if we can get one of those 2 guys ill be happy

Just…no, seriously. It’s not like we have a ton of arms in our system. I’d just hate to give away our top power bat, our best outfielding prospect, and best arm within a year span. It just sounds like a farm system fire sale. Though it’d be intriguing having those two in the rotation, you can never deplete your system like that.

As for next season, I’m hoping we do lock up CC. If not, I’d say Sheeter will actually stay put. Personally, Sheets’ price is down a lot more due to that injury, and could even be intrigued to stay for less, than he’d get elsewhere, possibly. It’d be a risk, always is with glass pitchers like Sheets, but when he’s on he’s one of the best. So if I had to go with a 5 man rotation for next season, I’d go with this:

1. CC
2. Sheets
3. Gallardo
4. Parra
5. Bush

Again, the rotation is a tricky one to figure. Kind of want the WS to be a sweep so we can get these pieces in motion already. Not just the pitching situation but who we bring in and how this team will morph. We’re in for a fun offseason :)

he is going to be really really expensive, and and he was heavily abused.

No no no no no. I would trade Escobar before I traded Hardy. Rickie Weeks was a big time prospect just like Escobar, and does anyone even want him on the team anymore? Hardy hs proven himself, Escobar hasn’t. DO NOT TRADE HARDY- move him to 3B if you’re dead set on Escobar (which I know everyone is).

As far as CC goes, the only way we will get him is by him taking a discount. Brewers can’t match Yankee money. One would hope 4 yrs/100 mil would be enough of a discount.

We would be trading 6 years of Jeffress, probably starting 2010 or later, which might be worth nothing if he gets injured or becomes a Todd Van Poppel or something, for 5 years of Peavy, who is much more of a known quantity, and would help us immediately. I’m not worried about trading Jeffress at all.

Peavy is going to be much cheaper than CC at (about $16mil/year), and can probably be traded for a nice catch is things don’t work out. This also might buy us a 2-3 year window to restock the farm through drafts and international scouting.

I want Rickie on the team because he takes pitches when pretty much no one else on the team does. He’s still very young, and if he finally hits over .260, his OBP will reach .380, and that’s great. He can hit 20 HR. I don’t like the comparison to Escobar at all — they are different players. Rickie is a guy whose value is based on above average power for a 2B and a solid plate approach — everyone knew he would never be great on D. Escobar is a slap hitter with no patience but people think he’s the next Ozzie Smith w/ the glove. At SS, that’s valuable. I’d be willing to part with Rickie or Alcides in a trade for Peavy, but probably not both. The same goes for JJ. He’s a solid player for sure, and I wouldn’t want to get rid of him if Rickie or Escobar get moved, but he’s not untouchable.

That said, CC at 4yr/$100mil might be the best deal. I’d do that in a heartbeat, and so would most Brewer fans, I imagine.

Gwynn is not a prospect. Period. IMO, he never was.

I’m not opposed to trading Gamel, either. I’m not sure why everyone is so sold on a guy who put up half a season of great numbers in AA as a 23 year old. He has never been young for his level, and he never posted an OPS above .872 until the first half of 2008. There are some good signs (he seems to be lowering K% and raising BB% consistently, e.g.), but he doesn’t really have a position, especially with Braun cemented in LF (probably) for the next 6 seasons. In regards to 1B, I’d rather go year-to-year with Prince until his time is up, because I think that gives us the greatest chance to win now without really hurting us. We’ll get draft picks when he leaves, and by then he’ll be starting his decline. I mean, I’d trade Prince for Tim Lincecum, but that’s about it. Or, if we can’t sign CC or get Peavy and decide to do a quick rebuild, I’d trade Prince for a lot of near ready talent (probably pitching) so that we can make another run in like 2010-11 before YoGa’s time is up.

And I just hope the Cubs don’t trade for him. Zambrano, Peavy, Harden? Yikes.

Here is a link to a discussion of his pitching mechanics. I say no way in hell the Brewers take a chance on a really large contract for him. His performance outside of Petco don’t seem awe inspiring either. For all those who are willing to toss away Parra, Gamel, Hardy and/or Escobar, what should the team do if Peavy is a 4.3 ERA or so pitcher or isn’t healthy.

CC would be great but TOO expensive.

Peavy and Gerut
FOR
Hardy, Weeks, Bush, Gwynn and Salome

We give up an All-Star, A GM killer, A solid pitcher, a 5th OF and a catcher who will never have a higher pre-majors value.

We get a Cy Young winner for 4 years and a CF showing his potential (finally).

But nobody talked about it much this year and nobody would talk about Peavy’s if his elbow goes bad or his pitching outside Petco stays the same.

I think I’d rather see Randy Johnson for a year.

If the Cubs acquire Peavy, they have, arguably one of the best pitching staffs in baseball and likewise for the Brewers.

I would absolutely hate having to face C.C. (If you guys can retain him), then go after Peavy.

I think that C.C. is going to sign elsewhere…. not because, as a Cubs fan, I hope it. It’s just that a place like NY with the money and a manager at this point might be appealing.

and his big option being picked up / the cost of a buyout to increase.

Let’s get down to important matters: When will Manny Parra stop walking batters?