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In Arizona: Taylor Green went 1-for-4 with a walk, Lorenzo Cain went 2-for-5 but was caught stealing, Brae Wright struck out the side and pitched a perfect inning for his third hold, and David Welch retired the last batter to pick up his first save as the Javelinas defeated Mesa, 6-4. Lou Palmisano went 0-for-2 with a walk for the Solar Sox before being replaced by a pinch runner, caught Lorenzo Cain stealing and committed a throwing error.

The Javelinas host Mesa today at 2:35.

In Hawai'i: Logan Schafer went 0-for-2 with two walks, Caleb Gindl went 1-for-3 with a run scored and Mike Ramlow allowed two runs on two hits in one inning of work as the CaneFires defeated Honolulu 7-2 in 7 innings.

The CaneFires host Honolulu again at 8 tonight.

In Mexico: Erasmo Ramirez gave up a hit that allowed inherited runners to score and was credited with his second blown save, but he also pitched a scoreless third of an inning for his first win as the Algodoneros defeated Hermosillo, 7-6.

In Venezuela: Four Brewers debuted on Opening Day in the Liga Venezuela Beisbol Profesional. Amazingly, all of them have individual stats even though no one has a box score. Correction: These stats are from Tuesday's action. Wednesday's results will be in Friday's Frosty Mug. Have I mentioned I'm an idiot and I write the Mug before coffee? Brewer appearances Tuesday:

  • Brendan Katin went 1-for-5 with his first HR for Zulia.
  • Jay Gibbons went 0-for-3 with two strikeouts but walked and scored a run for Magallanes.
  • Also for Magallanes, Tony Gwynn went 1-for-5 with a K.
  • Hernan Iribarren went 1-for-2 with a double and two walks for Lara.

I feel like this is the 50th time I've said it shouldn't be long before the managerial situation is resolved. If it gets resolved yet this week and Doug Melvin finally agrees to an extension, items 1 and 2 will be crossed off the postseason to do list.

Welcome to day ten of another full offseason spent debating the merits of Rickie Weeks. Today, The Junkball Blues notes that Weeks turned about the number of double plays that would be expected from someone who spent the same number of innings at second base. That's fine, but the argument doesn't hold water because continued failure to convert routine double plays is something I can observe with my eyes.

Beyond the Box Score ranked Mike Cameron as the 12th best CF in 2008. Also worth noting from that article: I don't think I've ever seen anything, positive or negative, written about Nate McLouth's defense, but he somehow managed to cost the Pirates 16 runs in the field this season.

Would that be enough to keep him off the all-NM team? It's hard to say. Batter's Box Interactive has issued a challenge to build the best possible historical team using only players with the same syllables initials. (Related note: My IQ today is under 10.) Jay, this strikes me as being right in your wheelhouse.

I don't think an RY team would be very competitive, even if Seamheads did rank Robin Yount the fourth greatest shortstop of all time.

Bird Land has a poll to determine which four faces belong on the Cardinals' Mt. Rushmore. That got me thinking: are there four Brewers worthy of such an honor? Let's hear your nominees in the comments, and if there's interest I'll put a poll together at a later date.

No nominations will be accepted for Craig Counsell. FanGraphs thinks it's time for Craig Counsell to start working on the "future manager" part of his career.

Does any sport have more byzantine roster rules than baseball? I'm still trying to figure out who's eligible for the Rule 5 Draft, and now also trying to understand free agent quotas. The latter doesn't sound like it'll come into play this offseason, but it still belongs alongside Super 2's and the aforementioned Rule 5 Draft on the confusing rule Mt. Rushmore.

So the Mariners have named the three finalists for their GM position, meaning it's probably safe to assume we'll get to keep Jack Z. for at least another year.

Should the Brewers have sported mohawks for the NLDS? It's one of the many non-plausible explanations for the Rays' playoff success despite their lack of playoff experience. Lookout Landing has a post and some stats on players with (and without) playoff experience and their performances in 2008.

If you're getting a busy signal, that means three people are calling his phone at once: Josh Phelps is a free agent after being let go by the Cardinals yesterday. There are worse platoon guys out there.

Goat Riders of the Apocalypse thinks the Cubs should replace Kosuke Fukudome with Milton Bradley, who could combine with Carlos Zambrano to form some kind of hot-headed Voltron.

Leo Mazzone is back to looking for work as a pitching coach after taking 2008 off. Click the link to read a quote where he buries the Orioles organization.

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Game 6?

With the way the Rays are playing, there probably won’t be one. [/counting unhatched chickens]

by morineko on Oct 16, 2008 10:58 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If the Rays finish the series in Game 5,

Hopefully they don’t cool off like the Rockies did last year with all the time off between the NLCS and World Series.

by tcyoung on Oct 16, 2008 11:13 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

phillies have a longer break

could affect them too. they came on strong in the end

Situational Signature (8th/9th inning only): pleasenotkendallpleasenotkendallpleasenotkendallpleasenotkendall
--NoahJ

by PagsBrewCrew on Oct 16, 2008 12:12 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

maybe both teams will be ice cold

and the game will be decided by errors

by tcyoung on Oct 16, 2008 1:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

http://baseball.about.com/od/majorleaguebasics/a/freeagentprimer.htm

This link explains A/B players and the Rule 5 draft pretty well. Type A players are in the top 20% at their position and Type B players are between the top 20-40%. Sheets and Sabathia are both Type A players, but I’m not sure where the rest of the players fall.

The reason it will come into play for the Crew is this: If you lose a Type A or Type B player to free agency, you are compensated with draft picks. (see Scott Linebrink last year.

Scott Linebrink qualified as Type A or Type B, last year, so I wouldn’t be surprised if some of our bullpen guys could qualify.

If we don’t pick up the option on Cameron, I’m guessing that we cannot get any consolation picks. (You have to offer the player arbitration in order to get the picks)

by tcyoung on Oct 16, 2008 11:24 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Understood

I was suggesting the “free agent quota” won’t come into play for the Brewers, who most likely won’t find the cash to sign more than 6 Type A/B free agents.

I don't specifically articulate my motives, because that wouldn't travel as well as a boo does.

by KLSnow on Oct 16, 2008 9:11 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I had never heard of the type A/type B players

I was excited to have found out how it worked, and I thought it was an interesting baseball rule. Thought I’d share it BrewCrewBall

by tcyoung on Oct 16, 2008 10:51 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

actually

it would be reasonable to decline Cam’s option, then offer him arby, which he would probably refuse. (Maybe not, I’m not sure.)

If that happened, we would receive picks.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Oct 16, 2008 9:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

who do you have in mind to acquire via free agency?

or who do you see filling our center field hole? hart? gwynn? kapler?

Situational Signature (8th/9th inning only): pleasenotkendallpleasenotkendallpleasenotkendallpleasenotkendall
--NoahJ

by PagsBrewCrew on Oct 16, 2008 10:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't

I’m all for picking up cam’s option.

I meant “reasonable” in the sense of “defensible business decision.” (which, on reflection, is not terribly clear.) just that declining the option doesn’t preclude the receipt of compensation picks.

Or we could trade for Gabe Gross.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Oct 16, 2008 10:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

is it possible

to offer arby after declining an option?

by tcyoung on Oct 16, 2008 10:49 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes.

basically, you can offer arby to players on your team who are becoming free agents. like CC and Ben, for instance.

if we decline Cam’s option, we are turning him into a free agent.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Oct 16, 2008 11:12 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mt. Rushmore

All-time Brewer Mt. Rushmore:

Yount (obvious)
Molitor (obvious)
Higuera (I was tempted to put CC here. It’s sad, but Teddy’s probably the best pitcher who spent more than one season with the Crew)
Cooper (for now, will probably be switched to Braun in about another season or two)

The debate I find even more fun is the 90’s Brewer Mt. Rushmore of turds. The possibilities are endless. My list is:

Chuckie Carr
Rueben Quevedo
Jeffrey Hammonds
Alex Sanchez

by Brew Believer on Oct 16, 2008 11:35 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A quibble

That’s more an early 2000’s Death Valley – Carr’s the only one who played for the 90’s Brewers. I don’t know who would be a good replacement for him, though. Maybe Glendon Rusch.

Obscure baseball records and more at my blog, Recondite Baseball.

by TheJay on Oct 16, 2008 11:48 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're right

Instead of 90’s, I should have title it something like Era of Futility and Hopelessness (1993 – 2004).

by Brew Believer on Oct 16, 2008 12:10 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

4 is tough...

but without over-thinking it…
1. Yount
2. Molitor
3. Uecker
4. Braunny

by Jamie in LA on Oct 16, 2008 12:09 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I debated Uecker and Selig, but chose to keep it to players on my list. Sadly, as with pitchers, no manager is even worthy of discussion. If you had to pick one, the debate would be Kuehn or Bamberger. Yuck.

by Brew Believer on Oct 16, 2008 12:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Qualifications for Mt Rushmore

Just picking the best four players with any significant team longevity is the boring way to pick Brewers Mt Rushmore candidates. I would find it more interesting to choose characteristics of the real Mt Rushmore honorees and match those as closely as possible to Brewers.

1. Washington
+ First in hearts of countrymen
+ Involved at the beginning
+ Retired while still popular

2. Jefferson
+ Involved at the beginning
+ Expanded and explored national territory
+ Multitalented

3. Lincoln
+ Held Union together in wartime
+ Freed many from bondage
+ Term ended prematurely

4. Roosevelt
+ Rough Rider
+ Progressive reformer
+ Teddy bear namesake

If we define the early ’70’s as “the Brewers’ colonial years”, then the country’s founding could roughly coincide with the Brewers’ first shot at prominence in 1978. Given that, my nearest matches are…

1. Yount
2. Molitor
3. Sheets
4. Fingers

It's called "playing the percentages."

by hilbelink on Oct 16, 2008 12:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Using your criteria -

1. Yount – When you think Brewer’s – he is the first one to think of.

2. Molitor – He explored the territories by playing with MN and Tor – but still went into the hall as a Brewer.

3. Uecker – He is the one who kept the Brewer’s fan base together during the “Era of Futility and Hopelessness (1993 – 2004).” Without his calls on the radio – only the loneliest of fans would have still listened on purpose.

4. I have to go with Ben Ogilvie – It was a toss up between Gorman Thomas, Cooper and Benji – Benji won the coin toss – He came to Milwaukee in 78 and played 8 great years with us. And he is often overlooked as a mainstay

Also an honorable mention goes to Jim Gatner

Braun isn’t on the list and he shouldn’t be. If he has the career that we all hope and think that he will have – he gets his own monument.

by Saberilliterate on Oct 16, 2008 2:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yount
Molitor
Ueck
Braun/Coop

I agree that if Braunie keeps playing like he is now, he gets his own monument. If he stays with the team for a while, no dout he will be the next Yount.

by brewersbitch on Oct 16, 2008 7:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

CCs term ended more prematurely than Sheets

Any presidents come back from the dead? cuz that’s Gallardo.

Oh, wait…that’s religious icons.

so…who is most like the following
Jesus
Mohammed
Gandhi
Moses
?

Situational Signature (8th/9th inning only): pleasenotkendallpleasenotkendallpleasenotkendallpleasenotkendall
--NoahJ

by PagsBrewCrew on Oct 16, 2008 5:12 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

back from the dead...

that’d be Grover Cleveland. Sort of. And there’s already a baseball namesake for him.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Oct 16, 2008 6:03 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Brewers Mt. Rushmore

Robin Yount - of course
Paul Molitor - of course
Rollie Fingers - Probably the best pitcher to ever play for the Brewers (sorry CC), and though he’s more identified with the Athletics, he did have his best season here in Milwaukee.
Gorman Thomas – There are certainly much better former Brewers, but is there a more quintessential Milwaukeean baseball player?

Since he wasn’t a player, Uecker needs his own monument, like that one they’re building of Crazy Horse.

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Oct 16, 2008 5:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sorry hit enter too soon...
UPDATE 9:57 a.m.: We just posted an update to this blog stating that Jack Zduriencik of the Milwaukee Brewers is the previously unreported external candidate to interview for the M’s job and has been called back for what is now a Final Four of interviewees.

by Saberilliterate on Oct 16, 2008 1:50 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe it was posted and I missed it

But the SB Nation baseball editors, an unknown group who I couldn’t suss out although my search skills aren’t super, voted for the manager of the year. Three people voted for Yost as second in the NL. I’d sure like to know who cast those votes, but to protect military operating overseas I guess the identities aren’t revealed. One guy over at Arizona snakepit admitted to his vote although he wouldn’t offer much of an explanation.

by ol Pete on Oct 16, 2008 2:47 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

should be one writer from each SBN baseball blog in that league.

although I submitted my vote late and am not counted in the MOY voting.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Oct 16, 2008 6:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice job Jeff.

Whom did you vote for?

Eric Gagne DL time: May 23-June 29 Brewers record in that span: 20-9

by NoahJ on Oct 16, 2008 7:20 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

for MOY

I think I went Fredi Gonzalez / Charlie Manuel / Jerry Manuel, in that order.

It was more process of elimination than anything else … I knew I definitely didn’t want to vote for any of the other guys.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Oct 16, 2008 7:47 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i think coop did a good job keeping his boys motivated down to the wire

but what he was doing in the start of the season is anyone’s guess

Situational Signature (8th/9th inning only): pleasenotkendallpleasenotkendallpleasenotkendallpleasenotkendall
--NoahJ

by PagsBrewCrew on Oct 16, 2008 8:51 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don’t want Sveum or Yount back. There glory was as a player. I don’t want to see those memories tarnished by managerial ineptness.

by Saberilliterate on Oct 17, 2008 8:02 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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