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OK.  Lets assume for a moment that I am wrong and Nedley Yost gets ash-canned.  Who are likely candidates to be next manager?  Is Paul Molitor interested and truly qualified?  Ditto Robin Yount?  I'll throw out a name that I think should be seriously considered.  Alan Trammell, former Tigers manager and current Cubs coach.  He is a sharp cookie.  I hope to dear God the Brewers don't have interest in Joe Girardi, who I happen to believe is way overrated and a horse's ass.  

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how about joe torre?
sure he's old as hell and sure he's already managing, but if the yanks miss the playoffs ive heard rumors of his demise.  So maybe we can bring him back to where he played, with his bro no less in 1960.

We all know that he has taken the young talent of the yanks and made them great.  Of course he has had much more talent, but if he's available, I say sign him for a couple years.

Here are some young guys he started with: alfonso soriano, Jeter, Robinson Cano, and Posada

by Zel123 on Aug 29, 2007 11:32 AM CDT   0 recs

Torre is retiring after 2007
George Steinbrenner and Torre agreed at the beginning of this season that 2007 would be his last in the dugout.  Torre is going to stay on the Yankees payroll as "special consultant."  Don Mattingly is widely speculated to be the next manager.  

by cubbiebrewerfan on Aug 29, 2007 11:38 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'd be curious
about Robin... At least it's a guy who the players would respect and listen to...

Not, say, a back-up catcher, who's only known in the town he played.

Hey Ned! Ever heard of small ball? Or are your balls too small?

by CATALYST on Aug 29, 2007 2:45 PM CDT   0 recs

I'm sorry, but
screw Robin Yount.  Even if you could talk him into it (and you'd have to beg), he'd show up for a year, get bored or distracted half way through the season, then not come back the next year.  He was a great player.  He may have been an OK bench coach, and he might one day, if he can stay focused on it long enough, turn out to be a decent manager, but for christ's sake, the guy can't commit beyond a year to anything since he retired.  I don't want a manager who's a lame duck the day he shows up.

Oh, and ditto for Molitor.

If they can Ned, and I think that's a huge if, the first thing Melvin will (should) do is forget all about '82.  The roster is good enough and young enough that the job is more attractive now than it was when the choice was Ned.  The pool should be deep enough that we don't have to play off some dated sense of loyalty in order to talk a name into coming here.  Particularly one that's unproven as a big league manager.  

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 29, 2007 6:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Candidates ???.
Paul Molitor
Robin Yount
Forest Gregg
Ken Macha
Joe Giradi
Bart Starr
Bob Brenly
Alan Trammell
Lindy Infante
Gene Lamont

by cubbiebrewerfan on Aug 29, 2007 3:18 PM CDT   0 recs

candidates
could we please drop the molitor, yount thing. If they haven't been managers yet they won't now. I don't think molitor has such a soft spot for the brewers since he went where ever the $$$ was.

IF IF, and that's a big IF yost gets fired. which i doubt will happen. I'd say Kremblas has been groomed for a job. Svuem has to be considered.

Most managers are only as good as there players. How did Lou Piniella do in Tampa Bay? How good a manager was Joe Torre BEFORE he got a unlimited payroll? He's not much better now.

Didn't brooks Kieschnick skipper a little league team ? He has to be considered.

Tim Bring back the chalet,frank charles at the wurlitzer organ, bob betts at the mic, and the barrell man logo!!!!

by storminTAZZ on Aug 29, 2007 3:34 PM CDT   0 recs

Excuse me?
Don't insult Molitor.  He got screwed over royally by Brewers management in 1992 when they lowballed his contract and then made him out as a bad guy for leaving, and even then he never badmouthed the team.  It's not as if he wanted to leave, loyalty is one thing but nobody plays for pennies. Molitor has class, don't imply he's a sellout.

by stevie ray Braun on Aug 29, 2007 7:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree with the sentiments displayed below
and I regret refering to him as Paul MolTraitor when I was 11.  I do remember being in tears when he left, and felt so good for him when he won the ring in '93
Ryan Braun is the Ed Hochuli of Third Basemen

by hyattff2003 on Aug 30, 2007 10:36 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Shades of Gray, Gentlemen.
They low-balled him in that negotiation at first.  Shortly before he signed with Toronto, they literally threw cash at him, and he went anyway.  I don't doubt he was miffed by the fact that they waited until the last minute to step up, but step up they did.  Molitor was my favorite player for over a decade as I grew up.  In the end, he opted to go to the Jays for only a small amount of cash beyond what the Brewers offered.

That broke my heart at the time, but it didn't keep me from being a Molitor fan.  What bothered me a bit more was his periodic flirtation with returning to the Brewers in some capacity after his retirement, only to leave them at the altar repeatedly at which point he'd publicly express his disappointment not to be going back to Milwaukee.  After a while, it didn't have the remotest ring of truth.  And that's fine.  He doesn't really owe the Brewers anything.  I just wish he didn't act like he did and then blow them off.

His decision to go into the Hall as a Brewer and to wear a Brewer hat during the greatest players celebration a few years ago were nice gestures though.

But he's not a manager.  Every time a job opening crops up in Milwaukee people mention Yount and Molitor.  Neither has shown any interest in committing to the organization long term, and frankly, neither has done much of anything to prove they're viable ML managers anyway.  The best thing for the organization is to turn the page and bring in someone with no connection to '82.  Bring the old players back for ceremonies or visits, by all means.  But don't pretend they're quality management people just because they have ties to 82.  

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 29, 2007 10:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

By the way,
I was in County Stadium for Molitor's first return to Milwaukee after he signed with the Jays in 1993.  I watched the fans boo him mercilessly when came up for his first at bat, but by his last at bat in that game the cheers were louder than the boos.

I don't think the organization went out of their way to make him out as the bad guy.  I think most people who got there, got there on their own because he signed with the Jays: the team we were regularly outplaying late in 92, but couldn't catch because of our slower start that year.  Molitor's departure (and Bosio/Eldred coming back to earth) took us from being a World Series quality team to a below average one in a single offseason.  Those who still demonize Molitor for his departure do so, I suspect, because the 92 offseason was perceived as the moment when our small-market status began to hold us back from putting the best team we could on the field.  It was a moment that many had feared since the late 80's, and it seemed to become reality at last when Molitor left.  That may not be entirely accurate, given the Brewers last minute contract offer to Molitor, but it felt to many like we didn't have a chance to match the Jays money (though it's hard to thing of them as a deep pocket franchise these days, they were in the Sky Dome's heyday before local TV contracts ballooned for the east coast teams).  Perception became reality to many, and the bitterness settled in and deepened when the downturn in 1993 became more than a decade of terrible baseball.

So Molly took some heat that maybe he didn't totally deserve.  But he did leave the Brewers for their arch-rival at the time, and that's always hard to take.  It was a good business decision for him, regardless of the Brewers attempts to match the Jays offer at the last minute.  Fans are motivated by love, not business, and it's hard to blame them when they realize, in that era for perhaps the first time, that their heroes are motivated by business only.  It's true that Molitor never ripped the organization, but honestly, why would he?  He wasn't desperate to stay in Milwaukee in the winter of 1993.  He'd made that clear.  He went to the place that seemed to want him more and that paid him more because it was good business.  Why should he be bitter about that?

Baseball broke my heart in the 90's, as it did for many fans.  But for me and many other Brewer fans, my heart broke when Molitor left in 92, not when the Series was cancelled a few years later.  My lingering resentment towards Molitor (and yeah, I have some) simmers at a low level.  I don't blame him for leaving really.  I blamed baseball for not adopting an economic system, as other sports were doing, in which smaller market teams could compete dollar for dollar.  I blamed baseball for not having the level playing field it had when I was a kid in the 70's and early 80's.  I still blame baseball for that.  Unfair as it might be, Molitor's departure became the symbol of that inequity for me and many other fans.  I think those that booed him so passionately that summer day in 93 were really booing they reality they knew had arrived, and Molitor just gave them a target to direct it towards.

But I couldn't boo him.  I just stood up so I could see him walk to the plate while people screamed, shouted and catcalled around me.  I folded my arms.  I watched him step in.  I watched that sweet swing.  I watched my boyhood hero wearing a Jays jersey in County Stadium.  

And I didn't say anything.

Ah baseball.  You broke my heart.

You broke my heart.    

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 29, 2007 10:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

very well said and moving
"You can't explain it. That's why it's a game." -Ned Yost

by Michael M on Aug 29, 2007 11:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Next level...
I think the manager that they hire must have winning experience under his belt.  They need a guy to take them to the next level and Ned doesn't seem to be the answer.  They need a guy who has won on the professional level before.  No Kremblas, no Yount, and no Molitor.

They need a hard ass who isn't going to take crap from anyone.

I realize that I just said a lot about getting a manager with winning experienc, like a Bob Brenly type , but I wouldn't mind Steve Stone either. By far the best baseball analyst in recent baseball history. At least in my opinion.

by Zel123 on Aug 29, 2007 4:02 PM CDT   0 recs

just because
someone is a good analyst, it does not mean they'd be a good manager.  For instance, I would not want Harold Reynolds managing my team... well actually...

Hold that thought

It sounds like you are angling for a Buck Showalter type.  a guy who gets teams to the playoffs, and is a hard-ass

Ryan Braun is the Ed Hochuli of Third Basemen

by hyattff2003 on Aug 29, 2007 4:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Then
Joe Morgan?
Hey Ned! Ever heard of small ball? Or are your balls too small?

by CATALYST on Aug 29, 2007 4:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

he said good analyst
Ryan Braun is the Ed Hochuli of Third Basemen

by hyattff2003 on Aug 30, 2007 10:37 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

True to the good analyst comment but...
just cause you are in the hall of fame or was an awesome player does not make you a great manager, yount, molitor.  Or how can anyone forget the great Rod Carew, he was a great hitting coach.

All Im saying is Stone seems to really know all the ins an outs of baseball.

by Zel123 on Aug 29, 2007 4:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

along this line of thought
didn't larry dierker have some success (he also had Biggio and Bagwell)?
Ryan Braun is the Ed Hochuli of Third Basemen

by hyattff2003 on Aug 30, 2007 10:40 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

bring in davey johnson!
"You can't explain it. That's why it's a game." -Ned Yost

by Michael M on Aug 29, 2007 10:41 PM CDT   0 recs

whoa....
is no one gonna discuss stealing cecil cooper from the Astros
With Braun and Gallardo up, is it time for LaPorta to join the team?

by grobbins on Aug 29, 2007 11:38 PM CDT   0 recs

No...
I think Ted Simmons Speed camp summed it up pretty well above on not having a 1982 player as a manager.

by Zel123 on Aug 29, 2007 11:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

durint the Astros game
the Cubs booth seemed to have gotten the impression Cooper would be retained.
I have seen the coming of the Lord. Savior, thy name is Gallardo.

by ESK on Aug 31, 2007 4:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What about Cito Gaston?
Ryan Braun is the Ed Hochuli of Third Basemen

by hyattff2003 on Aug 30, 2007 10:41 AM CDT   0 recs

Let's not give up on 1982
I think the problem is that we have the backup catcher as manager.  Someone call Ted Simmons.  I think he's with the Padres now.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Aug 30, 2007 10:44 AM CDT   0 recs

BUT
He's just a scout.
Hey Ned! Ever heard of small ball? Or are your balls too small?

by CATALYST on Aug 30, 2007 12:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Put me down for Ted Simmons, too.
i dont know what it was about hearing him for an inning with bill and boring brian, but he was awesome.

really seemed to know what his stuff; meaning he wouldnt need to read a bunch of books about baseball in the off season...

by Jamie in LA on Aug 30, 2007 12:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Orel Hershiser
A masterful pitching coach while in Texas.  Very smart, very articulate and well respected.  A perfect fit for Milwaukee.  

by cubbiebrewerfan on Aug 30, 2007 10:42 PM CDT   0 recs

O-rel?
Is that Superman's father?
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Aug 31, 2007 7:40 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I like that
He was also a finalist for the Texas job so you know he is interested in managing.  That is the best idea I have heard in a long time.  I would also politely ask him to have Kremblas as his bench coach.
I have seen the coming of the Lord. Savior, thy name is Gallardo.

by ESK on Aug 31, 2007 4:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Why does everyone love Kremblas?
Here's a guy that's never held a coaching position in MLB.  He's done very well in the minors, but look at the talent he's had. He's had JJ,Weeks, Prince, Braun, Gallardo, Corey hart, Parra (for a little bit) and Villy.  Not to mention a bunch of career minor leaguers who have also been pretty good.

He's had a very impressive minor league resume, but that seems to be all he has, and he's done it with some very very good talent.  

He could turn out to be a baseball genius, but i haven't seen much evidence to prove it yet.

by Zel123 on Aug 31, 2007 4:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i like him
because he has had all of those guys, brought them up through the organization, and they all love him.  It's nice to have a guy you can trust, and who many of them give a lot of credit to for their successes.  When a guy is with you for a few years at the beginning of your career, he's someone who has earned respect.
I have seen the coming of the Lord. Savior, thy name is Gallardo.

by ESK on Aug 31, 2007 4:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

can we just hire davey johnson already!
sorry but i can't get over it. anyone but yost!
"The ship feels like it's sinking, but our guys are in the boat, pushing the water out." -Ned Yost on going down with the ship.

by Michael M on Aug 31, 2007 11:51 PM CDT   0 recs

Nah, nah
Let's bring back the first manager in Milwaukee major league history: Jack Chapman.

I mean, c'mon, he was one of only two guys in major league history to have the nickname "Death to Flying Things." I'm sure they could prop his skeleton up in the dugout before the game in a Yostish pose and no one would be able to tell the difference.

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by TheJay on Sep 1, 2007 12:33 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

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