Yankees Overbidding for Sabathia?
The New York Yankees reportedly offered free agent left-hander CC Sabathia the biggest pitching contract in major-league history Friday, which drew a somewhat puzzled response from Milwaukee Brewers general manager Doug Melvin.
"It sounds like they're overbidding," Melvin said. "If the speculation is true that we've offered CC $100 million, why would you offer $140 million? Why wouldn't you offer $110 million?"
That's from today's Milwaukee Journal Sentinal. I'm not sure what Doug Melvin's point is here. At first glance, he comes off as a whiny, small-market GM. As always, though, there are a few ways to look at what he said:
- Melvin's initial offer was more than $100 million, but that number was leaked to try and get other teams to go under the Brewers' offer. The Yankees' offer shattered those plans.
- Melvin is upset that this deal might make it that much harder for the Brewers to go after any other free agent pitchers this winter.
- Melvin is frustrated at the way this unfolded, was venting, and it came out poorly. Which leads to...
- Melvin was joking around. Tom Haudricourt said there would a Melvin joke about the Yankees overbidding somewhere in today's story.
Feel free to add your own more logical reasons below. Here's more detail on mine.
First up, the idea Melvin was trying to undermine other teams. I'm sure Melvin feels his offer is a decent one that isn't much below market value. At the same time, he realizes that the Brewers clearly have an upper limit on what they can afford to offer. By leaking his offer is around $100 million for five years, Melvin may have been trying to keep other teams' initial offers in the $120-130 million for six years range. If the Brewers' real offer was closer to $105-110 million for five years, they would still be in the thick of things. At that point, Melvin could do the same thing he did when acquiring CC: give the other side a few days to come up with an answer, pointing out the deal is competitive and Milwaukee loves itself some Sabathia. Unfortunately, the Yankees' $140 million offer is above what the Brewers could match. Though not unexpected, it certainly wrecks the above plan. Furthermore, instead of Melvin confidently asking for an answer by next week, doing so now makes it look like he wants the misery to end sooner.
But maybe it's not really about Sabathia after all. If CC was willing to take the Brewers' offer, that would be great and Melvin wouldn't have to worry about the price of other good starting pitchers on the market. Even if he signed a similar deal with another team, the backup plans aren't going to cost much more than what he figured. However, if CC signs a richer deal, that raises the cost of any other starter out there. If Plan B goes from $11-12 million per season to $15 million, that hurts the Brewers. In this scenario, Melvin could tolerate CC getting paid $20 million per year (whether by the Brewers or not). By jacking up CC's price by $3 million per season ("overbidding") on the first day of free agency, the starting pitcher market just got smaller for Milwaukee. Again not unexpected, but painful all the same.
Now let's turn to the frustration angle. It must be tough to be a small-market GM. One day you're ending a playoff drought that lasted more than a quarter-century and the next day half the team is exploring free agency. You know you can't sign everyone back (and, truthfully, you wouldn't offer to a couple guys), but you'd like to keep certain pieces. The fans are giddy in the wake of the playoffs and are seeing 30-flag trophies each season for the next decade. You know a good portion of those fans will stick around regardless. After all, they stayed when Scotty Pods was traded, they tolerated shipping Lyle Overbay to a different country, they understood the Carlos Lee trade, and they gave you the benefit of the doubt in the Cordero departure. But CC is different. In the eyes of millions, he's why you broke that playoff drought. If there's someone to keep around, it's CC. What's more, you think you've got a real chance to keep him. The owner is willing to open the checkbook, the guy seemed happy in Milwaukee, and you've got a competitive offer out there. Then the big boys step in, blow your offer out of the water, and reaffirm that you really didn't have a chance in the first place. While you're enjoying Quantum of Solace at the local moving picture show and feigning interest at the 34th mustache comb your grandkids bought you "just because," those fast talkers from New York wrecked your whole damn plan. Anyone would be frustrated.
So when the local beat reporter calls you to get your reaction to the New York offer, you darkly suggest they overbid. You realize this sounds like sour grapes and that's not the image you want out there, but at the same time you don't really want to hide how you feel. So you chuckle and try and say it was a joke. The reporter will understand, he's been around the game, he knows what's up. He'll get the idea it was a joke out there. You don't really think about it until Sunday, when you are perusing the reporter's Sunday column and you remember why he's not a comic. It's not a big deal though, life goes on, and he's still a decent guy. But wait! Now the quote has hit ESPN, and they aren't acting like you're joking at all. They make you seem like another of those whiny small-market GM's upset at the business aspect of today's game. Truthfully, you are, but you'll slowly back away from those comments in the days and weeks ahead. You'll lap up the sympathy from Brewers fans who will blame the Yankees for Sabathia leaving, not you. Right now, though, you're looking for Brian Shouse's phone number. They still like him, too. Just another day in Milwaukee...
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hard to say what the context and tone was
It does sound whiny in print.
It’d be interesting to know the years and terms involved of the offers were.
by ol Pete on Nov 16, 2008 3:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Brewer fans
I don’t think most Brewer fans think of CC as being different at all. I mean yes, his season will forever be part of Brewer legend, but I think most fans realize and have alwyas realized the signing Sabathia was/is just not going to happen. They have known it since the day he became a Brewer and while we always hold out an outside chance, the reality is what it is.
by badgermaniac on Nov 16, 2008 5:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
so you say no chance even if the dollars per year are the same or near?
Besides the personal considerations, NY has higher taxes than Wisconsin. Living costs are lower. If the mantra that money decides is the rule, taking a year or two shorter would most likely mean more money in the long run.
by ol Pete on Nov 16, 2008 6:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Your income tax argument might hold water
But the cost of living one doesn’t really, because regardless of where he signs, CC is most likely going to keep a permanent residence on the West Coast, and one would assume his family will live there.
Actually, if someone out there is better educated on income taxes than I am, can you tell me if CC’s permanent residence in Cali means he’d pay California income taxes regardless of which state he generates revenue in?
I don't specifically articulate my motives, because that wouldn't travel as well as a boo does.
by KLSnow on Nov 16, 2008 6:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he still has to live in NY. I can’t imagine that would be cheap.
The whole house here and job there thing is bound to be defined in the law and I don’t know the answer, but I’ll take a guess and say that if his place of employment is for more than half a year or so and he doesn’t commute, he would pay taxes in that jurisdiction. But which would be higher, Cali or NY? Regardless, I’m sure he can bump up their offer if he says I’ll sign if you pay.
I just don’t think its a foregone conclusion.
by ol Pete on Nov 16, 2008 6:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lets face it, the difference in cost of living would make a difference to you or I if we were choosing between the two places, but I can’t imagine it would make a difference to a guy who is choosing between somewhere where they are gonna pay you $20 million a year or $23-25 million a year. I don’t think the difference matters when you are getting that kind of pay.
I’m still holding out hope that we can sign him but I’m not optimistic.
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Nov 16, 2008 7:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure if this is what you mean
But if I understand it right, MLB players generally have to pay taxes to each state they play in during the year (the so-called “jock tax”) and then get a credit in their home state. Athletes don’t like it because there are so many different tax returns to file. Here’s a couple articles about it, though they might be outdated: ESPN.com, Sacramento Bee, Baltimore Business Journal.
Obscure baseball records and more at my blog, Recondite Baseball.
by TheJay on Nov 16, 2008 6:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wouldn't it be nice...
Dear CC,
Please come back to the Brewers for a reasonable price.
Love,
All of us
by theBrouhaha on Nov 16, 2008 6:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Seconded
Lordz Of Vengeance....If I'm not drunk, I'm at work.
I am also pro-Rodgers.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Nov 16, 2008 10:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I still maintain that we have the ability to sign CC
He really does like it here. If he’s as genuine as I think he is, helping a team make history and spend time with other great players and friends will mean more to him than the extra money – especially if he has a shorter contract.
"If loving CC is wrong I do not want to be right"
"If lovin’ Braun is wrong, I want to be a repeat offender"
by kirbir on Nov 16, 2008 7:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Can baseball please fix this
I would really like to see a team like the Brewers have a shot at signing someone like CC. As a fan I can get attached to players and find it depressing when reality sets in and the Brewers have no shot at resigning their best players. I am going to hate it when this happens with Braun in a few years.
by pjpaulus on Nov 16, 2008 7:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry about Braun
he’s a Brewer through 2015.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Nov 16, 2008 8:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That is such a reassuring thought.
So nice, so nice.
Eric Gagne DL time: May 23-June 29 Brewers record in that span: 20-9
by NoahJ on Nov 16, 2008 9:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Little known fact
After the 2010 season, the contract is for the other Ryan Braun.
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by TheJay on Nov 16, 2008 10:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
CC is a lost cause....
$140 million is too tempting. Even if he doesn’t go to NY, he’ll settle on a team that can get closer to that number than the Brewers can. Besides the player’s union probably won’t stand for their top FA taking 15% to 20% less money to stay at a small market team to try and win a championship. Not for 5 years. It would set too big of a precedent.
by Safebet222 on Nov 17, 2008 6:33 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
1. It’s CC’s call whether he takes a specific contract offer or not. Fuck the union.
2. CC taking the Brewers’ offer wouldn’t set a precedent. The objective of FA will still be, and always will be, go get whatever the biggest dollar value out there is. One case isn’t going to change that.
I know that's a pisser, baby.
by Blicks on Nov 18, 2008 7:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The comment has made it to India
Our GM is Bob Melvin now and he looks like this:

by ol Pete on Nov 17, 2008 9:03 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Get creative, or stay whiny Doug
This is the exact reason why opt-out clauses were invented. Give him a contract that comes close in total dollars with an opt-out after years 3 and 4. Sell it hard that given Milwaukee’s economic status the team could look radically different with different expectations in three years, and this would give CC a chance to move on to a more competitive situation or closer to home, and he will still be a 31-year old dominant lefty able to command another $150 mil+ contract.
The six years are working against NY, not for them. If CC doesn’t like a city/area, it doesn’t make it more appealling by making him stay longer.
by Getting Yosted on Nov 17, 2008 10:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

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