No! No Cameron!
I just read an post at Al's Ramblings with a link, presumably of an article to be run in the Urinal-Sentinel soon, about a serious interest in Mike Cameron. As Haudricourt points out, though, Cameron is the opposite of what Melvin said he's looking for. The Brewer's have been seeking a LH bat with a high(er) OBP for left or third. Cameron is RH, and his OBP isn't real good. When I saw the paragraph about his penchant for striking out(160 times in 07), my first response was, "that's the last guy we need." Thoughts?
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I would rather have Lofton
by stevie ray Braun on Jan 9, 2008 10:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Urinal Sentinel?
bring me lofton, even if he is 487 years old.
by Jamie in LA on Jan 9, 2008 11:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Meh
I guess I'm not thrilled about any of the options being discussed. I'd like Lofton a whole lot better if he weren't so bad against lefites [2007 OPS: .545]. Gonzo's really old and anecdotally has a noodle for a throwing arm, but he approaches credible from both sides of the plate on offense.
As for Cameron...
- His stats are here. The JS Blog report is here and here.
- I mentioned this elsewhere, but in 2005, he played almost entirely in right field for the Mets. In theory, we could move Corey Hart to left and keep Billy in centerfield.
- There's reason to think Moustache knows what he's doing. Cameron had a pretty bad season last year, but was pretty good in 2006, where he set a career high in OPS (.837) and had his highest OBP (.355) since 2000, all in a pitcher's park. I still give Moustache the benefit of the doubt, even if he has missed on outfielders in the past (TGH). If we can coax a repeat of 2006, it'd be a fine signing, though I certainly wouldn't bet on it.
- He just turned 35 this week, a spring chicken compared to his would-be competitors.
- His splits are interesting: although he tends to hit lefties better than righties (.914/.700 OPS in 2007, .843/.767 career), in his fabled 2006 season, he was better against RHP, .844 vs. 810. I'd presume we wouldn't platoon him.
- He won't be playing in the team's first 25 games aftre a suspension for banned stimulants. This would be quite the reputation we're developing.
- FWIW, if we signed Cameron, I assume we'd be set for our lineup (assuming that we'd move him/Billy/Corey/Ryan around in some configuration). Given our plethora of pitching, I'd also assume that any trades involving our pitchers would be for prospects, then? It seems to me it's easier to swing a deal when you have a need, like for a leftfielder. Maybe it's only me, but getting our rotation taken care of is as pressing a need as signing an ancient leftfielder.
- For the record, I'll still be pissed if we traded Billy Hall, especially if it's precipitated by signing Cameron.
by roguejim on Jan 10, 2008 12:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
i know it has been mentioned before many times...
i dont like the idea of signing cameron, but it could be worse; doug could be pursuing this guy...
by Jamie in LA on Jan 10, 2008 1:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree 100%
If you must trade him, why now? His 2007 was his first season in three years as a regular with an OPS below .800. (I forgot that he hit .291 in 500 ABs in 2005!)
I'm just hoping that I'll wake up tomorrow and find that this was all a dream.
by roguejim on Jan 10, 2008 2:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not that weird, I guess
I hope all these names thrown out today are just a reaction to the lack of Brewers news lately. It wouldn't surprise me if a routine call to all the agents of the players on Tom H's list was morphed into "serious talks."
by TheJay on Jan 10, 2008 11:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling
by Bigdogg2002 on Jan 10, 2008 12:56 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's a dream.
But. There's some available logic that supports the move. Cameron would appear to be an improvement defensively in center over Hall, and Hall almost certainly would be an improvement defensively over Braun at 3rd. Braun will probably struggle defensively in left, particularly early, but the available LF's out there appear to be no more than adequate defensively, at best. Theoretically, the defensive upgrade at Center and 3rd would over come the diminished defensive performance in LF. Then there's Hall's offensive production. The argument that the move to Center made him focus so much on defense that his offensive stats suffered doesn't make much sense to me. Far less than the available conclusion that 2007 was simply a regression to the mean and that 2006 was a statistical anomaly for Hall offensively. But I'm certainly no expert. If Melvin believes that Hall's offensive numbers will approach 2006 levels again if he's playing a defensive position he's comfortable with, then the interest in Cameron becomes more understandable, since it would result in offensive upgrade from Hall as well as the defensive upgrades at Center and 3rd.
If they sign Cameron, I sure as hell hope that thinking is correct. Trading Hall now, after he struggled offensively last season, doesn't make a lot of sense to me, particularly since he can play so many positions if injuries crop up. Besides, once he turns 30 he'll qualify as one of those crusty veteran types Ned loves so damn much.
If Cameron does sign, my guess is we'll get 25 games of Gwynn/Gross in C and Hall will play 3rd all year (barring injury). He belongs in the IF anyway.
The question is does the defensive improvement in C justify all the other positional switches?
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jan 10, 2008 10:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I mostly agree
It would be tragically funny if we do all this to move Hall to third base, and he's worse than Ryan.
I think it's possible that too much was made about the switch to center and Hall's offensive output, but it sure seems like there was something else other than merely regression to the mean. Hall's stats are here. To me, regression to the mean is usually a drop to 80% of production(ish) from the previous season's gangbusters performance. Even if 2006 was an aberration (OPS .899), you'd expect a drop to something like his 2005 season (OPS .837). I don't think you can attribute a .160 drop in OPS to merely regression to the mean. (I mean, if we inched closer to the actual definition of regression to the mean, last season OPS was almost 50 points below his career average, which includes his awe-uninspiring 2002-2004 seasons.)
He's only had 2 good seasons, so I think you could argue that 2005 and 2006 were aberrations, though I hope that's not the case. If that's what Moustache thinks, then I guess now would be the time to trade him. Still, like Braun's defense at third, I'd like to think he deserves another year to turn things around.
by roguejim on Jan 10, 2008 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
another post
Incidentally, Melvin didn't return my calls last night either, but that usually just means he's either watching hockey or there's a John Candy marathon on BBC Canada.
by newguy on Jan 10, 2008 12:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
In my experience
by stevie ray Braun on Jan 10, 2008 6:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We could always just...
by marty22 on Jan 10, 2008 6:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
One positive of signing Cameron
by MadJimiBrewha on Jan 11, 2008 9:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
yeah, what you said.
with fielder, weeks, and braun anywhere on the diamond, i think putting a defensive specialist, like TGjr, out there everyday to help offset the defensive misgivings is appropriate.
by jacob on Jan 11, 2008 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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