Think you're better than Yost or Sveum? Try it! Make a lineup!
by Jack Moore on Dec 22, 2008 5:47 PM CST
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PrintSo to go along with my lineup analysis post, I've calculated the run value for every brewer player with over 100 ABs for every lineup slot, as well as some platoon values for selected players. Now I can find the optimal lineup for the Brewers 2008 season.
But now I ask you - can you?
We're assuming that every player listed below can finish a full season (or in the case of Branyan, a full season as the lefty half of a platoon). I want to see how well you guys can make a lineup. You might be surprised at what the optimal lineup actually is.
RULES -
1. You must fill each position.
2. You will have some platoon options. If you use a platoon, you must post two SEPARATE lineups for vs. RHP and vs. LHP.
3. Platoons will be counted as vs. RHP 2/3 of the time, vs. LHP 1/3. This is crude but it tends to work well for platoons.
4. Each lineup must include a pitcher. The pitcher's spot is counted at 65% pitcher batting, 35% league average pinch hitter batting.
OPTIONS FOR EACH POSITION.
C: Kendall
1B: Fielder, Fielder/Branyan Platoon
2B: Durham, Hall, Weeks, Counsell, any platoon of those.
SS: Hardy, Counsell, Hall, any platoon.
3B: Hall, Counsell, Hall/Branyan, Hall/Counsell, Counsell/Branyan.
OF: Kapler, Hart, Cameron, Braun, any platoon.
Whoever makes the best lineup wins some pride. Sorry, I don't have anything to offer!
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Ok, I'll do one:
2B Weeks
LF Braun
SS Hardy
1B Fielder
3B Hall/Branyan
CF Cameron
RF Hart
P Sabathia
C Kendall
I don't specifically articulate my motives, because that wouldn't travel as well as a boo does.
Something like this
vRHP
2B Durham
1B Fielder
CF Cameron
LF Braun
3B Branyan
SS Hardy
RF Kapler
P
C Kendall
vLHP
2B Weeks
1B Fielder
CF Cameron
LF Braun
3B Hall
SS Hardy
RF Kapler
P
C Kendall
…ONLY if we’re just using last year’s production here. No way I would play these players like this going forward. Kapler over Hart would be stupid, but he produced better last year. I’m also disregarding defense.
Interesting idea.
Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.
Fielder in the 2-hole?
I don’t see it…
Giants: World Series Champions...in 2011.
by Giants_Junkie on Dec 23, 2008 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
If you go by the traditional ideas
Nothing ever gets done. If I assume that putting a contact hitter in the 2-hole is the best way to construct a lineup and never challenge the assumption, it will never change, even if there are better ways to score runs.
Our current “optimal lineup” is based on these two ideas:
1. The leadoff hitter gets on, is bunted to second by the 2 hitter, and driven in by the 3 hitter
2. The first three hitters get on and the 4 hitter hits a grand slam
If we never challenge this, it’ll be that way forever. We’d still think the Earth was flat if we did that.
Optimally, you don’t want your best hitter in the 3-hole because that spot comes up most often with no runners on and 2 out. The 2 spot should be a better hitter than most assume.
Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.
Me too
3B Braun
SS Hardy
CF Cameron
1B Fielder
LF Kapler
RF Hart
2B Weeks
P Sabathia
C Kendall
that’s what I’m going with
Lordz Of Vengeance....If I'm not drunk, I'm at work.
I am also pro-Rodgers.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Dec 22, 2008 8:57 PM CST reply actions
Braun @ leadoff?
Giants: World Series Champions...in 2011.
by Giants_Junkie on Dec 23, 2008 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
Ima just go crazy with this one.
SS Hardy
RF Hart
LF Braun
1B Fielder
CF Cameron
3B Hall/Branyan
C Kendall
P Sabathia
2B Weeks
How far will this one fly?
I'll try this crazy one that would never happen
vRHP
LF Braun
CF Cameron
1B Fielder
SS Hardy
3B Branyan
RF Kapler
2B Durham
P
C Kendall
vLHP
LF Braun
CF Cameron
SS Hardy
1B Fielder
RF Kapler
3B Hall
2B Weeks
P
C Kendall
The idea is to get the high OPS guys as many ABs as possible.
by kingcharlesxii on Dec 23, 2008 10:44 AM CST reply actions
If the Brewers were a softball team
What happens when you lead-off hitter hits a home run? Your up 1 rock.
LF Braun
1B Fielder
CF Cameron
SS Hardy
RF Hart
2B Weeks
3B Hall
P Pitcher
C Kendall
"You are only a success at the moment that you do a successful act"
-Tex Winter
How about this one?
Based on 2008 numbers:
vs. LHP
SS Hardy
RF Kapler
CF Cameron
LF Braun
1B Fielder
3B Hall
C Kendell
P Sabathia
2B Weeks
Vs. RHP
2B Durham
SS Hardy
1B Fielder
LF Braun
3B Branyon
CF Kapler
RF Hart
C Kendell
P Sabathia
The LHP lineup seems pretty strong no matter what you do; It’s the lineup vs. RHP that poses problems.
by Idrinkyourmilkshake! on Dec 24, 2008 6:48 AM CST reply actions
Gonna tally things up over the next couple of days
I’ll post results on Sunday.
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You all lose.
Because nobody put Counsell as the leadoff hitter vs. RHP
jihad wins the prize for best. I can post full numbers later if anybody would like to see them.
Here’s the spreadsheet for finding the optimal lineups.
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pxSSR5Xmla-UOtc67_E_pfw&gid=0
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line ups
first in free agency i think the brewers sign at 2nd base Orlando Hudson. then sign bobby abreu in put him in right field. then trade cameron and weeks for pitching.
RHP
1. Orlando Hudson
2. Corey Hart
3. Prince Fielder
4. Ryan Braun
5. Bobby Abreu
6. J.J. Hardy
7. Mike Lamb
8. Jason Kendell
9. pitcher spot
LHP
1.orlando hudson
2.Corey Hart
3.Prince Fielder
4. Ryan Braun
5. Bobby Abreu
6. J.J. Hardy
7. Bill Hall
8. Jason Kendell
9. pitcher spot
pitching rotation
1 Gallardo
2. Parra
3. Bush
4. Sanchez SF pitcher come over from weeks, cameron deal
5. Villineuea
Closer
McClung
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