Game Thread #166: Phillies (2-1) at Brewers (1-2)
by Jeff Sackmann on Oct 5, 2008 11:00 AM CDT
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PrintPhiladelphia Phillies at Milwaukee Brewers, Oct 5, 2008 12:07 PM CDT
Hey, if nothing else, we outlasted the Cubs, right?
But we can do better! We can push the series back to Philly, find out if CC has anything left in the tank, and--most importantly of all--make me considerably poorer in my effort to see every possible postseason game. (Yeah!)
The pitching matchup this afternoon is Jeff Suppan vs. Joe Blanton. It raises the question: If good pitching beats good hitting, what happens today? I'm choosing to have faith in Supp's postseason mojo but, having said that, I'm also choosing to believe that Cameron is bringing his running shoes.
Game time is 12:07 CT, and here's the BR Game Preview.
I still really mean it: GO BREWERS!
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Less than one hour to first pitch
Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Brewers
Let me spell it for you Cub fans O N E H U N D R E D A N D O N E Y E A R S
Go Brewers!!!
If we can get the ball back to CC, I will build a shrine to the Baseball Gods (and The Great Pumpkin too, of course)
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
You never want to piss off the great pumpkin
I know a guy who did, 3 days later.. BAM!!! Herpes
I just sit back and root for the taser
In case people haven't gone through the Frosty Mug
Weeks is off the roster:
Ash said Weeks will need surgery to repair the flap tear of cartilage in the knee, so he’s probably out for the rest of the post-season anyway.
Alcides Escobar replaces him. Supposedly he was picked over Joe Dillon because of his versatility which seems strange, but whatever.
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maybe by verastility
they mean speed
by Oakland Brewer Fan on Oct 5, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Poor, Slow Joe
He should start a rumor that his name is pronounced dee-lo-nay.
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Better question:
Is anyone NOT worried about the Soup?
Go Brewers.
I have an unreasonable dislike of Bill Hall.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 5, 2008 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
hey, the phillies are countering with a guy with a losing record this season with a higher ERA than soups!!
should be a run fest. I see lots of calisthenics in my future.
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by PagsBrewCrew on Oct 5, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Hell yes. I still wonder if he is hiding some injury. But Sveum has a quick hook and if he blows it will be a bullpen day.
Hell No!!
We have McClung waiting in the wings. What’s the worst that Soup can do? And Soup better put one right in Victorino’s earhole at the first opportunity.
by Getting Yosted on Oct 5, 2008 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Thunderstix given out at the ballpark
It’ll be loud.
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son of a beesting
i only got a rally towel
"Cubs fans boo again – 99% of these people can’t see the plate." -Ueck
This is an epic war of Grit vs. Flair
Durham, Counsell, Kendall, et al. vs. Rollins, Utley, Victorino, et al.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
Utley
Second time in two games he’s unsuccessfully tried to sell that he was hit by a pitch.
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yep
we need a return of the long ball at some point here…. we can’t win a five game series with no HRs
by keephopealive on Oct 5, 2008 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Very good thing
Gets him out earlier.
Philly pen got plenty of mileage yesterday.
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no, i know
I was just joking because Blanton is no super-hero
by keephopealive on Oct 5, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
At this exact second I don't know who pisses me off more
Ben Sheets for not being there when we need him most or Melvin for giving Suppan $42 million for no good reason.
Cause Ben Sheets is incapable of giving up a run in the first inning?
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OK
Hart is my hero. His play since the all-star break is not cringe-inducing.
And the Suppan contract was awesome. He has been great, as expected, and deserves his $42 million.
As far as Hardy goes, I will never complain when someone plays like a one-armed blind man again.
I vote Melvin
He knew Soup was mediocre and was coming off a career year when signing him.
And Sveum for letting him pitch a must-win game over Yovani. And no, this isn’t hindsight.
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look on the bright side
Soup’s ERA has fallen from infinite to 6.75 over the past twenty minutes
by keephopealive on Oct 5, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
No matter what ol Pete tries to sell me it was a horrible signing any way you slice it.
Simply put, no one deserves $10.5 million/year to win 10 games and have a 5.00 era and terrible WHIP.
That said, F Sheets too, ha.
When have I ever defended Suppan? We know you hate Melvin, you hate Suppan, you hate Sheets, you are willing to go to prison to assault Hart and you have intense hatred for JJ.
We get it.
Sorry
I didn’t realize you were so sensitive to player criticism.
1. I dont hate Melvin but Suppan siging was bad.
2. Ive defended Sheets so much over the past 4 years but him missing the postseason was the last straw.
3. Hart deserves a SEVERE beating
4. Hardy had a terrible series vs the Cubs and I called him out for it.
Sue me.
Called him out
15 times, you mean.
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However, in defense of Melvin
he DID indeed get a pitcher who pitched as well as Zito for a fraction of the cost, as people at the time of the signing were saying.
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I'm really sorry
Hart is my hero. His play since the all-star break is not cringe-inducing.
And the Suppan contract was awesome. He has been great, as expected, and deserves his $42 million.
As far as Hardy goes, I will never complain when someone plays like a one-armed blind man again.
Lets just put this behind us.
next year
In order to level the playing field, Pat Burrell will get to use a Segway to round the bases.
by rob deer's moustache will destroy us all on Oct 5, 2008 12:35 PM CDT reply actions
i'm betting there'll be a McClung sitting before all is said and done
"Cubs fans boo again – 99% of these people can’t see the plate." -Ueck
Barely any time to comment on that half inning.
Ichiro, on facing Daisuke Matsuzaka for the first time: "I hope he arouses the fire that's dormant in the innermost recesses of my soul."
I'll do a post-inning comment
for all the complaining about Suppan, it’s our bats that have killed us this series. We have zero homers, and have made Hamels, Myers and now Blanton look like Cy Young material
by keephopealive on Oct 5, 2008 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Joe Blanton can be pretty erratic
Please do not swing at the first pitch.
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the patience needs to come back
"Cubs fans boo again – 99% of these people can’t see the plate." -Ueck
maybe soup just needed to get back in the swing of things
"Cubs fans boo again – 99% of these people can’t see the plate." -Ueck
Oh well
Guess the pre-pitch conversation between Kendall & Suppan backfired.
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Oh well
If we can’t manage to score 4+ runs off Blanton, then we’re not going to win either way
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
well
if we ever needed the bats to come alive
by Oakland Brewer Fan on Oct 5, 2008 1:06 PM CDT reply actions
Ouch....
Well, at least its better when a pitcher does it than when an actual hitter does.
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I don't understand
If Gallardo is coming in to pitch a few innings anyways, why didn’t he just start???
Sigh.
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I hear ya
Suppan does have some decent post season numbers. But did anyone think he would pitch well coming off a terrible september and 9 days of rest?
Dear Brewers,
Stop hacking away at the first pitch like it will be the last pitch you will ever see. Seriously, you’re starting to look like the Cubs out there today.
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If its a good pitch, yes you hit it.
But swinging at the first pitch and exhibiting general bad plate discipline— bad.
Now with 100% more Canuck.
Strategy
Tell Prince his dad lost the first playoff series he was in – that’ll wake up his bat. That combined with Craig Counsell’s desire to go an entire career without losing a playoff series should bring them back.
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Ha.
I have an unreasonable dislike of Bill Hall.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 5, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
good thing
he didn’t start. Then we might actually be in this game.
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doesn't actually look like we plan to score any runs though
by keephopealive on Oct 5, 2008 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
nope
We are making Joe Blanton look awesome. Time to start drinking. And by start I mean continue.
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well
Corey didn’t swing at the first pitch, so things might be turning around.
by rob deer's moustache will destroy us all on Oct 5, 2008 1:36 PM CDT reply actions
Uh
The pinwheeling no-chance swing at a 2-2 changeup disagrees
That was weird
Good play by the gritster at third.
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A TRUE big game pitcher
is getting it done right now. And got it done yesterday.
Melvin, any future Brewers managerial candidate, are you taking notes?
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So for those of you keeping track...
Suppan gets nine outs while allowing eight runners and three homers
Gallardo gets nine outs while allowing a bloop single
Ok.
I wasn’t too crazy about the Suppan start either, but to me the more inexplicable move is the Sabathia pinch hit with one out and the bases empty a couple innings back. I love the guy, but we needed base runners, not a giant pitcher swinging for the fences with no one on.
I have an unreasonable dislike of Bill Hall.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 5, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably didn't want to burn a bench player that quickly
If they made a game of it those guys would be needed down the road. If Sabathia got on, a pitcher (Bush?) would likely have run for him.
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I guess I see that logic. I don't agree with it, but I see the point.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 5, 2008 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Need Durham to get on
then Braun or Prince can make it a 3 run game. Please.
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wow
I have a feeling that slogan won’t be on the front of the 2008 Brewers DVD
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by molitorfan on Oct 5, 2008 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice.
I have an unreasonable dislike of Bill Hall.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 5, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Jeff Suppan was the big white flag.
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by Blicks on Oct 5, 2008 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
Of course, I’ve just had to ride in a car with my mother for an hour and the entire time she was complaining that McClung should have got the start…no matter how much I agree, I really didn’t want to hear it for an hour.
Everyone seemed confused about the inning being over
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i'm wondering why gallardo didn't start
"Cubs fans boo again – 99% of these people can’t see the plate." -Ueck
He’s like the anti-Curt Schilling or something. (His stuff only works in the playoffs half the time?)
Hmmm
Does Curt Schilling’s stuff not work in the playoffs half the time? :)
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
Actually, yes.
Of course, Suppan hasn’t had his ankle come apart on him during the DS (2004) or pitched on a bad shoulder during an entire series with a bad shoulder (2007). He’s more Schilling c. 1993 except for the fact that Schilling could go 9. Ugggh.
excuse the redundancies, this treecat is currently trying to settle an argument over garage sale pricing. at least it is not an argument about Seth McClung. Also arrrgh.
How much would Seth McClung go for at a garage sale?
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No matter what happens the rest of the way...
… it’s been a lot of fun this year.
I have an unreasonable dislike of Bill Hall.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 5, 2008 2:09 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
and at least we lasted longer than the cubs
"Cubs fans boo again – 99% of these people can’t see the plate." -Ueck
Regardless of what the Cubs did or didn't do
It was a good season.
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Agreed.
But I do enjoy the fact that we’re playing today and the Cubs aren’t. Just a little.
I have an unreasonable dislike of Bill Hall.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 5, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
PS
There are so many people bitching about Suppan I assume you have gone through 5 boxes of Kleenex crying about it.
you really are retarded - go try and find me defending Suppan
Try and find me being a Melvin fanboy.
You won’t. Of course I don’t post endlessly about the players I don’t like or have a tantrum whenever they perform poorly.
Sorry
I know you cant handle it emotoinally when I pick on a player for having a TERRIBLE series.
I will forever give every single player in MLB a free pass for bad play. Especially when the playoffs are on the line.
I am really, really sorry.
Corey Hart is my hero, by the way.
yeah there is nothing between those two extremes
but don’t ignore my post with more petulance. Go ahead and lets hear about my Suppan and Melvin love.
don't run away
let’s have something to back up the bullshit. Where are all the posts I made to support Suppan and Melvin. There is a search engine.
And then you can stalk Corey Hart and smash his face. Wasn’t that what you said you were going to do?
Interesting
But i have never said you defend those guys. I only say you seem to attack ME and no one else who calls them out,
Read through all the posts. There are plenty of people calling Suppan a jerk. Yet you only get mad when I say something.
So I am sorry you cant handle MY comments.
And yes, I am going to slap Hart if I ever see him, hopefully when he is having dinner.
you're full of shit
so how did you do with your search? Nothing, so you change the story. Your dizzy little claim that I only complain about your Suppan comments is nonsense.
And slapping someone isn’t smashing their face. You wouldn’t do either one if he was standing next to you of course.
ha.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 5, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Random fact
Cecil Fielder once started a game at third base. He and Kelly Gruber switched between second and third throughout the game.
box score
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What the hell...
… did Fielder ever actually field a ball at 2nd, or 3rd?
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 5, 2008 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
In that game he was invovled in a 1-4 bunt out and caught a pop up while playing 2nd
In his career at third, he had 1 putout, 2 assists, and an error (.750 FP) in 9 2/3 innings over seven games.
In his career at second he had a putout and an assist with no errors in two games.
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Hah
His error at third (in the top of the ninth inning here) came immediately after the Blue Jays’ catcher made an error on a foul ball. Doug DeCinces had a charmed at bat.
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Maybe
Keeping a gritty signal-caller in for the last two innings of a four-run deficit is less important than scoring more runs.
What an unproductive way to advance a runner.
But still got the job done.
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Detroit was obviously invigorated by the Matt Millen firing
by keephopealive on Oct 5, 2008 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
btw, it is a shame
nobody’s bat showed up for the playoffs, like Molitor’s always did (Milwaukee and Toronto)
by keephopealive on Oct 5, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Molitor
Had an OPS of 1.050 over 29 career playoff games.
by keephopealive on Oct 5, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
The Brewers didn't hit well in the 1981 playoffs, either
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I was ten years old, but I'm still confused
why the Yankees had home field advantage for that series, when the Brewers had the better record
by keephopealive on Oct 5, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
On the bright side
This is shaping up to be the best four-game stretch of bullpen pitching in Brewers history.
man
after Nebraska’s showing last night you should have been lying low! :)
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Don't remind me.
If both the Brewers and Packers lose, this is going to be a brutal weekend.
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 5, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I hear ya
luckily I went to PSU but they go to Wisconsin and Ohio State for Saturday night prime time games so I am not optimistic. By the way, you guys still owe us a game from 1994.
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I wasn't a Husker fan then
In 1994, as a Badgers fan, I was on your side of that one. I feel like Penn State should at least be able to claim that year as a co-national championship.
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 5, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I like the way you think!
Either way, if PSU wins their games this year they will get a shot. But a brutal schedule coming up with Wis, Mich, and OSU.
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The scariest of those three is definitely OSU.
Though Wisconsin’s going to go into the PSU game knowing a win there is the only way to salvage their season.
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 5, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
yes
OSU is healthy and my sporting luck is not too high right now. And a wounded badger is dangerous.
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I'd really like to see PSU take the Big Ten.
So sick of Ohio State embarrassing the conference. Time let someone else take that role. (And I say this as a Big Ten fan.)
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 5, 2008 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
The white flag was already up, it just had to be raised even higher.
by Mota.
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Free agents/trades
Who do you want?
Ive read Jake Peavy is available. I would unload a bunch f talent for him. His contract is beyond reasonable and he is worth it.
ol Pete
We should be celebrating the Brewers successes this year instead of bickering.
It was a great year.
2 playoff games in Miller Park.
Lucky
If he had hit a HR or something, there’d be more talk about how you can have three lefties in the pen and not have one of them warm there.
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6-2, one inning to go
luckily, we got Braun and Prince out of the way in the last inning.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
Kendall in position for the game-tying grand slam
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you know what this sets up perfectly?
Corey Hart’s redemption
C. Magruder scored, R. Weeks to second on balk
Selective statistics
Hey, if you ignore the 3.0 IP by Suppan, we’re actually winning this game!
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pressure
just as its easier for a starter to pitch up 5, it’s easier for relievers pitch down 5… sorry to rain on your silver lining though
by keephopealive on Oct 5, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Rally Lobster!
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
I hope someone gets on base
Having Kendall get out to end the season would seem fitting.
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was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor!!?
by keephopealive on Oct 5, 2008 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
It'd be funny if Lidge blew this lead
Since it’s not a save situation
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Final pitcher: Mota, Final batter: Kendall?
Oof
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by SRB on Oct 5, 2008 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I've switched positions on the couch
Our Feng Shui should be aligned now
C. Magruder scored, R. Weeks to second on balk
I have a feeling
Corey Hart is going to somehow single-handedly produced two outs with nobody on base, ending the season.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
And he didn't get thrown out!
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by SRB on Oct 5, 2008 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm going to go with
Late slide into first off a dropped third strike
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by SRB on Oct 5, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Ah well
It was fun. I didn’t expect to make it even this far.
C. Magruder scored, R. Weeks to second on balk
all right
Today I become a Phillies’ fan, because when people talk about our season years from now I want them to say that we lost to the “eventual world champion Philadelphia Phillies”.
by rob deer's moustache will destroy us all on Oct 5, 2008 3:02 PM CDT reply actions
they are in their prime
almost everyone in that lineup is 28-30
by keephopealive on Oct 5, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
As they said on TV
They might not be able to bring Pat the Bat Burrell back because they have so many players reaching arbitration.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
Dodgers-Phillies should be interesting
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yes
I don’t hate either team in the NLCS. At least we don’t have to listen to the Cubs fans.
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Good year guys
it was fun, except when it wasn’t.
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by molitorfan on Oct 5, 2008 3:02 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Ahhh, nuts
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
we have a good history
of following up losses in the divisional round with an even better year
by keephopealive on Oct 5, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
*sigh*
They did well, for the most part, and everyone got hurt at the end of the season so I’m surprised they even got this far, but…sigh
2009, pls?
the brightest side
a full year in 2009 sans Ned
For old times sake AKA masochism, you could listen to him explain how Suppan pitched a good game but just left a couple pitches up.
Not a disapointing end
If you told me we would get to see four playoff games a few weeks ago, I’d be thrilled.
Should be an exciting offseason!
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
great year! hopefully we're back next year!
"Cubs fans boo again – 99% of these people can’t see the plate." -Ueck
My mom...
…just said “will the people on the internet stop ragging on Kendall and Counsell?”
So I’m posting it here.
No, she likes Hart.
Really. I had to get seats in right field when I was at MP earlier last month. ^^;;;;
I wouldn't count on it.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
I don't know
I bet I bitch about Kendall a lot less during the month of December. Unless the grit he leaves in my chimney prevents Santa from delivering my rally lobster bobblehead.
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by molitorfan on Oct 5, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Me too, actually
His offense might not be very good, but I doubt we’ll ever get a solidly offensive catcher until Salome/Lucroy is ready.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
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