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Some things to read while staring out the window waiting for spring.

As noted in the FanShots, the NL Gold Gloves were handed out yesterday. No Brewers were selected. Meanwhile, Baseball Musings' Probabilistic Model of Range ranks Brewer shortstops first in all of baseball, and J.J. Hardy as the best full-time defensive shortstop in baseball. The first award will get more publicity, but the second one is the one with the actual correlation to being good at defense. Rollins, by the way, was about the sixth best full-time shortstop.

While we're on the subject of awards, here's two more: CC Sabathia finished fourth in the voting, behind Tim Lincecum, Johan Santana and Brandon Webb in the SB Nation NL Cy Young Voting. Sabathia took third, behind Lincecum and Santana, in Baseball Prospectus' awards.

Also, as noted in the FanShots, CC Sabathia is still telling friends he won't play in New York.

As I write this, 72% of voters in the poll think bringing Mike Cameron back for 2009 was the right decision, with 15% voting no and 12% voting for cheese. That's about what I expected public opinion to be, which is why I was surprised to see almost 60% of voters at JSOnline vote no.

If you are one of the small percentage of BCB readers (or large percentage of JS readers) who want Cameron gone, then you'll be happy to note the rumor that he could be traded to the Yankees for Melky Cabrera and pitching. I guess Cabrera is young and cheap, but for this deal to make sense to me it'd have to net a lot of pitching.

We haven't talked about Corey Hart in a while. According to Beyond the Box Score, Gabe Gross and Nelson Cruz were among the top 25 right fielders in 2008, but Corey Hart was not.

Hot stove notes:

Brave Elmer Dessens filed for free agency.
Dodger Brad Penny had his option for 2009 declined. Also, Russell Martin may not be on the move after all, even for a package that could have netted Scott Olsen and Dan Uggla.
Marlin Scott Olsen could be acquired for a catcher - the Marlins have targeted Ranger Max Ramirez.
White Sox Javier Vazquez and Nick Swisher are reportedly on the trading block.

Drink up.

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Crawfish Boxes comment on SB Cy Young vote:

It’s a little ridiculous that Sabathia some how landed three first place votes, but I guess we can blame that on BrewCrewBall, but you never know.

Also this:

As I write this, 72% of voters in the poll think bringing Mike Cameron back for 2009 was the right decision, with 15% voting no and 12% voting for cheese. That’s about what I expected public opinion to be, which is why I was surprised to see almost 60% of voters at JSOnline vote no.

What does that say about the communities of BCB vs. JSonline blog commenters? Good work everyone.

And neck size to baby eating ratio.

by Jordan M on Nov 6, 2008 9:27 AM CST reply actions  

re: Sabathia vote

each blog only got one vote (I think) .. and while I’m pretty sure I did vote CC #1, that leaves two other smart bloggers out there agreeing with me.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Nov 6, 2008 11:12 AM CST up reply actions  

It's weird

There are 16 second-place votes, but 18 first- and third-place votes

Obscure baseball records and more at my blog, Recondite Baseball.

by TheJay on Nov 6, 2008 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

I just thought it was funny

He was plenty deserving.

And neck size to baby eating ratio.

by Jordan M on Nov 6, 2008 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Braun deserved a Gold Glove

As arbitrary and meaningless as the award is, how can you not give one to a guy who was by far the worst defender in baseball last season and, after switching positions, committed 0 E? I know Braun isn’t in reality as good of a defender as his FP suggests, but I would argue he’s been a lot better than some of the bozos they did select.

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Nov 6, 2008 10:55 AM CST reply actions  

Not that I really want to disagree

but isn’t really hard to get an error in left field?

"If loving CC is wrong I do not want to be right"
"If lovin’ Braun is wrong, I want to be a repeat offender"

by kirbir on Nov 6, 2008 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Well

Brendan Katin picked up an E every 15th ball hit to him in the outfield this season.

I don't specifically articulate my motives, because that wouldn't travel as well as a boo does.

by Kyle Lobner on Nov 6, 2008 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Cameron Rumor

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/brewers.html

JS blogs now includes Wilson Betemit as well as Cabrera in a possible proposal for Cameron.

by oconnobe on Nov 6, 2008 11:06 AM CST reply actions  

Tell them to keep Betemit

and we’ll send them Suppan instead. Then increase the offer to CC by what we’ll save on Suppan, send Rickie, Jeffress and someone to San Diego for Peavy and we’re set for next year.

by Getting Yosted on Nov 6, 2008 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

sarcasm

from the LoHud blog: Or the idea of obtaining Mike Cameron from the Brewers for Melky Cabrera, Wilson Betemit and a prospect. I have to assume that prospect is a clone of Whitey Ford built from DNA harvested on Old Timers’ Day. Otherwise what part of that trade makes any sense for the Brewers?

by ol Pete on Nov 6, 2008 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe after they sign CC...

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Nov 6, 2008 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Giants say Cain is not going to be traded

Per John Heyman

Should put an end to a lot of the Fielder/Weeks/Hall/“insert player here” to the Giants talk.

by Supertramp on Nov 6, 2008 3:38 PM CST reply actions  

Darn

How about we start back up the Greinke rumors. Weeks and Hall for Greinke is what I’m hearing*.

*Note: Rumors heard from a very credible, a.k.a. my fantasy world.

Congrats 08 Crew on a fine Wild Card achievement! What do you say we keep the next postseason drought to something a little shorter than a quarter of a Century.

by MadJimiBrewha on Nov 6, 2008 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Sveum was on Homer's show

I can’t really relate well the whole thing, but people could download it I would guess. I came away pretty impressed.

Rickie bunting for hits and Cameron strike outs were discussed. One surprise was that he felt the team needed to do a better job of hitting fastballs.

by ol Pete on Nov 6, 2008 4:35 PM CST reply actions  

I'm very curious

to see how Sveum does as hitting coach. I’m a little puzzled: is Sveum really the best guy for the job, or was Macha feeling the heat from Moustache to take him back?

If Dale thinks he can get the team to take a walk, God bless him.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Nov 6, 2008 9:43 PM CST up reply actions  

cameron

More on the Cameron situation: Ken Davidoff says Cabrera and Ian Kennedy have been discussed. However, the Brewers will probably wait to see if they can sign Sabathia, since he’s good friends with Cameron.

by BenSheets15 on Nov 7, 2008 12:18 AM CST reply actions  

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