind is blowing out
THIS IS IT!!!!
(or what i think the playoffs would feel like)
GO BREW!
TODAY IS THE DAY!
I love how
Hey, nobody pays me any mind here, but I'm always around.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Aug 28, 2007 6:47 PM CDT reply actions
i voted 0.
Wow look at that FB and LD percentage
exellent stuff there Jacob
by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Excellent Game Thread Jacob.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2007 6:52 PM CDT reply actions
how to beat rich hill
In fact, if you'll recall Hill's last start against Milwaukee, it took him 92 pitches to get through three innings. We'll see if the club can still play like that, or if they are pressing too much. Patience today boys, this kid is soft!
The did foul off about a million pitches
by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow I can't believe how fired up I am
Cubs announcers for me today
God, I hope
600 for us, 400 for them. 'Course our will be monumental blasts with no one on base. ;(
by heybatterbatter on Aug 28, 2007 7:09 PM CDT reply actions
I don't know what
yeah no kidding
yikes.
Gee, you don't think Fielder was pressing
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2007 7:14 PM CDT reply actions
He seems to like those
by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions
only 15 homers for Lee
Hill's move to first
all those pitches
these guys
by Brooks Kieschnick on Aug 28, 2007 7:29 PM CDT reply actions
That curve to Estrada...
Dammit.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2007 7:30 PM CDT reply actions
Houston had
C'mon, Crew
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Aug 28, 2007 7:31 PM CDT reply actions
I don't know if you all heard
hey
absolutely
by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Well yall
GO CREW!
by Brooks Kieschnick on Aug 28, 2007 7:40 PM CDT reply actions
im going to assume
The veterans (mench and suppan)
by Crazy Echo on Aug 28, 2007 7:41 PM CDT reply actions
that would make him
by hyattff2003 on Aug 28, 2007 7:45 PM CDT reply actions
1-0, I'll take it
by hyattff2003 on Aug 28, 2007 7:48 PM CDT reply actions
A lot more contact there
ba dum bum
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Aug 28, 2007 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions
wow
Here is what everyone in here was saying
by hyattff2003 on Aug 28, 2007 8:23 PM CDT reply actions
Damnit Princey
by hyattff2003 on Aug 28, 2007 8:24 PM CDT reply actions
whats going on
that run is on mench
So very much like Bush against the Giants
Man they have taken some bad hacks tonight
by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions
seriously
by hyattff2003 on Aug 28, 2007 8:40 PM CDT reply actions
I am also, very very nervous about this inning
by Crazy Echo on Aug 28, 2007 8:42 PM CDT reply actions
Bill looking a bit lazy on that one
Ned should get upset over this
His spot is due up
by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Estrada just looked at the first pitch
by hyattff2003 on Aug 28, 2007 8:50 PM CDT reply actions
even if
ZING!!!
by hyattff2003 on Aug 28, 2007 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Soup
looks like class
by hyattff2003 on Aug 28, 2007 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions
speaking of class
They'll probably get here
Darnit
lmao
Well, this is what I don't get
- He/she has quite a statistical bent and really dislikes what I do. I can't imagine someone like that being that flippant.
- He/she is like the Cubs fans that troll here, a complete idiot that thinks anything statistical, whether useful or useless, is gibberish and feels threatened by it and must post anonymously in some self-important, feel-good way as if that will turn everyone into some Cubbie Care Bear, fall-asleep-in-the-poppies-to-the-strains-of-Kumbaya, love-your-brothers clone.
leave it to cub fans
I liked Uke's line
Well
good job soup
by hyattff2003 on Aug 28, 2007 8:59 PM CDT reply actions
Linebrink in
DAMNIT
by hyattff2003 on Aug 28, 2007 9:03 PM CDT reply actions
What the...
I really *want* to like Linebrink
by stevie ray Braun on Aug 28, 2007 9:06 PM CDT reply actions
um
by keephopealive on Aug 28, 2007 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions
i'd like him better
by keephopealive on Aug 28, 2007 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions
we can not get behind
even
I think Suppan should be allowed to punch
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2007 9:12 PM CDT reply actions
anything else..?
Linebrink has started
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2007 9:14 PM CDT reply actions
time
So Linebrink is the latest in a long line of
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2007 9:15 PM CDT reply actions
What I don't understand is...
by heybatterbatter on Aug 28, 2007 9:16 PM CDT reply actions
I hate to say it
Ya know...
Inman better end up being a AAAA player for all the 'value' we're getting from Linebrink.
man
football
I am not sure if I would hold my breath
by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions
atleast
I'm watching on Gameday
I don't mind bringing in Linebrink
Totally agree
by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Double J
by heybatterbatter on Aug 28, 2007 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Good call by Ned
we will be in third place after tonight
And he takes the fifth...
by MunichBrats on Aug 28, 2007 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I am with your buddies
any word on
by baseballdan1092 on Aug 28, 2007 9:34 PM CDT reply actions
I like Doug
by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
whats wrong with him?
by baseballdan1092 on Aug 28, 2007 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Eh
Well the rotation was looking like a problem
by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions
how?
by baseballdan1092 on Aug 28, 2007 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
His trades have been good
by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
don't forget
by Bill @ Brew Crew Ball on Aug 28, 2007 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions
He's on life support
by MunichBrats on Aug 28, 2007 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
yea
Here's 30-40
- Scherzer, Max AZ P 23 7/27/1984 2008
- Guerra, Deolis NY-N P 18 1/1/1989 2009
- Tabata, Jose NY-A OF 19 8/12/1988 2009
- Inman, Will SD P 20 2/6/1987 2009
- Gonzalez, Gio CHI-A P 21 9/19/1985 2008
- Kennedy, Ian NY-A P 22 12/19/1984 2009
- Cueto, Johnny CIN P 21 2/15/1986 2008
- Niemann, Jeff TB P 24 2/28/1983 2008
- Votto, Joey CIN 1B 23 9/10/1983 2008
- Slowey, Kevin MIN P 23 5/4/1984 2007
- Pelfrey, Mike NY-N P 23 1/14/1984 2007
by MunichBrats on Aug 28, 2007 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
alright, i guess well have
One inning too late
by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Well
But they got a few breaks
by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions
To be honest
No....
by MunichBrats on Aug 28, 2007 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Cubs bench
If that happened
Murton and Blanco?
by cubfan on Aug 29, 2007 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, Blanco for sure
well.....
did you forget?
by baseballdan1092 on Aug 28, 2007 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions
no big deal
NOOOOO COMMENT
by baseballdan1092 on Aug 28, 2007 9:51 PM CDT reply actions
How appropriate
Ah, well
we all have been
Maybe there's a trend there then
Also
What the...
What team have you been watching the past two months?
This is PRECISELY what's happened ... over and over and over again since the break.
by HobokenCrew on Aug 28, 2007 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Fine, then it's happened
I'd kill...
After a while, for this board, who feasts on numbers, would need to say: "That's a negative trend."
And his fault or not, Yost can't push the right button, no matter what button he tries to push.
But to not recognize the seventh inning of tonight's game as a microcosm of the season ... I can't agree with you there.
by HobokenCrew on Aug 28, 2007 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not saying the other 14 times were luck
I personally don't blame Yost for the way he
I do blame him for the fact that this is a team with above average talent that is under .500 5/6 of the way through the season. Maybe they'll right the ship and finish 5-10 games above .500. Maybe that's as good as they are. But I don't believe they're a sub .500 club and right now that's how they're playing...
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2007 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh no...
If we're honest here, it's not just the poorly fielded ball. It's a series of moves that lead to a guy having to make a tough play to get the last out of that inning.
It's leaving Suppan in to hit with Hardy on first and one out in the seventh. If you're going to yank Soup if he allows a runner, why leave him into hit? May as well get a pinch hitter up.
It's taking Suppan out at all. Many have made the argument that taking him out after the Floyd HBP was a mistake as well. Soup seemed to be on his game.
It's IBBing the pinch hitter, Ward, to get to Soriano. Soriano's grounded into eight DPs in 138 ABs this season. Was that a smart move? Now, there's one out with two men on and the top of the order coming up? Is that something you want? And guess what -- Pie, running for Ward, scored.
Regardless, it could be a gork, a flare, a frozen rope, a screamer, a wind-blown double, it doesn't matter. That seventh inning was more of the same ... and it's becoming exhausting to watch and to explain away after.
by HobokenCrew on Aug 28, 2007 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Suppan
Because he's on his game, as you said, and if he sails through the inning you're that much closer to the end.
But then...
And if he isn't on his game, if you're going to yank him as soon as someone gets on base, why do you waste an out in the top of the seventh by having Suppan sacrifice? That doesn't makes sense.
If you're going to pull him at the first sign of trouble -- why have a relief pitcher inherit runners? Why not just have Linebrink start the seventh?
And if you have inherited runners, why not bring in Shouse, who has been lights out with inherited runners?
The more I think about it, the more the four-run seventh makes me angry.
by HobokenCrew on Aug 28, 2007 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmm
If you're general usage is to be brought into jams to retire a lefty and you're a lefty, shouldn't you be by definition good at dealing with inherited runners? I'm a Shouse fan and think he's a decent option, but bringing him in to face a number of righties isn't a great situation for him.
My bad...
See, I can't even think straight any longer.
Anyway, I'd rather us celebrate a win one of these days. That'd be nice.
by HobokenCrew on Aug 28, 2007 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions
But when does a series of blown games
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2007 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Alright
I'm no fan of Yost's bullpen usage in general, but I don't think he's at fault all fourteen times they've blown a 3-0 lead. So, that in mind, would firing Yost at some earlier point in the season have changed the outcome tonight, or last week, or the week before? If not, what do you change in the bullpen? I think Melvin did what he could to upgrade the bullpen at the trade deadline and it hasn't worked out as planned. So, going forward, what's the plan? Try and trade for some veteran reliever that's cleared waivers? Let Seth McClung pitch more innings that have gone to Linebrink, Spurling, et al?
I wouldn't have any trouble with trying McClung
And it's not a repeatable skill. I know it's tempting to statistically analyze those blown games to find some underlying cause that can be attacked by using a different approach. But I don't think it's that simple with this group. These are still human beings after all and hitters can press and pitchers can tighten up when certain game situations come up, particularly when they're similar to those where those same players have recently failed repeatedly. That may not be very satisfying, but it doesn't mean it can't be true.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2007 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Jay...
Like I said in another post, no matter what button Yost pushes, the button doesn't work. Nothing has lately... I have feeling a bullpen of Gossage, Fingers and Eckersley in their collective prime would find a way to shovel a win into the loss column right now.
Has it been bad luck, bad timing, bad play, bad decision making?
It's been a little bit of everything, but it's added up to one game under .500 and third place in the standings.
by HobokenCrew on Aug 28, 2007 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm just frustrated, as I think everyone is
Not at all...
One of many reasons I'm not a GM (my being an idiot is the No. 1 reason...)
by HobokenCrew on Aug 28, 2007 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Disagreeble prick
I believe this should fall after the two "Not at All" comments, and everyone knows that punch line hits on the third.
And that's the point.
That said, this isn't a team that should be a game below .500. There's too much talent here for that. If Ned doesn't get them to play to his potential, which I think is what's happened, then he needs to go.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2007 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions
By the way,
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2007 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions
man
God Damnit
Yeah, I blame Ned for everything tonight
Sarcasm noted.
Unfortunately, Linebrink gave up a couple of runs and then blew his chance to get out of the inning 3-3. But I agree that's not Yost's fault. I don't blame him for not going to Shouse in the 7th either, which would have only resulted in Pinella bringing a righty off the bench. I liked Gross pinch hitting for Hall a lot. I've been looking for him to make that kind of call all year.
I still don't like Yost, but I thought he managed a pretty good game tonight and put his players in position to win, but they didn't get it done. I haven't said that often because I don't really be it's been true most of the season. But I think it was true tonight.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2007 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Slight disagreement
However, what was Supp doing throwing the inside pitch to Floyd, anyway? He'd looked awful on two off-speed pitches. You've got to try that pitch again...out of the strike zone away to get him to chase. Awful pitch selection there. Maybe Floyd ends up getting a hit, but you can't lose him with a HBP after having him 0-2 and then 1-2.
by raisin @ Brew Crew Ball on Aug 29, 2007 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions
It sounds like that will take you
i just can't understand yost's comments though
if hard effort doesn't = results, then what's the point?
Nearly a month ago now...
Got to say my main concern is quickly becoming how this season might carry over to the next. It happens, in sports, though it's not quantifiable and amenable to statistical analysis, and thus many baseball fans don't like to talk about it. The best players on this team are really just kids. Someone's got to get their minds right before next April, and I'm not so sure that a guy who admits he doesn't know what to say to them is the guy for that job.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2007 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions
i know he's older...
we have now
I think
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