What next?
OK. Lets assume for a moment that I am wrong and Nedley Yost gets ash-canned. Who are likely candidates to be next manager? Is Paul Molitor interested and truly qualified? Ditto Robin Yount? I'll throw out a name that I think should be seriously considered. Alan Trammell, former Tigers manager and current Cubs coach. He is a sharp cookie. I hope to dear God the Brewers don't have interest in Joe Girardi, who I happen to believe is way overrated and a horse's ass.
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how about joe torre?
We all know that he has taken the young talent of the yanks and made them great. Of course he has had much more talent, but if he's available, I say sign him for a couple years.
Here are some young guys he started with: alfonso soriano, Jeter, Robinson Cano, and Posada
by Zel123 on Aug 29, 2007 11:32 AM CDT 0 recs
Torre is retiring after 2007
by cubbiebrewerfan on
Aug 29, 2007 11:38 AM CDT
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I'd be curious
Not, say, a back-up catcher, who's only known in the town he played.
by CATALYST on Aug 29, 2007 2:45 PM CDT 0 recs
I'm sorry, but
Oh, and ditto for Molitor.
If they can Ned, and I think that's a huge if, the first thing Melvin will (should) do is forget all about '82. The roster is good enough and young enough that the job is more attractive now than it was when the choice was Ned. The pool should be deep enough that we don't have to play off some dated sense of loyalty in order to talk a name into coming here. Particularly one that's unproven as a big league manager.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on
Aug 29, 2007 6:27 PM CDT
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Candidates ???.
Robin Yount
Forest Gregg
Ken Macha
Joe Giradi
Bart Starr
Bob Brenly
Alan Trammell
Lindy Infante
Gene Lamont
by cubbiebrewerfan on Aug 29, 2007 3:18 PM CDT 0 recs
candidates
IF IF, and that's a big IF yost gets fired. which i doubt will happen. I'd say Kremblas has been groomed for a job. Svuem has to be considered.
Most managers are only as good as there players. How did Lou Piniella do in Tampa Bay? How good a manager was Joe Torre BEFORE he got a unlimited payroll? He's not much better now.
Didn't brooks Kieschnick skipper a little league team ? He has to be considered.
by storminTAZZ on Aug 29, 2007 3:34 PM CDT 0 recs
Excuse me?
by stevie ray Braun on
Aug 29, 2007 7:23 PM CDT
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I agree with the sentiments displayed below
by hyattff2003 on
Aug 30, 2007 10:36 AM CDT
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Shades of Gray, Gentlemen.
That broke my heart at the time, but it didn't keep me from being a Molitor fan. What bothered me a bit more was his periodic flirtation with returning to the Brewers in some capacity after his retirement, only to leave them at the altar repeatedly at which point he'd publicly express his disappointment not to be going back to Milwaukee. After a while, it didn't have the remotest ring of truth. And that's fine. He doesn't really owe the Brewers anything. I just wish he didn't act like he did and then blow them off.
His decision to go into the Hall as a Brewer and to wear a Brewer hat during the greatest players celebration a few years ago were nice gestures though.
But he's not a manager. Every time a job opening crops up in Milwaukee people mention Yount and Molitor. Neither has shown any interest in committing to the organization long term, and frankly, neither has done much of anything to prove they're viable ML managers anyway. The best thing for the organization is to turn the page and bring in someone with no connection to '82. Bring the old players back for ceremonies or visits, by all means. But don't pretend they're quality management people just because they have ties to 82.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on
Aug 29, 2007 10:26 PM CDT
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By the way,
I don't think the organization went out of their way to make him out as the bad guy. I think most people who got there, got there on their own because he signed with the Jays: the team we were regularly outplaying late in 92, but couldn't catch because of our slower start that year. Molitor's departure (and Bosio/Eldred coming back to earth) took us from being a World Series quality team to a below average one in a single offseason. Those who still demonize Molitor for his departure do so, I suspect, because the 92 offseason was perceived as the moment when our small-market status began to hold us back from putting the best team we could on the field. It was a moment that many had feared since the late 80's, and it seemed to become reality at last when Molitor left. That may not be entirely accurate, given the Brewers last minute contract offer to Molitor, but it felt to many like we didn't have a chance to match the Jays money (though it's hard to thing of them as a deep pocket franchise these days, they were in the Sky Dome's heyday before local TV contracts ballooned for the east coast teams). Perception became reality to many, and the bitterness settled in and deepened when the downturn in 1993 became more than a decade of terrible baseball.
So Molly took some heat that maybe he didn't totally deserve. But he did leave the Brewers for their arch-rival at the time, and that's always hard to take. It was a good business decision for him, regardless of the Brewers attempts to match the Jays offer at the last minute. Fans are motivated by love, not business, and it's hard to blame them when they realize, in that era for perhaps the first time, that their heroes are motivated by business only. It's true that Molitor never ripped the organization, but honestly, why would he? He wasn't desperate to stay in Milwaukee in the winter of 1993. He'd made that clear. He went to the place that seemed to want him more and that paid him more because it was good business. Why should he be bitter about that?
Baseball broke my heart in the 90's, as it did for many fans. But for me and many other Brewer fans, my heart broke when Molitor left in 92, not when the Series was cancelled a few years later. My lingering resentment towards Molitor (and yeah, I have some) simmers at a low level. I don't blame him for leaving really. I blamed baseball for not adopting an economic system, as other sports were doing, in which smaller market teams could compete dollar for dollar. I blamed baseball for not having the level playing field it had when I was a kid in the 70's and early 80's. I still blame baseball for that. Unfair as it might be, Molitor's departure became the symbol of that inequity for me and many other fans. I think those that booed him so passionately that summer day in 93 were really booing they reality they knew had arrived, and Molitor just gave them a target to direct it towards.
But I couldn't boo him. I just stood up so I could see him walk to the plate while people screamed, shouted and catcalled around me. I folded my arms. I watched him step in. I watched that sweet swing. I watched my boyhood hero wearing a Jays jersey in County Stadium.
And I didn't say anything.
Ah baseball. You broke my heart.
You broke my heart.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on
Aug 29, 2007 10:51 PM CDT
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very well said and moving
by Michael M on
Aug 29, 2007 11:30 PM CDT
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Next level...
They need a hard ass who isn't going to take crap from anyone.
I realize that I just said a lot about getting a manager with winning experienc, like a Bob Brenly type , but I wouldn't mind Steve Stone either. By far the best baseball analyst in recent baseball history. At least in my opinion.
by Zel123 on Aug 29, 2007 4:02 PM CDT 0 recs
just because
Hold that thought
It sounds like you are angling for a Buck Showalter type. a guy who gets teams to the playoffs, and is a hard-ass
by hyattff2003 on
Aug 29, 2007 4:36 PM CDT
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Then
by CATALYST on
Aug 29, 2007 4:50 PM CDT
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he said good analyst
by hyattff2003 on
Aug 30, 2007 10:37 AM CDT
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True to the good analyst comment but...
All Im saying is Stone seems to really know all the ins an outs of baseball.
by Zel123 on
Aug 29, 2007 4:57 PM CDT
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along this line of thought
by hyattff2003 on
Aug 30, 2007 10:40 AM CDT
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bring in davey johnson!
by Michael M on Aug 29, 2007 10:41 PM CDT 0 recs
whoa....
by grobbins on Aug 29, 2007 11:38 PM CDT 0 recs
No...
by Zel123 on
Aug 29, 2007 11:41 PM CDT
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durint the Astros game
by ESK on
Aug 31, 2007 4:37 PM CDT
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What about Cito Gaston?
by hyattff2003 on Aug 30, 2007 10:41 AM CDT 0 recs
Let's not give up on 1982
by roguejim on Aug 30, 2007 10:44 AM CDT 0 recs
BUT
by CATALYST on
Aug 30, 2007 12:22 PM CDT
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Put me down for Ted Simmons, too.
really seemed to know what his stuff; meaning he wouldnt need to read a bunch of books about baseball in the off season...
by Jamie in LA on
Aug 30, 2007 12:23 PM CDT
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Orel Hershiser
by cubbiebrewerfan on Aug 30, 2007 10:42 PM CDT 0 recs
O-rel?
by roguejim on
Aug 31, 2007 7:40 AM CDT
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I like that
by ESK on
Aug 31, 2007 4:05 PM CDT
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Why does everyone love Kremblas?
He's had a very impressive minor league resume, but that seems to be all he has, and he's done it with some very very good talent.
He could turn out to be a baseball genius, but i haven't seen much evidence to prove it yet.
by Zel123 on
Aug 31, 2007 4:19 PM CDT
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i like him
by ESK on
Aug 31, 2007 4:37 PM CDT
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can we just hire davey johnson already!
by Michael M on Aug 31, 2007 11:51 PM CDT 0 recs
Nah, nah
I mean, c'mon, he was one of only two guys in major league history to have the nickname "Death to Flying Things." I'm sure they could prop his skeleton up in the dugout before the game in a Yostish pose and no one would be able to tell the difference.
by TheJay on
Sep 1, 2007 12:33 AM CDT
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