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Brewers sign Cameron

I don't know how I feel about this:


Free-agent center fielder Mike Cameron has reached preliminary agreement with the Brewers on a one-year contract with a club option for 2009, according to major-league sources.

The deal is pending a physical.

...

The addition of Cameron likely will result in the Brewers moving Bill Hall to third base and Ryan Braun to left field.

[bumped by Roy Oswalt, Carlos Zambrano, et al.]

[UPDATE: I'll link to it in the comments, but the financials look surprisingly reasonable: about $5.5 million for 2008, and a club option for $10 million in 2009, with a $750,000 buyout. It also looks like we'll go with Gwoss (Grynn?) in center during the suspension. --- roguejim]

Star-divide

I've never been a fan of Cameron.  He'll forever be linked as the main guy the Reds traded to get Griffey, Jr. from the Mariners.  If anything else, this will quit the "No way Braun can play 3B" complainers ... but I'm not certain it's the right move.

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I'm cool with it.
I think the club needed a guy like Cameron.  Veteran that seems to know what he's doing.(when he's not striking out)
Lordz Of Vengeance....Sometimes I drink...Okay...I drink most of the time.

by Dikembe Meiztombo on Jan 11, 2008 2:17 PM CST reply actions  

I think I've figured out Doug's reasoning
Without Jenkins on the roster we need to find someone to keep those strikeout totals up.

by MadJimiBrewha on Jan 11, 2008 2:18 PM CST reply actions  

or....
We are trying to field the All-PEDs team

by MadJimiBrewha on Jan 11, 2008 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

<Vader>
Noooooooooooooooooo!!!!!</Vader>
2008: The Year of #8

by stevie ray Braun on Jan 11, 2008 2:24 PM CST reply actions  

lol
Andre Ethier is alive!  I felt it!
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Jan 12, 2008 1:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Aftermath
Rosenthal claims that Braun will be moved to LF and Hall to 3B after 25 games, but that seems ridiculous.  If Melvin was wary to move players all off-season, he's certainly not going to do it in the middle of the season.  Does this mean Hall is about to be traded, or that TGJ will try out CF for the first sixth of the season?
2008: The Year of #8

by stevie ray Braun on Jan 11, 2008 2:29 PM CST reply actions  

Good move
While he's lost a half-step, Cameron is still an excellent defensive center fielder.

Him in CF, Hall at third, and Braun in left makes the Brewers a whole lot better.

by jonk1982 on Jan 11, 2008 2:29 PM CST reply actions  

so do we assume ..........................
so do we assume That hall moves to third and braun to left even before the suspension? Then Gwynn jr. plays center till cameron plays. I don't like this AT ALL. I rather see a platoon in left and leave Braun at third. Well at least we're only in it for one year. Not sure other than being able to catch a fly ball he brings to the team. I would hate to see Bill Hall traded. he's going to have a huge year this year.
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by storminTAZZ on Jan 11, 2008 2:39 PM CST reply actions  

haudricourt
confirms it.

team defense improves by 2 or 3 wins just like that...

Bring Back The Old Logo!

by jacob on Jan 11, 2008 2:40 PM CST reply actions  

moves a definite?
Is it for sure that signing Cameron means moving everybody around?  Has Melvin said that, or is it just a sportswriter assumption?  Why move 2 guys to make room for a 35-year old guy with a one year deal?  Why not just try Cameron in left?  If he's good in center, couldn't he play a great left?  Otherwise, what happens when LaPorta's ready?  Put him at first and have Prince move to catcher?  Then all we'd have to do is swap JJ and Rickie, and everyone will be playing new positions.

Or maybe -- and how cool would this be -- they ALL learn to play ALL the positions, and rotate every inning.

by DikJones on Jan 11, 2008 2:41 PM CST reply actions  

nope
but my internet connection has been dodgy lately.  glad to see that the diaries are hopping with all the stuff i'm not posting :).
Weird, but not weird.

by Jeff Sackmann on Jan 11, 2008 5:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Pay your Bill
and they will stop turning off the internet ;)
Its all about the Bullpen this season that is the key.

by WSB Chris on Jan 11, 2008 7:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, Jeff
Who do you think you are, the FBI? :)
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by TheJay on Jan 11, 2008 8:02 PM CST up reply actions  

hmm
Let's just calm down a minute.  Hall is going to be gone anyway, the writing on the wall has been there for awhile.  If Hart and Braun produce again, one of them is going to move to center when LaPorta is ready to come up.  Hall might actually save himself for the crappy season he had last year by moving to 3rd.

If anything I think Braun in the outfield is going to get him more ABs in close games.  

by SwampBuck on Jan 11, 2008 2:46 PM CST reply actions  

LaPorta
If Braun moves to left, does that mean LaPorta is blocked?

by drezdn on Jan 11, 2008 2:49 PM CST reply actions  

1 year deal
It's a one year deal.  LaPorta needs a year in the minors.  This is a stopgap deal.

I'm willing to predict the 2009 outfield is: RF Braun, CF Hart, LF LaPorta.

by TK on Jan 11, 2008 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

40 Man...
I lost track of the roster size..

Do we have to drop someone from the 40 man to make room?  (I think we were at 39)

by SgtClueLs on Jan 11, 2008 2:53 PM CST reply actions  

I agree with the previous statements
that it seems Billy Hall will eventually be gone and it has seemed that way for a while now.  If that's the case, we've still got to be in the market for a 3B/LF via trade then right?  This signing doesn't seem to change our position much.  Anyone have anythoughts on what kind of player we might fetch with a Hall/Vargas or Bush/Prospect trade?
If A-Rod hits A-Bombs, does Fielder hit F-Bombs? It's dumb I know....

by Adam P on Jan 11, 2008 2:57 PM CST reply actions  

this might be a stupid comment
what will happen with Matt LaPorta...Is braun going to have to move again? Will Hall have to move again? Are they gonna try to teach LaPorta another position?

by baseballdan1092 on Jan 11, 2008 3:03 PM CST reply actions  

HAHA
sorry guys, i feel so stupid...i forgot that the deal was a one-year deal. i got way over my self.

by baseballdan1092 on Jan 11, 2008 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Well
There's a club option for 2009, it sounds like, so in theory, LaPorta could be temporarily blocked.

Also, I don't think there's any talk of LaPorta in centerfield, which means we'd likely be moving people around AGAIN when LaPorta arrives.

I'm really not liking this square peg/round hole approach to filling out a starting lineup.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Jan 11, 2008 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

But....
Not claiming to have the answer, but isn't an option like that just insurance against the chance that LaPorta isn't ready?

by TK on Jan 11, 2008 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Sure
Plus, the argument of "play for today" is a good one, especially for a club that hasn't had a whole lot of success over the years.

Still, I don't like the thought of Braun having to learn a new position, especially if there's validity to the argument that learning centerfield played a part in Bill E. Hall's struggles last season.  I don't like the thought of moving Billy around again in a year or two.  And I highly doubt that the difference in production between Cameron and Grillon is going to be worth the added salary.  (I hope Moustache was able to knock 1/6th off the price for the suspension!)  :)

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Jan 11, 2008 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Tom H says
it's official:
I just got it confirmed that the Brewers indeed have signed free-agent centerfielder Mike Cameron. The deal is for one year plus a club option for 2009 but I haven't learned the financial numbers yet.

After serving a 25-game suspension at the start of the season for testing positive for a banned stimulant last year, Cameron will take over in center field for the Brewers. Bill Hall will move from center to third base, with Ryan Braun shifting from third to left.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Jan 11, 2008 3:15 PM CST reply actions  

Ugh.
Cameron brings a .242 avg, a .328 OBP and somehow slugged just .431 despite 160 strikeouts.  He's made the league top ten table in strikeouts for nine of the last ten years.  And, he's going to be much more expensive than Dillon/Gross/Gwynn/Lofton/whoever while disrupting the lineup as he sits out with his 25-game steroid suspension.  

I did a fun search on baseballreference.com and learned that in modern major league baseball hsitory (i.e., since 1901), only two players have had seasons where they had a slugging percentage as low as Cameron's with as many strikeouts.  Rob Deer in 1991 and Dave Nicholson in 1963.

Brewers in the post-season? "no doubt about it"....

by TrueBlueBrewCrew on Jan 11, 2008 3:35 PM CST reply actions  

Park factors
Keep in mind that Cameron played in San Diego, a terrible offensive ballpark.  If you adjust just for the park, Cameron put up a 121 OPS+ and a 103 OPS+ the last two years.  If you assume he's gonna be closer to 2006 than 2007, you've got a very solid centerfielder.

by kingcharlesxii on Jan 11, 2008 4:14 PM CST up reply actions  

this offseason
is puzzling.  Mustache has such a good track record, that I'm starting to wonder whether he's been secretly put on the Cubs payroll.

(That being said, I was calling for Ted Thompson's head as late of September 2007 and had this conspiracy theory that Ted had purposely left Favre with no offensive weapons so that Favre would flop like 2005, and the public would be okay with Ted forcing him out.)

by keephopealive on Jan 11, 2008 3:47 PM CST reply actions  

Ehhh
I think someone may have mentioned this in one of the other threads, but if Doug and Ned are willing to play a sucky offensive player for a defensive gain, why didn't they give center to Tony Gwynn The Younger?  Just politics- not comfortable moving Hall and Braun for for an unproven young player?

by sheeter on Jan 11, 2008 4:10 PM CST reply actions  

I'm hoping
that Cameron's suckitude is overstated.  Moving away from a pitcher's park will help.  Plus, last year was his first bad year since 1998; in between, he's had some pretty good seasons (the most recent being 2006) and a couple of mediocre ones.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Jan 11, 2008 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

So.
I'm kind of sorry about I was right, but I had a feeling Cameron would end up being the way Melvin went.  I still can't imagine this means that Hall's on the block.  He's headed for 3rd base.  Seems like the signing will live and die with Hall more than it will Cameron:  if Hall recovers his offensive stroke it's probably a good move.  If he doesn't, it doesn't look so bright.  Cameron is a known commodity, though we can perhaps hope for 2006 numbers instead of 2007.

I like the defensive upside, and I hope they got him cheap as a result of the down year offensively, but this really does feel like a stretch to fill a hole.  I know there hasn't been much market for the starters so far, but I can't help but think (fear) we could have done better than Cameron as the season approached by moving a pitcher or two.  

Then again, maybe Melvin thinks having the extra arms around is probably a good idea given the injury histories of Sheets and Parra, and Capuano's struggles since the all-star break of 2006.  

Are rebuilding organizations that bankrupt of talent and "finishing" a roster that appears ready to make a post-season run different skills?  Melvin and his front office (Jack Z.) have done a pretty good job of the former.  I sure hope they've done a better job of the latter than it looks to me that they've done so far this offseason.  The thing about this move that brings me down a bit is that they're probably done.  These are your opening day 2008 Brewers.  I guess it was naive to hope for anything more.  But knowing that (at last) and Olney's recent optimistic read on the Crew still aren't enough to give me positive vibes.  

With the Cubs perhaps having one last big move to go, I'm beginning to be reminded of the night before Agincourt scenes from Henry V:  the English (i.e., the Brewers) are outnumbered and huddled around their fires talking about death, while the French (i.e., the Cubs) are bragging about their shiny new armor and taking bets on how many englishmen they'll each kill.  (You can almost hear Zambrano saying, "Would it were day!").

I just hope it ends the same way.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jan 11, 2008 4:23 PM CST reply actions  

Wow
You need a chocolate bar or something.  :)

I think the Brewers and Cubs were about even before the signing.  The improvements in defense alone will likely net us a few games, and there's reason to expect a little bit of a bounce-back in Cameron's stats (getting out of PetCo, a history of .800ish OPS [including a very good 2006], easier access to banned substances through new teammates, etc.).  I mean, he could be washed up, but unless the Dodgers changed their mind about Ethier, he's probably the best option out of several uninspiring ones.

Best of all, if he IS washed up, we cut him loose at the end of the season.

The worst part of the signing, to me, is what it might mean after the season, but I can worry about that later.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Jan 11, 2008 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah.
That was probably just the season affective disorder talking.

Actually the more comments on the signing I read from people who are smarter than I am, the better I feel about it.  And the park differential hadn't occurred to me either.  The "people" at bizarro BCB are, by and large, not very happy with the signing from a Cubs fan perspective.  But since it's the offseason the only people hanging out there are probably depressed pessimists like myself... :)

Interesting too that the bizarro BCB crowd has also already mentioned the possibility that Cameron could outperform Fukudome.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jan 11, 2008 6:05 PM CST up reply actions  

defensive upgrade
Ken Rosenthal on FOX Sports noted that Cameron's numbers have always been put up at pitcher-friendly parks (like Petco or Shea).  While this is true, he did strike out 160 times last year...that's a helluva lot!

We all know it's going to be a defensive upgrade for the team, but we needed someone like Lofton to get on base.  Cameron has a .341 career OBP, but it has gone down a little in the last couple years.  Melvin must not have had anything going on the Lofton deal, otherwise I'm not sure we'd have seen this signing happen.

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by jimmyb1799 on Jan 11, 2008 4:31 PM CST reply actions  

It's the PEDs
They make your eyes twitchy.

by nmc on Jan 11, 2008 5:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Happy with the move
I think this was probably the right move to make if you're convinced Cameron can bounce back a bit offensively (he should superficially at least just by switching parks).  Center field defense will be a  big upgrade over 2006 (Hall was really poor last year).  Third should be a big upgrade defensively (Hall was close to league average when he played third in the past).  I'm guessing Braun won't be a complete disaster in left (it's not like Jenkins hasn't been slipping lately anyway and Cameron's still very good range will help him).

There really weren't a whole lot of options out there and I feel this move upgrades the defense significantly and has the potential of having pretty solid offensive upside as well.

The only question is what the defensive alignment will be for the first 25 games.  I'd suspect Hart will man center and that's not a bad situation for the short term (he was just a touch below average last year).

by kingcharlesxii on Jan 11, 2008 4:31 PM CST reply actions  

A fantasy projection
One group's analysis of Cameron:

"Poor guy has spent the last 7 years hitting in pitcher-friendly parks.  Now he's past peak and in the middle of a [power] decline.  Expect the descent to continue."

.250/.331/.436

(from the Baseball Forecaster)

by senryu on Jan 11, 2008 4:39 PM CST reply actions  

More analysis
From Rotoworld:
A source told FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal that the Brewers and Mike Cameron have come to terms on a one-year deal with a club option for 2009.
It's very surprising to see Cameron settle for a one-year deal with at least a couple of other clubs interested in him. The Brewers will likely move Bill Hall to third base to make room for him. The move puts them in much better position to challenge the Cubs in the NL Central.

It looks like the Cubs were interested too.  Hah!

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Jan 11, 2008 4:46 PM CST reply actions  

Here's the scoop
from our good buddy Tom H. at the JS Blogs:
The Brewers hold a $10 million option on Cameron for 2009 with a $750,000 buyout. So, if he plays for them one year, the Brewers' financial commitment will be the $1.25 million signing bonus, $4.22 million in actual pay and the $750,000 buyout, which comes to $6.22 million.

And here's something else that was made clear to me by folks in the know. This is not the precursor to another deal. The plan is to move Bill Hall from center to third and Ryan Braun from third to left field, and both players have been told that.

In the first 25 games without Cameron, look for the Brewers to use backup outfielders such as Tony Gwynn Jr. and Gabe Gross in center. Corey Hart will stay in right and Braun in left.

This is all pending a physical on Monday.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Jan 11, 2008 4:56 PM CST reply actions  

the signing looks a lot better to me...
since it is for pretty cheap; and a one year commitment.  

very surprised he signed for only one year.  he must have really wanted to play on this team; which is obviously a good thing.

so, my next (probably dumb) question: is cameron that much better defensively in center than corey?

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by Jamie in LA on Jan 11, 2008 5:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes
"so, my next (probably dumb) question: is cameron that much better defensively in center than corey?"

Yes.  I'm not sure everybody here realizes just how good defensively Cameron is, even after losing a half-step or step over the year.

by jonk1982 on Jan 11, 2008 5:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Years
Over the years, that is.

by jonk1982 on Jan 11, 2008 5:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Not that it really matters...
But how many guys implicated/suspended as steroid users have the Brewers signed this offseason now? It doesn't bother me but I think it's pretty interesting nevertheless -- heck, maybe they came cheaper because of it. Plus if they're really dumb and get caught (again?), they're gone after the year. :)

I wonder if Bill Hall now wonders where he'll be moved to before the 2009 season.

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by TheJay on Jan 11, 2008 5:27 PM CST reply actions  

Not steriods
Cameron was not suspended for steroids. He was suspended for a stimulant. There is a difference, evidently.

Please note that he is suspended for 25 games, while a steroid suspension is 50-plus.

by jonk1982 on Jan 11, 2008 5:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Ah, you're right
I should've said PED users or something else more accurate like the others who posted in the thread before me. Thanks for pointing that out. The 25-game suspension should've been a hint. :)
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by TheJay on Jan 11, 2008 5:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Ok
I voted for it before I was against it (to quote a well-coiffed statesman).

Considering the guy is a proven major leaguer, signed for sub-Jenkins money, has a good fielding resume, and only one year ... this is a situation I can live with.  It now allows Hall to settle in at third, Braun to learn the outfield, and a year for LaPorta to learn RF (if they dare not switch Braun around again).

Another way to look at it ... if they think Gwynn is not just a replacement, it gives the kid another season to get acclimated and would be ready to take over CF next season (should LaPorta not be ready or someone is traded).  He's already going to get a great chance in April to show he's worth something.

Yet another way to look at it ... consider the names bandied about to "fix" this situation:

Luis Gonzalez
Pedro Feliz
Brad Wilkerson
Scott Rolen
Mike Cameron
Shawn Green
Ben Grieve
Jeff Cirillo
Hank Blaylock
...others I can remember

They all come with baggage and subsequent Brewers players position shifts, I can honestly say that I would only prefer Blaylock over Cameron (and the reason why he's probably not a Brewer is because the Rangers were asking for too much).  Defense rarely goes into slumps, right?  Well, then Cameron was the only guy you could count on of the above to do something on the field consistently above average.

I think it's a sufficient move and it helps the team, though the position shifts are troublesome.  If Bill Hall, again, takes this in stride, he'll forever be one of my top three Brewers with four l's in his name.

by nmc on Jan 11, 2008 5:47 PM CST reply actions  

ok, let's roll
  1.  Weeks
  2.  Hardy
  3.  Braun
  4.  Fielder
  5.  Hart
  6.  Hall
  7.  Cameron
  8.  Kendall
Not perfect, but pretty dang good.

by Braunstalker on Jan 11, 2008 5:57 PM CST reply actions  

7, 8, 9
make me a little nervous...
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by Michael M on Jan 11, 2008 9:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll learn to like this
I was a little dismayed at first, but after considering the rest of the options, Cameron really is the best choice.  We lose him for 25 games, but someone like Lofton would have to be in a platoon all year.  Plus, a lot of sites seem to devalue Cameron because he's "old and in decline", but looking at his stats he had (arguably) the best season of his career only two years ago.  Throw in his outstanding defense and very reasonable price tag, and this is a pretty good signing by Melvin.

As for his strikeout rate, it's not going to make the team any worse at that stat than we were last year.  Jenkins wasn't exactly Ichiro at the plate, and the decrease in SO we'll get going from Estrada to Kendall will at least even it out.

I'm not going to throw a parade over it, but Cameron is the best realistic addition we could have made through the free agency.

PS - How many teams can say they have someone hitting 20+ homeruns a year in the #7 spot?  Our lineup is going to be killer.

2008: The Year of #8

by stevie ray Braun on Jan 11, 2008 6:41 PM CST reply actions  

is $6M really reasonable?
I mean his stats are essentially Geoff Jenkins (even if we give him the edge on D)

Are you telling me we couldn't have gotten similar production from Gross/Dillion/Gwynn.

I guess it isn't my money - but geesh.

On the other hand. It is clear that it is win now for the Crew

Go Brewers!

by romagna72 on Jan 11, 2008 7:03 PM CST reply actions  

One thing everyone needs to remember
In the end it will be the moves made in the Pen that will either win us or lose us the division.  Not this move.  

This move is a good stop gap it fill the remaining holes in the starting line up and as has been stated if La Porta is ready next season Cameron is gone with a nice 750K parting gift thanks for playing drive home safely.

But it was the pen that has failed us the last two season if the pen holes up we have nothing to worry about.

I think ;)

Its all about the Bullpen this season that is the key.

by WSB Chris on Jan 11, 2008 7:17 PM CST reply actions  

Void of real calculations
I think the division can be had with 88 wins ... hit that and you're in the playoffs.  So with the moves, these extra "wins" have been added to the team:

+1 win for full season of Gallardo (conservative)
+3 wins for Cameron (outfield) and Kendall (calling) signing, defense improvement
+2-3 wins for additional bullpen
+2 wins for full season of Braun, Hart, & general hitter maturation

So, if the starting pitchers were to stand pat (I don't want to count on Sheets making 75% of his starts), this is a good improvement.  Clearly the offense couldn't be improved that much, the defense has been improved, and the bullpen is much improved.

Arbitrary numbers by me, yay!

by nmc on Jan 11, 2008 7:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I like it
I think it is an excellent move by DM to get him on more or less a one year deal.  If the signings of Cameron and Gagne don't work out for us, we're really no worse for the wear.  Trust in the 'stache, he tends to know what he is doing.

by cappad0nna on Jan 11, 2008 8:57 PM CST reply actions  

Gagne, Mota, and Mike Cameron
I am not pleased with this offseason. Riske's fine, Torres and Kendall are decent acquisitions, and Gabe Kapler really doesn't have any risk attached. But acquiring two just above average guys caught using PEDs, while overpaying another suspected of it (Gagne could go back to his old LA form), just don't seem like great moves. Are we going to sign Neifi Perez next? I also don't like asking Bill Hall to move again.

The past tells me to trust Melvin, but I said the same thing when I was very ambivalent about the Linebrink for Inman, Thatcher, and the other guy deal. If they have good seasons and propel us to the playoffs, I'll be happily surprised. But I'm not optimistic.

I don't think I can boo Bonds for steroid use anymore, though. Thank goodness I can still boo him for being such an a**hole (if he plays, that is).

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by alkaseitzer on Jan 12, 2008 1:59 AM CST reply actions  

future
i don't mind the signing, im just wondering what's going to happen when laporta is ready to come up in 2009? I assume hart in center, but does braun move to right or do they switch laporta to right while he's still in the minors?
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by msoebrewcrewfan on Jan 13, 2008 12:47 PM CST reply actions  

I would guess
The team will worry about where LaPorta will play if he's ready in 2009. If anything, this means the team won't have to rush LaPorta at all.
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by TheJay on Jan 13, 2008 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

hall
Bill Hall is not happy about this move to 3B, and I'm a little worried about it.  Buster Olney on ESPN is wondering if the Dodgers will revisit a trade for Hall...

Hall, Vargas, and a prospect for Ethier and move Braun back to 3B?  Hall, Vargas, and a prospect for Andy LaRoche and keep Braun in LF?

I don't know...but I know that Hall has vocally said he's not happy.

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by jimmyb1799 on Jan 13, 2008 12:49 PM CST reply actions  

Please
Someone give definitive evidence as to where Hall is upset about the move.  Really.  

We're inclined to think that Hall would think all his effort last year, including a poor offensive showing, were for naught, but until he says something ... well, then stop repeating that he's not happy about the move.  He hasn't said anything!

by nmc on Jan 13, 2008 1:49 PM CST reply actions  

The quotes from Hall in Haudricourt's story
demonstrated some frustration, but certainly not a trade demand or a refusal to make the move.  If it doesn't turn him into a clubhouse malcontent or result in a trade demand, then who cares?  

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jan 13, 2008 9:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Some more on the Cameron signing
From the JS Blogs, of course:
It'll be interesting to see who the Brewers remove from their 40-man roster to make room for Cameron. It'll probably be either outfielder Drew Anderson or first baseman Brad Nelson, both of whom I believe still have minor league options.

Here are the complete details of Cameron's contract:

$1.25 million signing bonus plus $5 million salary in 2008. Incentive bonuses: $175,000 for 325 plate appearances and 375 PAs. $200,000 for 425 PAs and 475 PAs. Club option for 2009 for $10 million with $750,000 buyout. Incentive bonuses: $175,000 for 425 PAs and 475 PAs; $200,000 for 525 PAs and 575 PAs. Limited no trade.

The physical required to complete the signing is tomorrow.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Jan 13, 2008 8:44 PM CST reply actions  

TH has published some of Cameron's numbers
for Miller and other NL Central parks.  The sample sizes are tiny, but the numbers are significantly higher than his 2007 production levels.  

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jan 13, 2008 9:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Brian Anderson sent down
...to make room for Cameron.

Wait, not Brian Anderson.  Drew Anderson, so say the JS Blogs.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Jan 15, 2008 3:20 PM CST reply actions  

Cameron...
unfortunately didn't seem to make the "all-juiced team."  Great article about players suspected of PED use.  Amusing read.

http://mlbfleecefactor.com/2008/01/16/all-time-teams-the-all-juiced-team/

by ET90210 on Jan 17, 2008 3:17 PM CST reply actions  

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