Game Thread #165: Phillies (2-0) vs. Brewers (0-2)
Philadelphia Phillies at Milwaukee Brewers, Oct 4, 2008 5:37 PM CDT
The must-winniest game in the last quarter-century of Brewers baseball starts at 5:37 CT. Not 5:36, not 5:38, 5:37.
That reminds me: The most annoying thing about my two days at Citizen's Bank Park was that, before each game, the PA guy told everybody to stand up and wave their rally towels because TBS was going on the air. I understand it's all about TV revenues, but...dude, I'm at a baseball game. My goal is not to displaying my municipal pride (even if I were a Philadelphian) by showing that I'm the media's bitch.
But I digress.
The pitching matchup is a pretty darn good one for Game 3 between two teams not exactly heralded for rotation depth. Dave Bush has a 3.50 ERA in 16 home starts, along with a 3.91 mark in the second half. Jamie Moyer is having the best year of his career since 2003, and--unfortunately for the Crew--has nearly even platoon splits.
The lineups are pretty standard; of course Corey's in there despite my prayers to the contrary. (A buddy of mine texted earlier that Hart is going to go deep tonight. Some of us are more optimistic than others...)
I really mean it this time: GO BREWERS!
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Pee your pants
If people agree to pee their pants if the Brewers make the playoffs they should agree to do something much crazier if Hart hits a HR.
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No agreement needed
If Hart hits a homerun I won’t be able to stop myself from at least soiling my pants.
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by SRB on Oct 4, 2008 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Ummmm Corey...
Anyone catch this gem of a quote from Thursday?
“Nothing is working right now with a lot of the guys,” Hart said. “We’re trying to see pitches and see what we can do. … I’m not going to sit there and walk, though. I’ll eventually find it, and hopefully we’ll still be in it.”
I, for one, think this is a good plan.
And neck size to baby eating ratio.
oh my
Yes, that would suck if you got on base Corey. I would much rather see you generate alternative energy like a windmill.
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two responses
a) if he figures out how to literally “sit there and walk,” I’ll be impressed.
b) as the wise man once said, “you can’t take a walk if you always swing the bat.”
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Oct 4, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
How's he going to find it if they're not still in it?
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Horrible, horrible batting approach
If the pitcher isn’t giving you pitches to hit, you take them and walk.
A walk is more productive than an out.
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Two quick notes:
1) I’m not going to participate in today’s game thread. I was here for game 1 and 2 (after not being here for most of the season), and we saw how games 1 and 2 turned out. So I’m departing once I finish this message.
2) I’m baking pumpkin bars right now.
Enjoy your game day, folks! Cue the Rally Lobster!
I don't specifically articulate my motives, because that wouldn't travel as well as a boo does.
Lobster!

I don't specifically articulate my motives, because that wouldn't travel as well as a boo does.
Man,
I generally don’t like small dogs, but I love the Rally Lobster.
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by Dikembe Meiztombo on Oct 4, 2008 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I wonder if he's upset
That Vinny Rottino isn’t around for those anymore.
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Was that a 55-foot swinging strike?
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Yep.
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by Dikembe Meiztombo on Oct 4, 2008 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Good Bushie?
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by Dikembe Meiztombo on Oct 4, 2008 5:42 PM CDT reply actions
That’s like half the game for Brewers pitchers
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by SRB on Oct 4, 2008 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Starting lineup for Moyer's first career start against Milwaukee
Molitor, DH
Gantner, 2B
Yount, CF
Deer, RF
Braggs, LF
Sheffield, SS
Meyer, 1B
Polidor, 3B
O’Brien C
That was on April 19, 1989. Moyer gave up one run in 6 1/3 IP and got the win.
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Man he's old
Moyer was drafted out of college only two years after the 1982 season.
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by SRB on Oct 4, 2008 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Guh. What an unproductive plate appearance.
He just sat there and walked.
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 4, 2008 5:47 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Hah
Five balls in a row so Billy felt the need to swing.
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Question for TheJay
How many playoff games has the opposing SP been older than the manager?
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I don't know
But the last time was probably last year when Curt Schilling faced the Indians in Game 6 of the ALCS.
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Wow
Can you say cheesy?
"Brett Favre looks like a man in a parking lot playing with boys." - John Madden
"Pujols just unloaded." - Bob Uecker
I think my IQ dropped while I watched that.
I have an unreasonable dislike of Bill Hall.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 5, 2008 7:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Is it bad that I summed up the scores on the scoreboard to see if they were really down by one?
Gotta stay sane, somehow.
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He watched two balls go by
Baby steps.
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Even the one called strike is progress
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by SRB on Oct 4, 2008 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't misunderstand us, Corey.
The reason we didn’t boo you isn’t because you don’t suck royally. It’s because your teammates, knowing there was no chance in hell you’d get a clutch hit, decided to make sure they did instead.
I know I'm an outsider and really shouldn't scrutinize Sveum's moves
but … why is Bill Hall batting 2nd?
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I don't think anyone knows
Other than Dale Sveum.
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Triaitchphobia
He has an irrational fear of seeing three consecutive ’H’s in the batting order.
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by SRB on Oct 4, 2008 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Awesome! That looked like a Brewers inning.
Could’ve sworn that was Fielder followed by Hardy, Hart and Counsell.
What's with all the babies?
Gagne earlier this year, Lamb right after the season, Cameron yesterday, and Sabathia in a couple weeks.
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Joe Simpson
Usually a Braves announcer
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Holy shit, another walk.
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by Dikembe Meiztombo on Oct 4, 2008 6:25 PM CDT reply actions
To use a football term
it looks so far like the Brewers game-planned for Moyer perfectly.
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 4, 2008 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions
does 620 webcast?
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by Dikembe Meiztombo on Oct 4, 2008 6:27 PM CDT reply actions
TBS scroll
I think they’re playing at
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Hardy
I know he hates it, but he’s got to be a #8 hitter here. Gotta clear the pitcher Corey Hart for next inning.
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Even when he does something right
He screws it up.
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Maybe Corey needs to cut the head off a live chicken
dude has to have a curse or hex on him.
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Hi
My name is Corey Hart. I used to be Deke’s favorite baseball player. Now, I’m completely fucking worthless.
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by Dikembe Meiztombo on Oct 4, 2008 6:46 PM CDT reply actions

Gameday vainly trying to give Corey the benefit of the doubt.
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If the Crew wins tonight
and someone hits Corey’s knee with a pipe tonight, I don’t know anything about that.
/ Gillooly’d
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America loves a redemption story
Josh Hamilton turning to drugs, then returning to dominate this year; Brett Favre breaking his addiction to painkillers and alcohol; Ulysses S. Grant failing at about a billion things before becoming the winning Union general; Abe Lincoln losing election after election before becoming a great President.
Soon to be added to the annals: Corey Hart playing like crap before driving in the winning run (Craig Counsell, of course) in game 5 of the 2008 NLDS.
C. Magruder scored, R. Weeks to second on balk
Or Dale Sveum finally benching Hart in Game 5
(Sorry Corey.)
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by SRB on Oct 4, 2008 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions
The only I want to see that scenario
Is the 25th inning when every other pinch hitting option has been used…including Todd Coffey hitting in blue jeans.
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 4, 2008 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I promise you all...
…if the Brewers lose this series I will fight Corey Hart at some point in my life. He will undoubtedly beat my ass, but if I land 1 punch to his stupid face it will be worth it,
What's with all the inaccuracy tonight
Gameday’s always a little iffy, but now Rotoworld confused Rickie Weeks with Bill Hall.
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you would think
they would have the best crew on for the postseason
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It's all over the place, for both teams
Not sure who this umpire is, but I think he sucks.
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by SRB on Oct 4, 2008 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Seriously
There’ve been a ton of “strikes” below the knees today
C. Magruder scored, R. Weeks to second on balk
Counsell
He’s had more plate appearances against lefties in this series than he had in all of September.
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Defense, maybe
I was wondering the same thing.
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Setting up for the bases loaded a couple innings later.
Half a league, half a league, half a league onward, all in the valley of death rode the Brewer's bullpen.
by nuclearbrewer on Oct 4, 2008 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
This is just my opinion, but
the defensive upgrade isn’t worth the offensive downgrade b/w Durham and Counsell.
Durham isn’t a Dan Uggla type in the field. He can play decent defense.
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Matchup?
Counsell is 1 for 1 vs. Moyer, Durham has much more matchups, but is hitting .205 over 41 PAs.
Hardly matters now, though.
C. Magruder scored, R. Weeks to second on balk
Former Brewer
Matt Stairs replaces him.
Anyone know if former Packer/Brewer Geoff Favre is on the playoff roster for the Phils? I saw him in the dugout.
C. Magruder scored, R. Weeks to second on balk
He's listed as an available bench player on Gameday
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I suppose that makes sense
Their bullpen has pitched all of what? 2 or 3 innings in the last 6 days?
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 4, 2008 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Ex-Brewer Matt Stairs pinch hitting
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TBS
has the potential game 4 starters as Soup for the Crew and TBA for the Phils
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I'd rather see Yo back on short rest.
But that’s just me. And I somewhat don’t like Soup.
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"And I somewhat don’t like Soup."
I think you’re far more positive about him than most around here.
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Cameron
Finally justifies the “he’s good at going from first to third” reason for signing him?
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Counsell is the best bases loaded hitter???
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by Dikembe Meiztombo on Oct 4, 2008 7:27 PM CDT reply actions
this ump is terrible
but he has been terrible for both teams so I guess I cannot bitch
But I will lol
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It's kind of sad that Craig Counsell's batted enough to be hitting .125 for the series
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That should be a catch
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by Dikembe Meiztombo on Oct 4, 2008 7:34 PM CDT reply actions
Not his fault. That was a fucking catch
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by Dikembe Meiztombo on Oct 4, 2008 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions
That Fucking Picnic area
I have been raging against that fucking place since they built it
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Not likely. It is baseball afterall.
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by Dikembe Meiztombo on Oct 4, 2008 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure
You have to keep the ball in your glove PERIOD. If it falls out you didnt catch it.
He wasnt trying to throw it so there was no transfer
You’re the worst.
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by Dikembe Meiztombo on Oct 4, 2008 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions
OK
It is not a catch, however, if simultaneously or immediately following his contact with the ball, he collides with a player, or with a wall, or if he falls down, and as a result of such collision or falling, drops the ball.
Just being fair dude,. If that was the other way around everyone would be saying “no catch”
Fuck fairness.
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by Dikembe Meiztombo on Oct 4, 2008 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions
According to the official rules a catch is
A CATCH is the act of a fielder in getting secure possession in his hand or glove of
a ball in flight and firmly holding it; providing he does not use his cap, protector, pocket or
any other part of his uniform in getting possession. It is not a catch, however, if
simultaneously or immediately following his contact with the ball, he collides with a player,
or with a wall, or if he falls down, and as a result of such collision or falling, drops the ball.
It is not a catch if a fielder touches a fly ball which then hits a member of the offensive team
or an umpire and then is caught by another defensive player. If the fielder has made the
catch and drops the ball while in the act of making a throw following the catch, the ball shall
be adjudged to have been caught. In establishing the validity of the catch, the fielder shall
hold the ball long enough to prove that he has complete control of the ball and that his
release of the ball is voluntary and intentional.
Never mind
We don’t need no stinking rules.
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 4, 2008 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions
So a guy can catch the 3rd out, start trotting in with it, drop it, and its not an out?
Fuck baseball.
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by Dikembe Meiztombo on Oct 4, 2008 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions
No, it would be an out
Because in that case he would not have collided with anyone or anything.
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Okay...
So he trips and falls whilst trotting in…
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by Dikembe Meiztombo on Oct 4, 2008 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions
If it was right after catching the ball
But if he took a couple steps and then fell, it’s still an out because he didn’t fall down immediately.
Hart didn’t come up with the ball after hitting the ground. Oh well.
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explain
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by Dikembe Meiztombo on Oct 4, 2008 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
He can get out of jams. I don’t see him giving up more than 1 run here, and Brewers have a 3-0 lead.
He’s only thrown 70 pitches.
The Brewers bullpen (no offense) is not that great. Especially with GagMe and others.
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Agreed
He’s only at about 70 pitches, I think. And he’s not shown signs of faltering.
C. Magruder scored, R. Weeks to second on balk
But then Bush and McClung have gotten the short end of the stick
for pretty much the entire season. But that’s JMO.
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No
It’s BA, Joe Simpson (Braves announcer), and John Smoltz.
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Is Villanueva going to bat?
His spot is up second in the bottom of the inning.
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my guess is no they are treating this like a game 7
but you all know how little I know lol
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I just don't get why you'd use one of your better relievers for one batter
Why not let Gagne face Burrell and then save Villanueva for the seventh. Sigh.
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Hopefully, yes. Again, horrible idea to pull Bush.
Keep McClung for tomorrow with capability to go deep relief. especially with Soup pitching.
Do NOT let Gagne pitch in this game.
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dude its Dave Bush
He gives up a homer now and then. The hitters have all seen him tonight. Howard who has been scorching the ball was up. Great idea to get him out.
I'd much rather see Bush in the 6th
than Gagne or Mota anywhere in the game.
But that’s just my opinion.
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Maybe the Wisconsin band can cheer you up?
Er…oops.
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based on the last week or so Torres worries me the most
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Hopefully having to run the bases doesn't mess him up though
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Cameron watches Villy's approach and says...
… “hey, I can do that!”
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 4, 2008 7:54 PM CDT reply actions
Cameron
Been on base four times tonight
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Pretty much need a fourth to score
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Does TV turn down the crowd volume?
I have been in Miller Park when it was rocking you would think it would sound louder
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Brett Favre enters
I hope he still gets a cheer – then strikes out
C. Magruder scored, R. Weeks to second on balk
Anyone from Oshkosh?
And know a good bar to go to and watch the brewers and packers play tomorrow since we aren’t getting FOX on Time Warner right now
Who is this team and what did they do with the Brewers
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Scratch that
“just throw the ball”
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Eyre's still in
Gotta neutralize the threat that is Craig Counsell, I guess.
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The "best" part about Hart bunting
Is that it brings up a lefty vs. lefty matchup.
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How screwed up is it that we're happy to see it?
Is what I’m getting at.
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Have to love the bottom of the order getting the job done
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Wow
Counsell and Kendall delivered a run? Live and die by the long ball, my ass.
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They were both actually swinging for the fences
That’s just all the power they can muster.
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by SRB on Oct 4, 2008 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions
To face a LHP even
If Yost was managing this inning, he might not survive. :)
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rough schedule
Mich-Ohio State-PSU is brutal. At least the last 2 are at home and at night.
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Kendrick's not on their playoff roster
I don’t think.
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Blanton may or may not pitch Sunday:
Joe Blanton is ready to pitch Sunday. Never mind there might not be a game. Or that Philadelphia Phillies manager Charlie Manuel won’t say for sure whether Blanton is getting the ball if there is. “I’m just approaching it like there is a game,” the right-hander said before Saturday’s NL playoff game against the Milwaukee Brewers. With a 2-0 lead in the best-of-five series, the Phillies had a chance to close it out at Miller Park on Saturday and advance to their first NL championship series since 1993. Though the Brewers announced Jeff Suppan would start Sunday’s game, if needed, Manuel has held off identifying his starter. “Joe Blanton is our fourth starter,” Manuel said. “Right now, we’re concentrating on winning this game. I know we’re two up, and tonight could finish it if we win. But we came to the ballpark to win tonight, and that’s the way we’ve been doing it every day. I might be getting boring, but I want to stick to that way.”
Question do you bring Gagne back
If he would sign for a much much smaller amount?
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I think he's worth $2-4 million
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by SRB on Oct 4, 2008 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions
With those numbers, no.
If he didn’t have that contract, he would have been DFA’d.
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Torres?
I would have put in a lefty here. But then again, Sveum took out Bush before I would have and left Villanueva in to bat, and they both worked great.
C. Magruder scored, R. Weeks to second on balk
Actually, a lefty
Then a PH and a switch hitter, so if you brought Shouse in he’d see one lefty and two righties.
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Odd bit of knowledge
at this very moment there are not one but two Blimps flying the Wisconsin skies
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How can Dale bring in Torres
He has been just terrible all September it is like Yost is still the manager
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I am going back to the Wisconsin game let me know how it ends
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I can't believe Counsell is still standing
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wow
Would Neddie have gotten that one?
by rob deer's moustache will destroy us all on Oct 4, 2008 9:09 PM CDT reply actions
I can imagine what is going on over a the Philly version of BCB
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Dale Sveum,
master debater. Gets the 2 outs & the run off the board. 3rd out as I type this. The Brewers play on!!!
Miller Park
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by molitorfan on Oct 4, 2008 9:12 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
lol...
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 4, 2008 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions
You guys sticking around or is there a post game thread
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Feliz even manages to avoid getting charged with grounding into a double play
Rule 10.02(a)(17) Comment: The official scorer should not charge a batter with grounding into a double play if the batter-runner is called out due to interference by a preceding runner.
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Baseball tonight will have fun with that one
Dodgers already have runners on 1st and third excellent
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If anyone wants the rule book explanation of what happened:
INTERFERENCE
(a) Offensive interference is an act by the team at bat which interferes with, obstructs, impedes, hinders or confuses any fielder attempting to make a play. If the umpire declares the batter, batter-runner, or a runner out for interference, all other runners shall return to the last base that was in the judgment of the umpire, legally touched at the time of the interference, unless otherwise provided by these rules.
Rule 2.00 (Interference) Comment: In the event the batter-runner has not reached first base, all runners shall return to the base last occupied at the time of the pitch.
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Agreed, even though the Howard's run and the runner that went back to 2nd...
… didn’t really mean all that much given the 3 run lead. It took a few minutes for Glavine, BA et al to figure out what was going on.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 4, 2008 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
anybody watching the game?
Gameday says Russel Martin doubled on a groundabll to Theriot… that seems kind of difficult
The ball rolled into the tarp, stuck for a second, and rolled back out.
The ball was ruled in play, so Theriot ran out and picked it up to hold Martin at 2nd.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 4, 2008 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I could make a fortune selling rope to Cubs fans
They lose tonight they will all off themselves lol
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Is it wrong that I would really enjoy...
… the Cubs being eliminated at least a game earlier than the Brewers?
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 4, 2008 9:34 PM CDT reply actions
That would be all kinds of awesome...
… but I’m taking it a day at a time at this point. If that scenario did happen, and the Cubs were eliminated tonight, the Dodgers would have a looooong layoff before the NLCS.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 4, 2008 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions
If I see that stupid Sprint ad one more time
I think I am going to go nuts
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This has been a great day so far
I got my new pimped out AK back from the gunsmith and the Brewers make it to game for
Shudder I need a cold shower
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Especially considering how the bullpen has been doing.
We've got uniforms and everything, it's really great!
I'll be shocked if Manny Parra doesn't make an appearance as well.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 4, 2008 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Defense--that's a good topic about which to talk baseball
Isn’t it?
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Nothing clearly, apparently :)
Don’t mind me.
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I know
Didn’t some of them come over here after the Cubs beat the Brewers to “talk baseball?” I was trying to say that if anyone wanted to go to the other BCB and “talk baseball” tonight, defense would be a good topic.
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Man Ram gets the Prince Fielder treatment from Sweet Lou
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Well Wisconsins season is over
Did I mention I hate Allen Evridge
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Weird
If you take Harden’s two strikeouts away, all of his outs have come on flyballs or popups. The Dodgers pitcher, Kuroda, has recorded every out on ground balls.
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Lou looks like a volcano about to blow
I wish I could hear him yelling at Soriano in Spanish last game – “show some guts out there”
post-game thread
is finally up. if y’all want to move the cubs/dodgers talk to a less clogged thread.
Also, cheese.

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