"I think this is the best place for me to try to win a championship"
Ok, so I got a little PO'ed after reading this story. Does Sabathia really think that playing for the Yankees gives him the best shot at winning a championship? I'm not saying the Brewers would (LAA maybe?) but look at what the Yankees did after finishing 3rd in their division, 6 games out of the Wild Card and 3 games above fourth place Toronto. After many of their "stars" (Giambi, Abreu, Pettitte, Mussina, even Pudge) declared free agency, they traded for Nick Swisher(!). So, in CC's eyes, the Yankees have improved themselves enough with the acquisition of Swisher to pass the AL Champion Rays (whose team remained basically unchanged except for losing Cliff Flyod, Trever Miller, and now healthy Rocco Baldelli to free agency) and the Wild Card winning Red Sox (who have lost quite a few players from last year). Something tells me that money influenced CC's decision in some way.
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the Yankees still have a chance
Their main problem last year is that nearly the entire team was broken at various points. That was also Boston’s problem, and they came out fine. The Yanks…not so much. The pitching staff appeared to be Mike Mussina and 4 various other guys.
Heck, as long as Burnett and Sabathia outpitch Darrell Rasner…(who also was lost, to Japan) but the point still stands; good luck beating Tampa Bay, guys. You’ll need it. Especially if David Price is as good as he’s projected (although all he has to do is be better than Edwin Jackson.)
I’ll dispute your remark about the Sox losing players, or at least irreplaceable players. So far, the Sox have lost Timlin (who was awful,) Casey, Kotsay who was only there because Lowell was broken, and all the catchers; Brown and Kottaras may not be as defensively hot as Tek, but they’re all 10 years younger and can make a good attempt at hitting .220. As for Timlin replacements, the Sox have enough other dodgy relievers in-house already. Casey will probably be replaced by Paul McAnulty. (He was a 1B half the time in the minors, and mostly LF the rest of the time.)
by morineko on Dec 19, 2008 12:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
You're right about the Red Sox
I should have looked at how much some of their FA’s actually played at the major league level. Varitek is really their biggest loss to free agency. Casey only saw 200 ABs and Kotsay less. They did trade Crisp, but he wasn’t playing full time either. And I don’t think they’ll have any problem letting Timlin go.
by jeffro53081 on Dec 19, 2008 2:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You are getting upset about nothing its a quote heard in every sport by every big free agent signing.
by pjpaulus on Dec 19, 2008 12:03 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I realize that
but if a championship is truly what CC was looking for, he had better options. I figured he’d be gone, I just didn’t like that comment.
As someone mentioned in a different thread, some Indians fans are taking his signing with the Yankees pretty hard.
by jeffro53081 on Dec 19, 2008 2:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bitter grapes
Hey, I’m not happy about it either. But consider:
- The last time the Yankees had a losing season? 16 years ago.
- Before this past season, the last time they missed the playoffs was 1993. (I’m not counting 1994, the strike year, when they were 70-43.)
- Even last season, their “bad year,” they were still 16 games over .500.
Of course, it’s all payroll-driven, and CC’s quote is probably just code for “Are you flippin’ kidding me? It’s 161 million dollars!” But his statement is an accurate one: if you had to guess who’s going to have the best winning percentage in baseball from 2009 through 2015, the Yankees is your best bet.
Just one more reason to root for the Rays. :)
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by roguejim on Dec 19, 2008 6:50 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
the one thing that kind of got me a bit
was the wife saying she was okay with moving if she got to sit in the front row of the Macy’s Day Parade.
by ol Pete on Dec 19, 2008 8:55 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
“In Milwaukee, they would have been looking at me to win every single game,” Sabathia told reporters in his first public comments since season’s end. “Of course, I expect to win, and I know that’s going to be here [in New York], too. But I think it would have been even more immense pressure there, because they wouldn’t have been able to put the pieces around to actually help me win. I think I can get that here.”
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by TheJay on Dec 19, 2008 11:35 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
that quote stings
I untuck my shirt!
by Michael M on Dec 19, 2008 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Woah...
Hmmm.. I think he’ll understand the pressure once all of NYC disses him for not winning every game.
Hmmm.. I think he’ll understand the pressure once all of NYC disses him for not winning every game.I think CC has it wrong, he had the oppurtunity to be loved by an entire state like Favre. Even when Favre cost us games, you know most of us still loved him. Same thing for Jenkins and Sheets who were both on horrible teams, yet the fan base still loved their effort. NY won’t be as nice.
Hmmm.. I think he’ll understand the pressure once all of NYC disses him for not winning every game.I think CC has it wrong, he had the oppurtunity to be loved by an entire state like Favre. Even when Favre cost us games, you know most of us still loved him. Same thing for Jenkins and Sheets who were both on horrible teams, yet the fan base still loved their effort. NY won’t be as nice.But that quote leavea bitter taste in my mouth.
by SgtClueLs on Dec 19, 2008 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And here I thought that CC was smart.
Did he look at their roster before making that statement??
by Saberilliterate on Dec 19, 2008 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
See...
I’m just saying his coolness factor just got knocked down a little with me.
by jeffro53081 on Dec 19, 2008 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember reading a report that said CC’s agents said he didn’t have any concerns about the Brewers’ offseason moves when Doug met with them in Las Vegas…
by tcyoung on Dec 20, 2008 5:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
NYY are the team to beat
Their offense is a known quantity and they’re looking to have the best pitching rotation in recent memory, especially if they go for Sheets. Injury is a possibility of any team, but when your opening day #3 is Ben Sheets…that’s a pretty good team.
I don’t know why people are complaining anyways, of course it was about the money. This isn’t Cordero turning down $4 million to get out of Milwaukee, which in the long run is essentially nothing. This would have been Sabathia turning down $40 million!!!
Yes, even a $120 million contract is far more than any athlete deserves, but can you blame Sabathia for taking the huge contract New York offered him? The Yankees style of building teams is completely unfair, but there isn’t a player in the league who would have turned down that much money, especially to play for what looks to be a very impressive team.
Luckily the pre-season favorites rarely win in baseball; especially next year when a surprisingly dominant Chris Capuano calls upon the uncompromising Gods of Averages to win twenty-two consecutive games and lead the Brewers to the World Series!
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by SRB on Dec 19, 2008 3:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yes, even a $120 million contract is far more than any athlete deserves
I agree with everything except this.
by HRF on Dec 19, 2008 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If your math was how it worked, the Brewers would have offered him 150 million for 20 years.
So he would have signed here because we offered 10 million more right?
by ol Pete on Dec 19, 2008 4:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What's your point?
Consider the yearly salary if you want, same deal…
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
by SRB on Dec 19, 2008 4:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The point is obviously that you’re comparing different contracts for different lengths of time. You said the total of the contract is the motivator, and I suggested a contract with a higher total.
Its hard to compare the yearly salaries without knowing how much was deferred in the Brewers contract and how much CC has to pay in taxes and what not to live there. Besides, he never came back and asked the Brewers for a counter offer.
by ol Pete on Dec 19, 2008 5:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, and the fact that New York offered him yet another year on the contract at $20+ million only proves my point. Not only is the contract for more per year, but it locks him in for another season at a rate he most probably won’t be asking six years from now. If you want, correct what I said: with New York he’ll be making $40 million more minus whatever yearly rate he’d get six years from now. Either way, the difference is not exactly trivial.
And he did ask the Brewers for a counteroffer, that’s what the $120 million/6 year offer was. If Milwaukee had the money to come close to New York’s final offer it’s not as if he wasn’t listening.
Argue about taxes and such all you want, it doesn’t make him a sell-out to take such a significantly larger offer. Conservatively, it would be like asking every member of the Brewers to play for free next season (most of them twice or three times over, with the exception of Suppan).
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
by SRB on Dec 19, 2008 10:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he didn't ask for a counteroffer
Adding a year by either team doesn’t prove your point. I’d say the only way he pitches for the Yankees in the last year is if he becomes ineffective much sooner. Being "locked in’ most likely will be a bad deal and he’ll have either opted out or manipulated the team into reworking the contract. In 7 years 23 million won’t be a large sum. Figure in taxes and he will likely have made less if he’s still pitching.
I never called him a sell out. I have no idea what your last example is, but it doesn’t even seem related to the discussion.
by ol Pete on Dec 20, 2008 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
its definitely the best place to try.
he’s getting 161M there. now as for whether or not this place actually gives him the best shot at winning…
by goirish2107 on Dec 19, 2008 3:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs























