Brewers after "Very Veteran" Pitchers
Tom H. is earning his keep today:
Brewers general manager Doug Melvin just reeled off the names on the list of pitchers he is interested in and here they are, almost all older lefties:
LHP Randy Johnson, 45
LHP Jamie Moyer, 46
LHP Randy Wolf, 32
RHP John Smoltz, 41
Obviously, Wolf, who is by far the youngest of that group, would be looking for more money and years. It would be difficult imagining any of the others being offered more than one year.
"We have ongoing discussions with all those guys," said Melvin.
What do these four have in common, other than cheaper movie tickets and a special menu at Denny's? All of them are Type A or Type B free agents, and none of their respective teams offered them arbitration. (Moyer was Type A, the others were Type B.)
A quick look at their stats: Moyer and Wolf, err, not so good. Smoltz and the Big Randy Unit, well, maybe so.
You know, Don Sutton is only 63...
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The question isn't whether or not Johnson is good
it’s if he can stay healthy for a majority of the year.
And neck size to baby eating ratio.
Not to mention the fact
that he prefers to be on the West Coast. Rumor has it that he wants to be a Giant bad. I prefer, off of that list, Wolf first, Smoltz second, and Randy Johnson 3rd, although I really don’t think we can get him.
Hopefully we can score at least one of them. Maybe 2. Probably not though, we seem to be in cost cutting mode this offseason.
This simutax makes me feel like a koala bear crapped a rainbow in my brain!
by captainmurphey on Dec 11, 2008 6:57 PM CST up reply actions
I would like to see the Brewers sign Tommy John
It would be like that movie with Bernie Mac, but instead of 3000th hit he could try and get his 300th win.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
Wolf would be a decent #3.
Moyer… eh…
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Smoltz as a closer again?
I’d be willing to give it a shot.
Eric Gagne DL time: May 23-June 29 Brewers record in that span: 20-9
That's a very interesting idea.
I’m certainly not opposed to a whole lot at this point.
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Well, he has said that if he returns, he wants it to be in the bullpen.
If I remember right.
Eric Gagne DL time: May 23-June 29 Brewers record in that span: 20-9
YoGa!
The man pitched with a completely destroyed knee! Talk about gritty veteran leadership… wait I missed some how to say gamer… so he’s a gamer too.
check that
We just need some sort of Veteran leader in the rotation
Last year we went out and brought in veterans like Kapler, Cameron, Riske, Gagne, Sabathia…
Perhaps they feel the hitters are becoming enough of veterans to carry themselves through a season, but I don’t see the veteran pitcher for young guys to look to.
After listening to the insight that Smoltz had during the playoff broadcast, I would love to have him teaching parra and gallardo.
Is it me...
or are we making a run to compete for 3rd place in the division?
Look at thait list, it’s horrible. We should be trying for a #2 (Lowe, Burnett, Oliver Perez on a good day), and we have these old guys on our list who would be competing with Suppan and Bush for the #4 or #5 slot. I’m not willing to bump Manny up to #2 just yet until he proves he’s a decent #2 and fill out the staff with injury plagued old guys.
If I had to choose, I’d go with Smoltz, but I hate that list.
I just sit back and root for the taser
Lowe and Burnett you’re bidding against NY and whomever and according to DM they don’t want to come here. When I hear the “don’t want to come here” thing, I wonder how hard he is selling it. Its not forever, the place is laid back, the stadium is weather controlled. Its got a modern clubhouse et cetera and you’d pitch in front of a pretty good defense and offense.
Olly Perez is a Boras client and looking for multi-years (and I don’t think is all that good).
I’m wondering if the strategy is to wait till the heavy hitters spend on ginormous contracts and what is left are much lower bidders for the remaining free agents at which time DM will spend on a few pieces.
I don’t think there is a lot in the 2010 FA SP group. Brandon Webb and probably a couple other high quality starters. I can see why the Brewers drafted 78 pitchers last year.
I hope so...
I’m wondering if the strategy is to wait till the heavy hitters spend on ginormous contracts and what is left are much lower bidders for the remaining free agents at which time DM will spend on a few pieces.
I hope that is what DM is doing
by Saberilliterate on Dec 12, 2008 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
I used that line at the bar last night
I struck out like Corey Hart in October.
September 15: Not a bad little Monday
by molitorfan on Dec 13, 2008 8:09 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
On the plus side
I’m pretty sure the team gets out of the remainder of the contract in the event of a death, so you’ve got a 50/50 shot of getting out of a two year deal with Moyer after one year.
And why isn’t Schilling on Doug’s list? Old, injured and marginally effective seems to be the order of the day.
by Getting Yosted on Dec 12, 2008 12:32 PM CST reply actions
other than bcb
the clean-shaven one does not like blogs
He is from the most northern state in the US, though.
I didn’t know that. Interesting.
Eric Gagne DL time: May 23-June 29 Brewers record in that span: 20-9
Ah, well that explains why I didn't know he was born in Alaska.
Eric Gagne DL time: May 23-June 29 Brewers record in that span: 20-9
Schilling keeps saying that he’ll “probably” retire, and in any case won’t be ready to go until after the All-Star break. One may as well re-sign Capuano and wait….
I’d be incredibly amused if the Brewers did sign Schilling; can you imagine Schill and McClung gabbing at each other in the dugout on a nightly basis? XD (But, no, I don’t want him, as I keep saying, the Brewers already have a perfectly good Mark DiFelice for that sort of thing.)
One of the local sports talk guys loves Mike Gimbel
he says DiFelice should be an automatic for the rotation. When challenged with DMs comment that he struggles against LHers, he said his minor league numbers against LH were similar to Gallardos. I’m not sure where to go to check splits on minor numbers.
He also thinks Weeks is greatly underrated.
I wasn’t trying to imply that DiFelice should be in the rotation. I was trying to imply that Schilling probably can’t throw faster than what DiFelice is dealing and has less endurance and would end up in the long man spot. For that, the Brewers don’t need to be paying more than $400K, and do you think Schilling would sign for league minimum?
However, if during ST there happens to be an epic battle between every marginal starter in camp for the 5th spot in the rotation, he needs to get in there.
There's a '3' in his age
so…no. ;)
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Dec 12, 2008 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
Only if you'd want a Jeff Suppan
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
Am I the only one who would prefer injury prone Ben Sheets to one of the injury-prone old balls pitchers?
no
but there will probably be a big difference in the cost of Sheets vs. The AARP Posse.
September 15: Not a bad little Monday
by molitorfan on Dec 13, 2008 8:12 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Sheets supposedly out of consideration in NY
They have ruled out going after oft-injured Ben Sheets, someone familiar with their plans said, because of too many “red flags.” Instead, they will await a decision from Andy Pettitte.
The Yankees, who had hoped to sign Pettitte or Sheets to round out their starting rotation, have decided that Pettitte would be a better fit.
Another advantage of signing Pettitte instead of Sheets is that Pettitte will require just a one-year contract.
from Newsday
Interesting that Girardi reportedly loved him as a pitcher and thought he was worth it. Astros management say they are not going to hire him. The only other rumored team is the Rangers. Who follows that team and can evaluate their likelihood of signing him? Given the lean pickings next year for high quality FA SP, a good argument could be made for him going one more year. Subtract coming out in rain delays and nutty pitch counts, he might clean up.
I'll wait it out
I trust Doug. If he doesn’t want to give Sheets 3 years or whatever he’s asking for, I’m fine with it. I’d really like him back— I think he’d be a fantastic signing— but if there’s a health or some other issue that we fans aren’t aware of, I’m not going to get worked up about it if they don’t bring him back.
And neck size to baby eating ratio.
i have reservations
think it’s possible Bennie would morph into a clubhouse cancer if he only had a one-year contract after his expecations in August?
by keephopealive on Dec 14, 2008 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
Is it just me...
…. or does this offseason feel like they used to back in 2000-2002?
I remember listening to Peter Gammons do a spot on a talk show back then and a guy called in and asked if the Brewers were planning on fielding a team that year, since they obviously took the term “offseason” a little too literally.
I have an unreasonable dislike of Bill Hall.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 14, 2008 3:53 PM CST reply actions
I'm not so sure
1. We put in a reasonable bid for the most sought-after free agent on the market. It came down to us or the Yankees.
2. We’ve replaced crappy relievers who make 4 million with somewhat less crappy relievers who make 1 million, making me feel like we’re in Moneyball and swindling other teams. I think it’s fun to try to find bargains and stuff.
I think people that say “OMG we’re not doing anything” (no one here really is) are the same ones that say “Why did we overpay for player X when player Y is just as good and cheaper?”. I have no problem with what DM has done so far. Subject to change. Note: as of this writing, Cameron has not been traded for Melky Cabrera and Kei Igawa.
And neck size to baby eating ratio.
Not to mention ...
that we literally “Swindled” one of our new acquisitions.
http://www.soxprospects.com/players/images/swindle.rj.jpg
I guess that's what I meant....
… in a way at least. Not the lost bidding war for CC, obviously (and I note your point there), but the bottom-feeding for help. Is it smart? Possibly (I’m not in a position to say it isn’t). But it has that same depressing feel to it; like there’s a party going on and we’re not invited. I used to get extremely frustrated with baseball’s economic structure on at least an annual basis (actually bi-annual: during free agency and at the trade deadline), but the last couple of years I hadn’t so much. Even last year, while some of our signings were poor decisions, it felt like DM had the freedom to make choices, for good or ill and live with the consequences of his own choices. This year, with the exception of the CC offer, it feels like he’s wearing the old handcuffs again and we’re left with little but the hope that he can turn up a few retreads that others have given up on. And it feels like that leaves us with no chance to compete for a wild card, let alone the division.
It’s not a rational response I’m voicing here, but an emotional one. It’s colored by the disappointment I feel that after all this time I spent waiting for this group of young players to force open a window of opportunity for this franchise, the window is closing much more quickly than I’d hoped not because this is a poorly run organization and not because the players aren’t as good as we’d hoped, but because other organizations that may not even be run as well have competitive advantages they have not earned.
I knew that before, of course. I hated it then too. But somehow it was easier to take when you knew that the primary reason the Brewers were perennially bad on the field was because they were terrible off the field as well. Now that the long years of effort and better management have come to some fruition, it’s harder than I expected for me to watch the disparity in resources limit the opportunities for success of well run organizations, while others write checks in the hopes of filling the holes in their organization that were created by their own mismanagement.
Yesterday my brother, who once was an MLB fan, asked me how I could keep following the Brewers and the MLB given the competitive imbalance. I told him if he didn’t know after the Brewers 2008 season, I couldn’t explain it to him. He told me that if I couldn’t tell why he didn’t follow the MLB any more after the Yankees signings and a comparison between the Cubs resources and those of the Brewers, then he couldn’t explain his position to me either.
Thing is, I know I’m right. But I know he is too. I managed to convince myself the last few years that things were different now. It wasn’t the 1992 offseason anymore and small and mid market teams were as likely to win titles as the big boys. There’s some truth to that. But MLB has failed where other sports have succeeded in that its system doesn’t reward good management over the long term. Until it does, and it likely never will, my relationship with MLB (though not with baseball) will be include as much hate and resentment as it does joy. But I’m just too much a fool to turn my back on it the way my brother did. I used to wish he’d still come to games with me, but right now I wonder if he hasn’t been right all along.
Put more succinctly, I think Buster Olney is right, and I think it’s bullshit that baseball still let’s it happen.
I have an unreasonable dislike of Bill Hall.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 14, 2008 9:09 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, I agree
I will say that I think More Revenue Sharing > Salary Cap
I do these things:
I convince myself it’s a heck of a lot more fun play the underdog than the favorite. Being a Yankees fan must suck. You’re supposed to win. All that’s left is disappointment if you suck. There’s just easy fixes. Analogy: It’s like playing on rookie in a video game. Winning 20-0 every game isn’t fun there, it’s the 3-2 nailbiters that make it awesome.
Then I realize that it’s a lot more fun to find inefficiencies and cheap players than to just throw money at crap. I love reading DRaysBay and how the Rays are able to be so competitive for cheap. I just think it’s more fun to follow the game that way, rather than sign the best free agent every offseason and play again.
Obviously, it would have been awesome to get Sabathia back, but it didn’t happen. Have him, Yankees. We’ll take your #1 pick, either use the player we select to provide stellar, cheap production for 3 years and 3 of somewhat cheap production, or we’ll trade our pick for a rental when a few win upgrade helps us get into the playoffs again. Keep the train rolling.
It would be funny if they had Sheets + CC in their rotation and Cam in center next year. They can’t make the playoffs without stealing all of our talent, can they?
And neck size to baby eating ratio.
We’ll take your #1 pick...
… not if they sign Texiera….
I have an unreasonable dislike of Bill Hall.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 14, 2008 10:49 PM CST reply actions

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