Friday's Frosty Mug
We open today with a Sabathia Smorgasbord:
- Ken Davidoff, via MLB Trade Rumors, reports the Yankees might be willing to raise their offer to $150 million over six seasons if another team, like the Angels, offers Sabathia $130 million.
- Rob Neyer says replacing Jon Garland with Sabathia would make the Angels 3-4 wins better next season, which doesn't sound like much but becomes more relevant when you realize the 2008 Angels already won 100 games. And if Jon Garland is as bad as projected in 2009, the difference is even bigger.
- Everyone loves CC. Absolutely everyone. Not only is he friends with LeBron James, Mike Cameron and Nick Swisher, but Buster Olney says his best friend in baseball is David Riske.
- Sabathia's midseason acquisition and the jersey rush that followed are probably a big part of the reason the Brewers sold more named jerseys than any other team in 2008.
- FanGraphs says Sabathia had the single greatest pitching performance in 2008. (Ben Sheets had the second best.)
- Kenny Doyle of Dugout Central says the Braves need CC Sabathia...because he's black. I tend to think he's valuable for reasons that extend beyond his skin color.
- Over 10,000 people have voted, and so far the Yankees hold a slight edge in Ken Rosenthal's poll on CC Sabathia's destination.
- Sabathia was second on The Brew Town Beat's Top Ten List of things to be thankful for.
- Sabathia also made Big League Stew's list of 101 things, along with Ryan Braun's nickname, Bob Uecker, and the food and tailgating at Miller Park.
Since they haven't signed any Type A or B free agents (yet), the Brewers still project to draft 27th in the 2009 draft. With two Type A free agents (Sabathia and Sheets) still out there, they stand to pick up several extra early picks.
Here's a mishmash of one sentence notes falling under the heading of "bullpen:"
- The Rockies are reportedly targeting Brian Shouse.
- Seth McClung made the final four candidates in FanGraphs' search for 2009's best mop up pitcher.
- Salomon Torres hasn't officially retired yet. He still needs to turn in the paperwork.
While I'm on the subject of defense: I know fielding percentages and error counts are not the only or the best way to measure defensive ability, but Vinny Rottino, Brendan Katin and Tony Gwynn were all among the bottom of AAA in terms of fielding percentage and among the leaders in errors. Just saying.
I hope everyone remembered yesterday to be thankful for R.J. Swindle. He's Canadian, so his Thanksgiving is actually the second Monday in October, but Independent Baseball Chatter says he has extra reason to be thankful this season anyway.
If Balking Traditionalism's 2009 pitching projections are accurate, we may not have as much Brewer success to be thankful for at this time next year.
Rowland's Office thinks the Braves are making a mistake pursuing A.J. Burnett if the price is five years, $75 million, comparing Burnett to Pete Harnisch. He thinks the Braves should pursue Ben Sheets instead.
And if free agent pitching is too expensive for you, Baseball Analysts takes a look at some pitchers available in the Rule 5 Draft.
I didn't collect as many hot stove links as I normally do today, but here are a few:
Braves: Mike Hampton is reportedly shopping for a one year deal, but wants a straight salary, not an incentive-based deal. I can't believe I'm saying this, but on a one year deal he might be worthy of consideration.
Mets: The team is likely just posturing, but has publicly stated Brian Fuentes' request for a 3 year, $30-$33 million deal seems "a bit high."
Phillies: Matt Stairs is most likely the only current major leaguer spending the offseason coaching high school hockey in Maine.
So, if you're reading the Mug this morning, it's probably safe to assume you skipped the long lines and insanity of Black Friday shopping. If you did, and you're still looking for gifts, might I suggest a shiny new Wisconsin Timber Rattler hat? I'd wear one.
Finally, I've made a point of keeping my work and this blog separate for most of my tenure here, but today it's for a good cause so I'll break the rule. I've been ring announcing pro wrestling shows for 3XWrestling in Des Moines for the last 2 1/2 years, and tonight we have a show in Des Moines as a toy drive for Toys for Tots. If you're located somewhere near Des Moines and looking for something to do tonight, c'mon out with a new, unopened toy and help support a great cause. Even if you're not near Des Moines, Toys for Tots is a great cause to support, as is Child's Play, which is helping two hospitals in Wisconsin this year.
Drink up.
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Why the Brewer reluctance to sign Shouse to a two year deal?
He was one of our most effective relievers the last couple years. I know he is getting up there in age, but he’s not an overpowering pitcher anyway, and it doesn’t seem like he would be too expensive.
Eric Gagne DL time: May 23-June 29 Brewers record in that span: 20-9
by NoahJ on Nov 28, 2008 11:28 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree. This is a very good question. It isn’t like Shouse throws 100mph and is therefore more injury prone.
by Saberilliterate on Nov 28, 2008 12:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
On the flip side, why sign him?
I like Shouse, too, but he made $2 million last year. When you’ve got cheaper options (Stetter, Swindle, etc.) to face lefties those 100 PA per season, why pay Shouse five times as much?
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by TheJay on Nov 28, 2008 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It seems to me like the organization thinks Shouse has surpassed the role of LOOGY.
They think he can take on full innings at a time, something they probably wouldn’t trust the cheaper options to do.
Eric Gagne DL time: May 23-June 29 Brewers record in that span: 20-9
by NoahJ on Nov 28, 2008 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is that a good idea though?
Given how he’s done against righthanded batters while with the Brewers, I can’t see why they’d want to do that. If re-signing Shouse to a two-year deal meant he’d be facing more righties, then I’d still prefer Stetter & Swindle.
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by TheJay on Nov 28, 2008 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Has he done that bad against righties?
I don’t have the time right now to look up numbers. I thought that he had been faring pretty well against them though.
Though as Jihad points out below, we would get a sandwich pick for Shouse, so I guess I wouldn’t really be dissapointed to see him go.
Eric Gagne DL time: May 23-June 29 Brewers record in that span: 20-9
by NoahJ on Nov 28, 2008 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Shouse, 2006-2008
vs LHB: .208/.253/.299
vs RHB: .301/.378/.426
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by TheJay on Nov 28, 2008 3:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Never mind.
I want the sandwich pick.
Eric Gagne DL time: May 23-June 29 Brewers record in that span: 20-9
by NoahJ on Nov 29, 2008 12:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
Shouse is a type B, so if he signs elsewhere we get a sandwich pick. I do love the Shouse, but:
Swindle + Sandwich + Several Million Dollars + No 2-year commitment > Shouse
And neck size to baby eating ratio.
by Jordan M on Nov 28, 2008 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
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Juuuust a bit outside!!
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by Jack Moore on Nov 28, 2008 7:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Torres hasn't turned in his paperwork?
Great. Wisconsin fans already went through one agonizing offseason of a beloved figure retiring then unretiring. Now it’s possible that Salomon Torres will be at the center of the next Favresque media frenzy.
C. Magruder scored, R. Weeks to second on balk
by alkaseitzer on Nov 28, 2008 3:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's true.
You won’t be able to page through the entire Journal Sentinel anymore without seeing a three sentence blurb about Torres on the tenth page of the sports section.
I don't specifically articulate my motives, because that wouldn't travel as well as a boo does.
by KLSnow on Nov 28, 2008 4:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Silly man.
The first 15 pages of any J-S Sports section is filled by Packers news.
The next page is usually a story about how Brett Favre saved 10 orphans from a fire (but one was intercepted by the inferno).
Two pages are devoted to NBA and the Bucks.
Than you get a page or two about the hunting season.
THAN maybe there will be a paragraph about Sabathia. Only on Sundays, when there is more room to fill will you ever hear about anything else from the Brewers.
Eric Gagne DL time: May 23-June 29 Brewers record in that span: 20-9
by NoahJ on Nov 29, 2008 12:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Man
Reading Big League Stew’s article makes me long for Spring Training to start again.
KL…any chance we can get a countdown to spring training in the mug?
Congrats 08 Crew on a fine Wild Card achievement! What do you say we keep the next postseason drought to something a little shorter than a quarter of a Century.
by MadJimiBrewha on Nov 29, 2008 7:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely.
I can’t find the specific date, but the first day pitchers and catchers could report is February 14. I’ll start a countdown in Monday’s Mug.
I don't specifically articulate my motives, because that wouldn't travel as well as a boo does.
by KLSnow on Nov 29, 2008 11:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet
Thanks man!
Congrats 08 Crew on a fine Wild Card achievement! What do you say we keep the next postseason drought to something a little shorter than a quarter of a Century.
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