The CC Sweepstakes: Are We Missing an Opportunity?
I'm guessing it'll be a quiet weekend as we sit in a holding pattern, waiting for CC to decide on which lucky team gets to pay him hundreds of millions of dollars.
Last week, I had suggested that our offer wasn't THAT far below what the Yankees were offering, and that, if he truly likes playing in Milwaukee and not in New York, it should be close enough to get a deal done, excepting the possibility of a sixth year. Yet...here we sit.
This had me wondering: are the Brewers wise to play this waiting game? Consider: we're not going to outbid the big-market teams. The much-rumored $100 million/5 year offer is (and should be) as high as we go, and you can make a sound argument that it's already too much for one person. It sounds like the team knows this, as they've already said that CC is the only FA pitcher to get an offer like this, as a thank you for getting us to the playoffs last season.
So let's say this is our maximum offer, or close to it. It is substantially below the Yankees' current offer, or what the Dodgers, maybe the Giants, et al. will pay. If CC were really going to take "only" $20 million/season sign with us...well, you'd think he would by now. Like I said, I don't think we can increase our offer very much, other than possibly adding a 6th year. (Which I'd like to think Moustache and CC's agent had discussed.)
Short of piling on more cash, is there anything else we can add to our offer to make CC want to sign with us? I don't think there is.
So now I'm wondering: should we continue to play the CC sweepstakes? (Are we even in the sweepstakes, or only thinking that we are?)
Here's another idea. Let's say we thought AJ Burnett was the second best FA pitcher out there. (I don't know if he is, I'm just grabbing a Type A starting pitcher as an example.) What if we offered a better-than-expected offer (perhaps overpaying) --- I don't know, maybe 5 years, $90 million, with a signing bonus, or some such thing. The catch is, he'd have to take it before CC signed with his next team --- once CC signed, the deal went away.
In fact, we could make a similar offer to any #1 FA pitcher: the first one to accept the deal gets it.
I guess, most of us are in agreement that if we are to contend this season, we need a #1 pitcher, moving Gallardo to #2, etc. While everyone waits for CC (and all but one team is going to get turned down), maybe we can take advantage and sneak off with the second-best FA starter out there. What do you think?
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Oddly enough
The Brewers would be in a unique position to try something like this - all of the other teams that will vy for CC’s services have a reasonable chance to sign him. (For example, if the Dodgers tried to sign AJ Burnett and he accepted, then they’d be out of the CC Sweepstakes as well, as I don’t think they can afford both.) If we’re not going higher and CC hasn’t accepted by now, there’s no reason to think he’ll sign with us at all.
If we can score the #2 FA starting pitcher out there, that would be a pretty good coup. Plus, once CC signs, we’ll be bidding against the larger market teams again, who will (a) still be able to outbid us, and (b) be that much more desperate. Doug, please tell me you’re not just sitting there waiting - if you want a #1 pitcher, this might be your best bet.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Nov 22, 2008 2:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Agree, but...
didn’t Mark A and Mustache say that the CC offer was unique to him? (Sorry, I don’t remember which article a quote to that effect was in.) To me, that suggests that they do not plan to go after another No. 1 style pitcher. It’s CC or bust…
by Oakland Brewer Fan on Nov 22, 2008 2:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I didn't think so
I think CC was the only one to get this ginormous an offer (which I’m translating as, a $100 million offer). I don’t think they’re out of the market for all #1 pitchers.
At least, I hope not.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Nov 22, 2008 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know that this wasn't the point of your post
But I almost threw up all over my keyboard when I read 5/90 for AJ Burnett
by sheeter on Nov 22, 2008 3:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
just to clarify
I’m not saying I think Burnett won’t get something like that, but I don’t think the Brewers can afford to give that much money to a guy who has had some injury issues and also has desire/attitude questions. If you’re looking at giving that much money to a guy like Burnett, why not just offer Sheets 3 years and around 50 mil and save about 40 million bucks?
by sheeter on Nov 22, 2008 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I don’t see another pitcher out there worth giving longer than a three or four year deal at around 15 million a year. The Burnetts of the FA market are looking for a longer bigger deal than that.
by pjpaulus on Nov 22, 2008 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't disagree
though it probably means admitting that we’re not really contending this season.
One thing about CC: he really is head and shoulders above all other FA starting pitchers.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Nov 22, 2008 4:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One thing about CC: he really is head and shoulders above all other FA starting pitchers.
Yes – personally I think that he is worth Two type 1 FA picks instead of one.
by Saberilliterate on Nov 23, 2008 9:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we can make the Yankees feel sorry for us and contribute an extra one :)
And neck size to baby eating ratio.
by Jordan M on Nov 23, 2008 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was about to say
“they surely won’t have one to give away”
…but then I realized, they didn’t sign their first-rounder this year, which means they get a compensatory pick this year. So they do have an extra one! Doug, get Cashman on the phone and start grovelling…
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Nov 23, 2008 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think
we’re fucked. For some reason or another, I think we’re taking a major fall this year. Maybe my opinion will change, come February.
Lordz Of Vengeance....If I'm not drunk, I'm at work.
I am also pro-Rodgers.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Nov 22, 2008 5:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ahhh
You’re just depressed from watching the Badger game.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Nov 22, 2008 5:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I only watched OT. Based on that, UW kicked the shit out of Cal Poly.
Lordz Of Vengeance....If I'm not drunk, I'm at work.
I am also pro-Rodgers.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Nov 23, 2008 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So based on the fact that UW allowed the game to get to overtime against Cal F#%$^ng Poly – UW kicked the shit out of them??
Sadly, I watched most of that game. What a disappointing UW Football season… but hey at least we aren’t Michigan.
by Saberilliterate on Nov 24, 2008 8:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess you didn’t get the joke.
I apologize.
Lordz Of Vengeance....If I'm not drunk, I'm at work.
I am also pro-Rodgers.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Nov 24, 2008 7:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps you are right.
Top ten reasons I’ll enjoy 2009 even if we suck:
1. In the Selig years, I wondered whether I’d EVER see playoff baseball in Milwaukee in my lifetime. I guess I’m willing to give a grace period before I get too angry at watching crappy baseball.
2. Come April, I’ll be so happy baseball is back that even if it’s losing baseball, I’ll still be glad.
3. Low expectations = little capacity to disappoint, great capacity to happily surprise me.
4. Gamel, Escobar, Salome, etc.
5. Compensatory draft picks.
6. They can take away CC. They can take away the playoffs. They can take away Trenni. But they can’t take away Ryan Braun.
7.One year closer to getting Hall’s and Suppan’s contracts off the books.
8. The experience of an actual pennant race was exhausting. Next season will be that much less stressful not having to worry if Ben Sheets will fall apart every time he takes the mound.
9. This just in: Ned Yost, still fired.
10. THere’s no such thing as a bad brat.
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by No Huddle Offense on Nov 22, 2008 10:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice list!
I hate to say this, because giving up on Bill E. Hall had been painful…but I’ve been thinking about #7 a lot the past season or two.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Nov 23, 2008 1:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
congratulations!
You win the BCB 2008 Dave Letterman Award. Excellent list.
by ol Pete on Nov 23, 2008 7:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That made me feel a little better
Lordz Of Vengeance....If I'm not drunk, I'm at work.
I am also pro-Rodgers.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Nov 23, 2008 12:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I especially look forward to numbers 4 and 7.
I am quite literally always looking foward to seeing our prospects finally reach the major leagues. I love youth on a team.
And I can not stand Hall and Suppan anymore. Especially Suppan. And Hall. And both of them. If only we could trade both to the Yankees for CC-Cash.
Eric Gagne DL time: May 23-June 29 Brewers record in that span: 20-9
by NoahJ on Nov 24, 2008 9:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, that's not a bad idea.
If you really want to try to balance the economic power in baseball, try this rule out:
Every time a team in the top half of the revenue earners from the last year in which figures were available signs a free agent from any other team, the team losing the free agent may, if it so chooses, select one more additional player (and his garaunteed contract) from it’s 25 man roster to send along with the departing free agent. The team signing the free agent must accept the additional player and pay the balance of his contract.
I have an unreasonable dislike of Bill Hall.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Nov 25, 2008 5:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be fantastic for our current situation.
Who would you pick to throw in though? My vote goes to Suppan, starting rotation be damned.
Eric Gagne DL time: May 23-June 29 Brewers record in that span: 20-9
by NoahJ on Nov 25, 2008 8:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Sabathia & his agent...
… have been mum on the Brewers’ proposal, I doubt the Brewers are going to, essentially, bid against themselves. I can only think of a deadline for the current offer to speed things along, if the team hasn’t received a rejection or a counter, then there’s not much they can do. If this deal is holding up the rest of the offseason moves, then it’s time to move on … if Sabathia is looking for the cash, no way the Brewers can contend with the Yankees, Dodgers, or Giants.
My non-embarrassing thoughts on the Brewers:
Two Fisted Slopper
by nmc on Nov 22, 2008 6:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I've pretty much resigned myself
to not “contending” in 2009.
That said, what should we be doing to make ourselves ready for 2010? Trading Cameron? Trading Prince? What about Gamel? Etc.
by baumann on Nov 23, 2008 2:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

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