Bobby Cox declares Yost manager of the year

by stevie ray Braun on Sep 6, 2007 5:02 PM CDT

Article here on mlb.com.

"Ned is going to get my vote for manager of the year," said Cox. "What he's done over there is unbelievable. He's got one of the best pitchers in baseball [Sheets] and he hasn't pitched all year hardly. Then you have Capuano -- it's up to [18 appearances] now that he hasn't won.

"To me, it looks like he's done the impossible to be where he is. When you win, everybody expects more and more. You've got to reflect back and see what you started with."

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foolishness

Sheets has pitched 131 innings this year. It's not a full season, but it's not "hardly."

by Marty McSuperFly on Sep 6, 2007 5:05 PM CDT reply actions

Enh, go figure

A guy who's friends with Ned Yost and will get props for being his mentor and whatnot is trying to talk him up. If they do finished above the Marlins I think Manny Acta of the Nationals should win it in a shocker.

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by TheJay on Sep 6, 2007 5:16 PM CDT reply actions

Wait a minute.

Ned should get manager of the year because a previously productive pitcher (Capuano) has self-destructed on Ned's watch? If getting less than you should out of your #2 pitcher qualifies you for manager of the year, there's a lot of high quality managers running around out there. Loyalty to a friend is admirable, stupidity isn't.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 6, 2007 5:24 PM CDT reply actions

I was thinking the exact same thing.

by Zel123 on Sep 6, 2007 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions

Bobby Cox declared legally insane?

I expect that to show up in the headlines of CNN soon.

Should be.. Brewers could go to the play offs in spite of Yosts best managerial efforts.

by SgtClueLs on Sep 6, 2007 5:36 PM CDT reply actions

This article was nauseating

I mean, it's true managers don't get much credit when things go right, and a lot of blame when they don't. But when a team isn't playing up to its potential, either one of two things is wrong: you're overestimating the talent on the team, or the coaching staff is misusing that talent. I haven't seen anyone suggest that the Brewers are overrated, except maybe on Cubs' blogs.

Under Yost's watch, we've replaced inferior players with dramatically better ones, yet we struggle to stay above .500, including (as the article points out) a stretch in July and August of winning only 18 out of 50 games.

I also have yet to hear anyone explain why he deserves to keep his job. Is Ned really better than Jerry Royster or Davey Lopes? When you have a sucky team, who you have as manager is pretty irrelevant. Now that we have a good team, who you have leading them becomes pretty important. I can't believe Ned Yost is the best we can find.

And Bobby Cox is an idiot. Ned should be manager of the year because one of the most talented young clubs in the NL is barely over .500? Manager of the Year goes to the coach who is able to coax talent (and wins) out of players, not to one who is given a big lead time and time again and pisses on it.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Sep 6, 2007 6:08 PM CDT reply actions

I'm a miserable bastard.

And as a result, speaking of Cubs blogs, I'm going to kill some time before the football game tonight by perusing what I'm sure is a near suicidal bizarro BCB game thread.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 6, 2007 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions

be sure to have your shots before you head over

to Bleed Cubbie Blue

And remember when confronted with Cubs Zombies you have to shoot them in the head to make sure they stay down lol.

Ron Santo sucks lol

Fire Ned, Hire Joe Girardi

by WSB Chris on Sep 6, 2007 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions

I don't troll, I just read.

Sometimes after they win, sometimes after they lose. I've been tempted to troll on occasion, but I don't do it. It's bad form. Reading the threads after they lose helps me remember to try to keep my perspective when we lose. Mostly because the rippers there sound like total freaking morons, which is probably what I sound like when I rip after a loss. Remembering that helps me keep the bile in.

There was one really funny post over there though. I don't know how to clip in photos, or I'd throw it on here for the laugh. It had a photo of the old Iraqi Minister of Information, or whatever his title was. You know, the guy who said the American troops weren't anywhere near Bagdhad even when M1 tanks were visible in the background of his hastily called press conferences.

Anyway, they had a picture of him up in one of the posts with quotes that said that the loss was no problem and the cubs were in complete control of the National League Central. Pretty funny stuff...

I do have to say that despite morons like me hanging around, the discourse here, even on losing nights, is almost always more insightful and intelligent than the garbage at bizarro BCB, where even on winning nights the game threads always contain a large percentage of people calling each other idiots.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 6, 2007 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions

I must admit

as I followed the Cubs game on gameday and listened to my Cubs fan roommate say something to the effect of "What the FUCK???" after Ethier's homer, I headed right over the bizarro BCB. It made me feel a little better inside.

"Shabbat shalom, motherfuckers" - Ryan Braun

by The Prospector on Sep 6, 2007 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions

I don't know if this helps

Mostly because the rippers there sound like total freaking morons, which is probably what I sound like when I rip after a loss.

If it makes you feel better, this is what you sound like all the time.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Sep 6, 2007 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions

One way to fix that.

Later.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 6, 2007 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions

(you know i was kidding, right?)

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Sep 7, 2007 2:08 AM CDT up reply actions

I agree

I go over there too, although I never troll. But like you said it does make me feel better and makes me think about my comments before I say anything like they do over here

by Bigdogg2002 on Sep 6, 2007 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions

so

if you're never trolling, then you are a cubs fan?

Bring Back The Old Logo!

by jacob on Sep 6, 2007 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions

Scandalous!

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Sep 7, 2007 2:09 AM CDT up reply actions

lol

That is funny actually, it was right after Ethiers HR....I was so happy that I thought I would try to raise their hopes, only to hope that the cubs wouldn't score and be heart broken again. Just plaaying with their emotions. Do you know what a fight I would have caused if I said what I wanted to say, that the cubs suck and the Brewers are going to win the division? I would still be there arguing with them right now. I AM A BREWERS FAN! I am embarrassed that you found that. But I was really just fucking with them

by Bigdogg2002 on Sep 7, 2007 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions

i know

i thought it was funny too, but that is classic trolling.

i read their threads, often. don't let them know i said this, cause its really not nice, but they, on the average, are not a very bright group.

so they'll say something like "the brewers won't be able to keep all their young players together" or i think "Matt Murton is a free agent next year" at which point i'll interject and explain the labour situation in major league baseball. they call me a troll but really i'm helping them get smarter. which in the end, by enlightening the fan base, hopefully helps me enjoy home games against the cubs, which really are a disgraceful and embarrassing event for that tattered franchise.

Bring Back The Old Logo!

by jacob on Sep 7, 2007 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions

What do you mean they're not very bright?

This guy sure seems to be smart.

Why wouldn't you complain about Soriano hitting a home run that gives the cubs the lead? It makes complete sense.

by Zel123 on Sep 7, 2007 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions

Does that mean

Just think how pissed off they would be if Fielder and Braun played for them!

by Bigdogg2002 on Sep 7, 2007 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions

They would say that...

Prince is too fat and they wouldn't want him for that reason.

by Zel123 on Sep 7, 2007 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions

Nah

They'd only do that when he makes an out. They'd love him when he hit home runs.

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by TheJay on Sep 7, 2007 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions

Ron Santo

I liked this comment over there. And, of course, a steroids reference.

Santo makes me want to make stupid jokes like, "What's more rare than the Cubs in the World Series? Ron Santo being insightful on the radio!" Hyuk, hyuk, hyuk.

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by TheJay on Sep 6, 2007 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions

Another Yost article

on the same topic.

I'm fine with most of it, except for the "don't boo because it affects our young kids' psyche" part. The kids aren't the ones getting booed so much as Yost is.

The Wise/Aquino call is one reason, but even in last night's game, the 14-2 laugher, I have a bone to pick. Why are we giving our new LOOGY playing time? The lead was huge, sure, but what's the point of bringing in Ray King against a right-handed hitter (Bruntlett), whom he proceeded to walk? This seems like a spot tailor-made for Capuano or Aquino.

Granted, I don't care THAT much, but (1) it would give us a win in a game Cappy had pitched in, which would end one much-ballyhooed streak, and (2) King was left in for 20 pitches, which is a lot for a specialized pitcher like him. Even with today's offday, I'm assuming that if we use him tomorrow (Friday), then he's not getting used on Saturday. I just don't understand the logic there. Actually, I'm not sure there is logic there.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Sep 7, 2007 2:47 AM CDT reply actions

Cappy

I was reading Nate Silver's breakdown of the rotations of playoff contenders and he's fairly certain that Capuano is fine, but extremely unlucky this year.

The principal question is whether Ned Yost can manage to deploy his pitching assets correctly. Jeff Suppan is the guy who should be missing starts when the schedule affords it, but instead the Brewers have soured on Chris Capuano, whose problems have been caused almost entirely by his .335 BABIP

It's interesting that he's been almost entirely written off by the media around here, because Suppan and Vargas have backed their way into a few wins. Which isn't to say that Cappy isn't responsible for his own performance, but that he hasn't been the worst pitcher by a long shot.

Nate rated the Brewers' rotation 7th among the 16 playoff contenders.

by Marty McSuperFly on Sep 7, 2007 5:39 AM CDT up reply actions

Crack

Is what he's smoking.

Hey Ned! Ever heard of small ball? Or are your balls too small?

by CATALYST on Sep 7, 2007 9:56 AM CDT reply actions

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