Not Giving Up on the 09 Brewers
2009 pitching and hitting projections are coming in and optimism seems to be a bit low around the Brewer fan community for next season-- not just here, but in general. Even though watching a crappy baseball team is a lot of fun, I think there's plenty of reasons to think the Brewers could very well be a 88-90 win wildcard team again next year. It's not likely, but bear with me here. I see four possibilities/situations that could surprise us next year.
We and most professionals projected last year's Brewers to win about 88 games at the start of the year. They won 90 with a half year of Sabathia and no Gallardo, and the offense was significantly worse than expected, although some pitchers, like Bush, performed better than expected.
So let's start with the assumption that the Brewers are an 84-86 win team, without Sheets or Sabathia, if they just sign a lefty 3B to platoon at third with Hall and stick with the roster as it is right now.
1. An 84-86 win team can definitely fluke its way into 88 or 90 wins. It's happened before and it will happen again. The 2007 Diamondbacks were outscored by 20 runs and won 90 games and the NL West, and teams like the Twins this year can win a lot of games by being very "clutch" throughout the year (not that it means anything going forward, but a team can certainly be more clutch than usual over the course of 1 year).
Now I'm not saying it's a good idea to bank on a fluky year. And there's also the possibility that you get a 06 Brewers type year where everyone gets hurt and nothing goes right, and your 85 win team does not crack .500. But it's silly to give up already when the possibility does exist.
2. This year the Brewers were able to stay alive in the Wildcard race up until July with the exact team they have right now, except with Ben Sheets pitching with Gallardo injured. If Gallardo covers similar production to Sheets first half last year (a stretch, certainly, because Sheets was dominant) we're right back where we were at the deadline in 08. Melvin has shown a willingness to pay premium prospects for a rental two years in a row now, provided he can get draft picks for the player, and there's no reason to believe he wouldn't do it again. There aren't a ton of appealing options right now, but we all know how fast things can change.
3. Fielder dropped .120 points of OPS, Braun dropped .110, and Hart dropped .130 from 2007 to 2008. Their 2008s could have definitely been expected regression from stellar 2007s, but there's hope that all three could return to higher production levels, and there's the eternal possibility of the long-awaited breakout from Weeks. The current pitching staff plus a group of mashers like we had in '07 could find its way to 88-90 wins and the wildcard.
4. We're not done with the offseason yet, heck, we didn't even start it. Given the status of the team and the points laid out above, I think it's a fantastic year to take a gamble on a risky starting pitcher, like a short, rich deal to Sheets or a trade for someone like Erik Bedard. The reward could be huge. A 3-4 win improvement could mean we're the wildcard frontrunners, and a potentially dominant pitcher plus our Yovani and Manny combo could work in October. We're not in a position where a cheaper, more reliable option-- say, Jon Garland or Paul Byrd, who could provide 1 or at best 2 wins above our replacement starter-- would be worth it, because that doesn't get us in the "expected" playoffs.
So that's the pitch. Don't expect 90 wins again, but don't expect another year of painful attempts at mediocrity or rebuilding-- even if Sabathia isn't re-signed. Blind optimism does us no good, but that doesn't mean we have to give up on the team before they even start.
Other changes will be coming this offseason. Let's wait them out and assess the team then before we decide whether or not the playoffs are impossible. Remember, the playoffs were impossible last year, too.
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Well, the thing to watch is how aggressive we are in free agency.
Two or three good signings could vault us right back into contention for either the WC or the Division, as well as another find from the minor league system.
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by Jack Moore on Nov 30, 2008 7:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
another find from the minor league system.
I nominate Jeffress.
And neck size to baby eating ratio.
by Jordan M on Nov 30, 2008 7:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good analysis
I agree with almost everything written – well said. I’m not positive taking a big risk on a starting pitcher is the best idea. But I do agree that if we go for a pitcher, I would rather have a short expensive gamble than a long-term guaranteed contract.
It’s pretty early to make any win estimates since our team could change so drastically in the next month or two. We’ll just have to wait and see what CC does, and then move on from there.
by ajoconnor on Nov 30, 2008 7:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There is no way
I can give up on this team next year. I mean, we are gonna have most of the core back (although if we lose CC, and when we lose Sheets and Torres) that will hurt. But we have one of the best young cores in all of baseball, and we are still gonna add to that group as well, via trade and free agency. If we keep Sabathia (through some miracle) we are gonna be one of the best teams in the NL I think. We need to figure out the bullpen still, and I don’t see us spending a lot of money on it this year, after the busts of Riske and Mota last year. Not that Mota was terrible all the time, by any means. Our offense should be better, just based on the fact that Fielder had a down year (I feel) and Hart had a really, really bad second half. We’ve got a lot of guys that are close to entering their prime years, so that’s great too!
The rotation, without CC, scares me a little. But YoGA, Bush, McClung, Suppan (ugh) and maybe Capuano??? might not be that bad. Hopefully we get CC back, but prolly not. I would imagine if we don’t, we’ll sign one of the other free agents, and hopefully not to too long of a deal.
Our infield looks solid, even if we trade Hardy and let Escobar take his place. Hardy or Fielder should be worth a pretty solid pitcher, but I guess that’s up to the trade market. If Hardy does leave, Escobar’s defense will surprise many (in the good way) and his offense as a leadoff guy might as well! Fielder being gone also wouldn’t be the worst thing ever…
All in all, I hope we keep….in order….1)Sabathia (not likely), 2) Kapler (hopefully likely), 3) Craigy C (likely?) and 4) Branyan (likely me thinks). If we keep them, I feel we’ll be ok. Maybe not wildcard worthy, but then again, injuries, and other teams moves are also a big factor. In other words, no one should jump off next years bandwagon just yet!
This simutax makes me feel like a koala bear crapped a rainbow in my brain!
by captainmurphey on Nov 30, 2008 10:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
YoGA, Bush, McClung, Suppan (ugh) and maybe Capuano???
Everyone forgets Parra! 170 innings in his first year with a 4.30 ERA. I can only expect that to improve.
And neck size to baby eating ratio.
by Jordan M on Dec 1, 2008 9:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Has Parra learned how to throw strikes yet?
by HRF on Dec 1, 2008 5:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t get me wrong, I like Parra. It’s just that his 1.50 WHIP through that span didn’t exactly earn that ERA.
by HRF on Dec 1, 2008 5:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He'll definitely be in the rotation next year though
He’s a guy that has so much potential and youth that we want him in there. Last year was a solid start for him, despite his late season struggles. We should only expect him to get better. Lefty, 94 mph fastball, nice curve.
by ajoconnor on Dec 1, 2008 6:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, yeah, I want him in there too and think he will eventually be damn good, but I’m not counting on a lick of anything from him yet until he shows he knows what a strike zone is.
by HRF on Dec 2, 2008 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I really hope Counsell is not back. Anything over the minimum is way to much for him when we could find a good glove no hit utilitly guy just about anywhere.
I really hope we do bring the Muscle back though a Hall/Branyan platoon would put up some pretty great numbers I think.
by Trent Durrington on Dec 1, 2008 10:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I woudln't be surprised if he stays
He was born and raised in Whitefish Bay. I think he really enjoys it here. I’d be surprised to see him want to relocate this late in his career.
We had a pretty expensive bench last year. With so many players in arbitration this offseason, we probably won’t be able to afford such a costly bench.
How does everyone think the bench will look next year?
C Rivera
IF Counsell, Escobar, (Nelson/Gamel)
OF (Nelson/Gwynn)
by tcyoung on Dec 1, 2008 10:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bench
They might give Rottino a spot since he’s versatile. One of the bench infielder spots will probably be a platoon-mate for Hall, maybe Branyan or ex-Ranger Mike Lamb. They’d have the advantage of being a backup at first, as well. I wouldn’t be surprised if Counsell is back for more than most people would be willing to pay, but like you said he’s from Wisconsin and he’s been on the team the past couple years. That’s probably enough to explain the $1-1.5M over the minimum he’ll make.
Gwynn is out of options so barring a trade or a disconnect with Macha, he’ll be the speedster on the bench. If Kapler signs elsewhere, the number of available Melvin-era Rangers outfielders is pretty low, so he might be stuck signing Craig Monroe by default.
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by TheJay on Dec 1, 2008 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So you agree
that most spots will be filled from within?
Maybe Kapler or Branyan signs, and maybe they’ll sign a free agent, but for the most part it’s a farmhand bench?
by tcyoung on Dec 1, 2008 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My take
We get 5 bench spots. 1 goes to Rivera. DM said Kapler probably won’t be back, they want a lefty outfielder. Given Iribarren’s lack of options and ability to play second and center, I think he’s on the club. You need a backup SS for one other spot (probably not Escobar, I think he’s at AAA), the platoon 3B, and then a guy who can play the corners and has a good lefty bat. I think it’s Brad Nelson if they think he can play the corners decently, or maybe Eric Hinske if he’s cheap enough. I think Hernan is a Brewer next year before Gwynn is because he can play 2b.
And neck size to baby eating ratio.
by Jordan M on Dec 1, 2008 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice post
and thanks for linking to my comment from a previous thread
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by No Huddle Offense on Dec 1, 2008 8:54 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm optimistic
Bullpen already has a lot of nice pieces. I guess either someone has to step up as closer or maybe Doug M. is waiting the market out considering there are a bunch of closers and not many openings.
Position players I would expect to perform better and its hard to imagine much in the way of changes although DM could surprise. About the only spot that I would expect a change would be 3rd. Either a platoon partner or maybe somebody new and trade Hall? A lot depends on what the org really thinks of Gamel. If they were to trade Hall, I could see them using McGehee for at least a while. With all the talk of a shortage of SSs, Hall would be a decent option for a lot of teams.
Starters – they really need to pick up a free agent. I guess I don’t see the point of adding a 4 or 5 pitcher. It seems as if we’ve got Gallardo, Parra and 4s or 5s. Isn’t there anyone in the minors who could perform decently as a 4 or 5 if need be? I vote for bringing in a 1 or 2. When I listen to DM talk about the roster, it seems as if that is his thinking based on his talk of not having money for veteran bench players et cetera.
Bench – the young bloods plus ? I’d like Branyan as an exception to the need for youth. If Counsell isn’t lured back at a discount, who is the glove who plays 3rd, 2nd and SS? Yeah, he ain’t much of a hitter, but boy did he play a lot of nice defense last year.
Coaching staff – I know the PC answer is that managers don’t make that much difference, but no pitching platoons, no leading the league in CGs (I think), more walks (I’m calling it) and players like Corey getting some time off along the way. Maybe its just the hope that comes with change, but I’m really optimistic about the staff. I think it’ll also be interesting to see how Billy Castro does. I wonder how much of the work done with the staff started with him, such as mechanical changes with Mota and McClung.
by ol Pete on Dec 1, 2008 2:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I agree completely with you
Especially about the starters. If we aren’t going for a 1 or 2 then we shouldn’t be going outside the organization. One of our many 4 or 5’s can be kept for depth at starter and long relief if we get a 1 or 2, but if we just get another 4 or 5 it won’t really improve our situation. It would just make it a little different.
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Dec 1, 2008 7:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No reason to give up on '09, at all
Deal surplus infielders (Hall? Weeks?) and #4 SPs (Capuano? Suppan?). Grab a key pitcher (#1 or #2 SP), maybe consider Jeffress & his 100 mph heat as a closer (?), and let the youth rise up. Allow me some rosterbation:
Lineup:
1) Escobar, SS
2) Hardy, 2B (?)
3) Braun, LF
4) Fielder, 1B
5) Hart, RF
6) Gamel, 3B
7) Cameron, CF
8) Kenda/l / Salome, C
Bench: Gwynn, Nelson, Brantley, Rottino…
Rotation:
1) Peavy (for Weeks, Hall, and a B+ prospect)
2) Gallardo
3) Parra
4) Bush
5) Villanueva
Bullpen: Julio, Riske, Jeffress…
Welp, there’s my 10-minute brainstorm.
back to work
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by Giants_Junkie on Dec 5, 2008 4:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Padres definitely won't want Hall
as he is expensive and their primary goal is cutting payroll. Weeks is entering his arbitration years as well. Peavy also didn’t list the Brewers as a team he was willing to go to although that might have changed, especially as he is looking at pitching for a radically rebuilding team.
Melvin also sounded as if it is unlikely that Villy would be used as a starter. He actually mentioned him as a potential closer.
by ol Pete on Dec 5, 2008 5:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Funny
but no one wants Crapuano or Hall. And I think your signature is predictionbation!
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by molitorfan on Dec 6, 2008 9:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
good one re my signature block...
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