Thursday's Frosty Mug
I was moderately pissed about this move before, but this paragraph in Tom H.'s story is the one that threw me over the edge:
Brewed Sports is about as excited as I am, and all of a sudden their 74 win prediction for 2009 seems a lot more feasible. It is about the money, stupid isn't real excited about having Cameron in New York. Melky Cabrera isn't what this kid wanted for Christmas either.
Melky Cabrera's OPS+ over the last three seasons: 95, 89, 68.
Gabe Gross's OPS+ over the last three seasons: 118, 95, 96.
Gabe Gross could get non-tendered by the Rays. Melky Cabrera got traded for the best centerfielder on the market.
Noted in the Tom H. story above is the possibility the deal could be expanded to include Bill Hall. That would make it better, but unless they're getting high-level pitching for Hall and Cameron, it still won't be good.
I'm going to do the rest of the front office stuff in bullet points to keep this rant as short as possible:
- Melvin said he doesn't anticipate making an offer for Ben Sheets.
- He has, however, targeted Randy Johnson, who does not appear to have any interest in coming to Milwaukee.
- Differences in taxes and incentives might have made the Brewers' offer closer to the Yankees' offer for Sabathia.
- In the end, though, Sabathia was lured to New York by the possibility of getting to eat Yankee Stadium.
I mentioned this in a FanShot yesterday, but in case you missed it, here's Minor League Ball's ranking of the Top 20 Brewer prospects. Depending on how things come together the rest of today, I may have a new prospect project up later.
On the increasingly Hot Stove:
Blue Jays: Are reportedly talking to Michael Barrett about coming in as a backup.
D-backs: Agreed to a one year deal with Felipe Lopez.
Dodgers: Appear to have dropped efforts to re-sign Derek Lowe, and appear to be bidding against themselves for Manny Ramirez.
Mariners: R.A. Dickey has opted for free agency instead of accepting an outright assignment to AAA.
Marlins: Released Matt Treanor, their 2008 opening day catcher.
Mets: Completed a three-team, 12-player deal with the Mariners and Indians that sends J.J. Putz to the Mets and Aaron Heilman and Franklin Gutierrez to the Mariners. J.J. Putz and Francisco Rodriguez are both Mets now, which could be a problem because Putz wants to close.
Nationals: Released reliever Jesus Colome.
Orioles: Both the Orioles and Nationals appear to have made offers to Mark Teixiera that exceed $150 million and could be as high as $200 million, depending on your source.
Phillies: Acquired Ronny Paulino from the Pirates for minor league catcher Jason Jaramillo. May also be close to a deal with Chan Ho Park.
Rays: Sent Edwin Jackson to the Tigers for prospect Matt Joyce.
Reds: May have a deal for Jermaine Dye after all.
Royals: Have reportedly agreed to deals with Kyle Farnsworth and Horacio Ramirez.
That's all for today. Drink up.
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How retarded is this logic?
Here’s the primary reason the Brewers are trading Cameron and would consider moving Hall as well – centerfield and third base are the only positions on the field where they could incorporate some desperately needed left-handed bats.
Cabrera, 24, had a bad .301 OBP last season and a not-so-great .341 slugging pct. but the Brewers believe he can bounce back because he puts the ball in play more than Cameron (only 58 Ks in 414 at-bats).
Cabrera was better in 2007 when he batted .273 with 8 homers and 73 RBI in 150 games. But he had only a .327 OBP that year and his career OBP in the majors is only .329 in 415 games, so he has to work on getting on base more.
I will flag anyone who says that this is a good trade because we need more OBP and lefty bats. Melky Cabrera is terrible at OBP. He is also terrible at slugging. He is also terrible at defense.
He has to work at getting on base more. This doesn’t apply to Cameron, who is a no-good righty strikeout machine asshole, apparently.
And by the way, Gross is 2.3 UZR/150 career in center, only 50 games but still- he’s like +15 at the corners, and Cabrera is exactly average at the corners. Cabrera is like -13 in center. Gross would be a better choice to play center field for the Brewers next year.
And neck size to baby eating ratio.
by Jordan M on
Dec 11, 2008 9:57 AM CST
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stupid strikethrough
2.3 UZR/150 career in center, only 50 games but still
And neck size to baby eating ratio.
by Jordan M on
Dec 11, 2008 9:58 AM CST
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did he play shallow?
That seems to destroy UZR. I sure wouldn’t conclude anything from it.
by ol Pete on
Dec 11, 2008 12:01 PM CST
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"This doesn’t apply to Cameron, who is a no-good righty strikeout machine asshole, apparently."
Thanks for the laugh.
I have an unreasonable dislike of Bill Hall.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on
Dec 11, 2008 12:19 PM CST
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Ever get the feeling that...
some sportswriters truly must think the platoon advantage is worth almost any trade-off imaginable? You’d think that a .300 OBP is preferable to a .350 as long as it gets “a desperately needed left-handed bat” into the lineup. Gahhh.
by Zeyes on
Dec 11, 2008 3:31 PM CST
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Your Cameron link is dead.
The word right now is close.
by cwyers on
Dec 11, 2008 9:57 AM CST
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And the word is that a pitching prospect should be in the deal...
…with the quality depending on how much of Cam’s salary the Brewers take on.
by cwyers on
Dec 11, 2008 9:58 AM CST
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Please please please add a pitching prospect
Also— at that Money Stupid link— how could a Yankee fan be mad about this? They’re giving up a replacement CF for a really good CF. They are mad about the strikeouts. Wow.
And neck size to baby eating ratio.
by Jordan M on
Dec 11, 2008 10:02 AM CST
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Can't say I'm suprised
First, at 10 million for Cameron, it’s not like they are overpaying, so I find it weird the crew have to take on salary. I mean, it makes sense, but still, stop complaining you Yankee betches. Second, I’m interested in how high the quality arm can get. If we are talking Ian Kennedy quality, I think the crew would be willing to pay a decent portion of Cameron’s salary. Say it cost us 5 million dollars in 2009 to include Kennedy in the trade. When we are talking 80-90 million a year, 5 million in one year almost becomes a drop in the bucket to gain control of a young pitcher for multiple years.
Congrats 08 Crew on a fine Wild Card achievement! What do you say we keep the next postseason drought to something a little shorter than a quarter of a Century.
by MadJimiBrewha on
Dec 11, 2008 10:14 AM CST
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If Hughes or Kennedy are coming to the Brewers
My perspective completely changes and I love the deal, even if we have to cover some salary.
And neck size to baby eating ratio.
by Jordan M on
Dec 11, 2008 10:18 AM CST
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Forget Hughes
Now way in hell that happens. Maybe Kennedy if Hall is thrown in and you eat a nice chunk of Cam’s salary.
by TimQMills on
Dec 11, 2008 10:20 AM CST
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I should have just said Kennedy
Kennedy would be fine with me.
And neck size to baby eating ratio.
by Jordan M on
Dec 11, 2008 10:26 AM CST
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Kennedy dominates in AAA and is still very young. 23 maybe. I really dont want the Yanks to trade him unless they truly believe he is going to be a perpetual AAAA pitcher.
by TimQMills on
Dec 11, 2008 10:30 AM CST
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I want him really bad
I’d throw in some money or a decent prospect to get him.
And neck size to baby eating ratio.
by Jordan M on
Dec 11, 2008 10:33 AM CST
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If these deal does in fact happen
They might as well trade Gwynn. I believe he is out of options and he is just going to be blocked by another OF. Might as well get something for him while he still has a little value, I’m sure the Padres would give us something.
Congrats 08 Crew on a fine Wild Card achievement! What do you say we keep the next postseason drought to something a little shorter than a quarter of a Century.
by MadJimiBrewha on
Dec 11, 2008 10:26 AM CST
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Yanks fans
The general consensus at River Ave Blues is that it’s a great deal.
by TimQMills on
Dec 11, 2008 10:21 AM CST
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Not mad about Cameron
I’m thrilled to dump Melky on you guys, believe me. It’s just that I don’t love Cameron (maybe that’s just me, though. I’m willing to admit that). I guess as a 1-year rental, it’s not that bad. It’s also $10M.
But help me since I didn’t watch him much: how’s his defense?
by jnr98 on
Dec 11, 2008 10:52 AM CST
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Still pretty solid
He generally reads the ball off the bat extremely well. He’s lost a few steps but can get to almost all balls. He’s above average defensively, has power off the bat, but likes to K.
by SgtClueLs on
Dec 11, 2008 11:19 AM CST
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I'd say excellent
moving in and to the sides. In the ultimate of small samples, he had 3 or so balls that hit him in the glove while going back that he didn’t catch. They ended up being critical and perhaps unreasonably I think those plays should be made. He also caught a bunch as well so…
by ol Pete on
Dec 11, 2008 12:08 PM CST
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Rule 5 Draft
So, I’m assuming Bateman is no longer going to be a Brewer after this morning, correct?
Congrats 08 Crew on a fine Wild Card achievement! What do you say we keep the next postseason drought to something a little shorter than a quarter of a Century.
by MadJimiBrewha on
Dec 11, 2008 10:17 AM CST
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That wouldn't surprise me at all.
But you and I are the only people I’ve ever heard mention the possibility.
I don't specifically articulate my motives, because that wouldn't travel as well as a boo does.
by KLSnow on
Dec 11, 2008 10:23 AM CST
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And apprently no one else thought about it, either.
Bateman made it through the draft.
I don't specifically articulate my motives, because that wouldn't travel as well as a boo does.
by KLSnow on
Dec 11, 2008 2:25 PM CST
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Mets are the big winners so far
VERY reasonable contract for F. Rodriguez and didn’t give up much for Putz. Talk about rebuilidng a bullpen.
by TimQMills on
Dec 11, 2008 10:17 AM CST
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It's about the money....
I am happy to get rid of Melky, who seemed to have a bad influence on Cano. he’s AAAA outfielder at best. To get Cameron is a good value for the Yanks. It’s just that I personally am not a huge fan of free swingers like him. Coming after watching the patience of Abreu and others, it’s going to be rough watching Swisher, Cano and Cameron swinging at everything.
But, as far as trade value, I like the deal. Just wanted to clarify!
Thanks for the linkage, fellas!
by jnr98 on
Dec 11, 2008 10:56 AM CST
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Relax, dude
The deal’s not done yet!
by Charlie Marlow on
Dec 11, 2008 11:07 AM CST
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Anyone following
or knows where to follow the Rule 5 draft results outside of paying on the mlb site?
Congrats 08 Crew on a fine Wild Card achievement! What do you say we keep the next postseason drought to something a little shorter than a quarter of a Century.
by MadJimiBrewha on
Dec 11, 2008 11:26 AM CST
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Thanks
Congrats 08 Crew on a fine Wild Card achievement! What do you say we keep the next postseason drought to something a little shorter than a quarter of a Century.
by MadJimiBrewha on
Dec 11, 2008 11:41 AM CST
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So what kind of pictures do you think Cashman has on Melvin to get him to take the lesser player and give up cash to boot?
Maybe that’s why DM shaved the mustache: to give him plausible deniability.
“That’s not me! I don’t even HAVE a mustache!”
I have an unreasonable dislike of Bill Hall.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on
Dec 11, 2008 12:21 PM CST
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So......
Can we trade Doug Melvin too?
"You have no honor!" - McClung to Fukudome
by zsxander567 on
Dec 11, 2008 5:50 PM CST
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"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on
Dec 11, 2008 6:00 PM CST
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Is that a no?
"You have no honor!" - McClung to Fukudome
by zsxander567 on
Dec 11, 2008 6:07 PM CST
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I'm definitely pro-Moustache
I’m thinking of growing a moustache just to show my solidarity.
He hasn’t been a perfect GM (Kevin Mench, anyone?), but I think he’s done very well for Milwaukee. There are lots of teams who have done a lot worse with bigger payrolls. (For example: did you know the Tigers’ payroll last season was more than $138,000,000?) Plus, our payroll was only $56 million 3 seasons ago. Our farm system is producing legitimate talent for the first time in years, which we’ll be restocking pretty heavily in the upcoming draft. Sure, he let Yost stick around too long, and Mark A. and Jack Z deserve a lot of the credit. Just the same, in the way we refer to the As and Twins as the model for small- and mid-market teams, so other teams will look to Milwaukee when they try to rebuild their franchises. He deserves a lot of the credit for that.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on
Dec 11, 2008 7:19 PM CST
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