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Some things to read while looking for new things to graph.

I guess this says a lot about how this offseason has gone: I've got about 50 links today after a week off, but nothing I felt was worth listing as the top story. Goat Riders of the Apocalypse and Dugout Central are both down on the Brewers' chances in 2009.

There are a couple of minor league signings to report: RHPs Chris Smith and Ryan Houston have been added to the fold, although both sound more likely to contribute in Nashville than Milwaukee.

So, pending a move, the Brewers' 2009 rotation will include Yovani Gallardo, Manny Parra, Dave Bush, Jeff Suppan and Seth McClung. The #6 option must be Chris Capuano, because Carlos Villanueva is reportedly not being considered. All of this gets a little easier if the Crew signs Braden Looper, of course.

So, due to the Elias rankings slotting Mark Teixiera ahead of CC Sabathia, the Brewers will now get the Yankees' second round pick, instead of the first rounder they should have received as compensation for the Yankees' signing Sabathia. As noted in the FanShots, Doug Melvin would like to see an update to the Elias formula that put Teix ahead of CC. Keith Law is with him.

Lost in all the debate about free agent rankings is this: The Yankees will give a first round pick to the Angels, a second round pick to the Brewers and a third round pick to the Blue Jays (for signing A.J. Burnett), but get to keep another first and third rounder they were given as compensation for failing to sign their top two picks in 2008. So the Brewers and Blue Jays would both be entitled to first round picks in a normal year, but instead the Yankees keep one. How is that fair?

Meanwhile, Mark Attanasio's comments about a salary cap have drawn a stern "Get off my lawn!" from Murray Chass.

The 2009 projections continue: jhmoore posted the Brewers' 2009 WAR projections in the FanShots.

I thought award season was over, but apparently it's not: Prince Fielder has been nominated for a Douchie. I'd go into more detail but I'd like to keep this blog somewhere in the PG range.

A few notes on former Brewers: According to the Dallas Morning News, the Rangers remain interested but have not made an offer to Ben Sheets...which I guess makes them the frontrunner to sign him?

Could the Brewers still be active in the closer market? In polling over at Birdland, only about 1% of voters think the Brewers will sign Brian Fuentes, but 21% think the Brewers could sign Jason Isringhausen. Also, Akinori Otsuka will work out for all 30 teams in January.

Elsewhere on the hot stove:

Astros: Have signed Clay Hensley to a minor league deal, and now appear to be done unless a shortstop comes along.
A's: Are reportedly talking to Jason Giambi, Garret Anderson and Bobby Abreu.
Giants: Signed Randy Johnson to a deal worth between $8 and $10.5 million, depending on incentives. (noted in FanPosts) They may now be looking to deal Jonathan Sanchez.
Marlins: Are not interested in Sammy Sosa.
Mets: Could still be pursuing both Oliver Perez and Derek Lowe.
Orioles: Have signed Mark Hendrickson, meaning they'll definitely be taller in 2009. Better is still open for debate.
Phillies: Signed Gary Majewski to a minor league deal.
Rangers: Aren't interested in Sosa either.
Red Sox: Have signed Brad Penny to a one-year deal worth $5 million, with up to $3 million in incentives available. They also signed Josh Bard.
Reds: Signed Willy Taveras to a two-year deal. Transaction Oracle projects his OPS+ at 66.

How lucky are the Brewers to have Bob Uecker? Consider these comments made by Reds broadcaster Marty Brennaman about Adam Dunn.

If you live in/near Milwaukee, you'll be able to get the MLB Network on Time Warner channel 122, and you'll be able to see Mitch Williams, Greg Amsinger, Jon Heyman and Barry Larkin. Still no word on whether or not I'll get it in Des Moines, but I'll likely be putting a dish on my roof soon if I can't.

Would baseball still be as popular if games weren't played on Sundays? Seamheads has the story about the debate on banning Sunday baseball in Milwaukee in 1898.

Oh, and you probably couldn't afford to buy the auctioned seat in the US Senate, but you might be able to afford the Senate seats in Peoria.

Drink up.

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In HD? I know they said that they will, but the 100s is def not in the HD realm for TWC.

Anyone know if they will be rolling it out?

by SgtClueLs on Dec 29, 2008 10:29 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

TWC has their standard def sports channels – well at least a group of them – around that 122 and then repeats stations in the HD lineup. I don’t have HD, but I know that because TWC has programming spread all over the place. How many people know that they can watch Sundance when it is parked around 440 (I think)? Oh, I better stop…

by ol Pete on Dec 29, 2008 11:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

500s are HD

I’m sure it will be around there somewhere

by tcyoung on Dec 29, 2008 12:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Murray Chass

Can we stop linking to this d-bag’s blog, please?

by bklanecky on Dec 29, 2008 10:31 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

ITS NOT A BLOG

ITS A WEBSITE

I agree though. What an idiot.

Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.

by Jordan M on Dec 29, 2008 10:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, please,

I keep reading them and getting irritated. And no FJM to rip on it to make me feel better anymore.

by Braunstalker on Dec 29, 2008 3:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Goat Team One and Barstool Central

Predictable Cub predictions… their team was fabulous and is fabulous. The Brewers used to be bad because we had guys like Sheets and Torres and now we need to start drinking because we don’t have Sheets and Torres. Prince will likely decline yet not much worry about Lee, Sori, DeRosa (how old is that guy), psycho Z, the delicate flower known as Lilly, the Sheetsian Harden or Cy Dempster.

Goat Team Leader’s expectation of a Brewers decline that is fast and steep is topped by his obvious hatred of the Astros and Cards who clearly won’t compete because several of their better performers won’t repeat unlike the Fabulostastic Cubs.

by ol Pete on Dec 29, 2008 11:06 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Drinking takes the edge off my sarcasm and cynicism. Are you calling me a softy?

by ol Pete on Dec 29, 2008 12:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ah… well, it was just the equivalent of a bunch of grumbling, mumbling and cursing interspersed with the word Cubs…

by ol Pete on Dec 29, 2008 3:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sup-pen

After firing Nedly, I suppose Moustache isn’t in a mood to do us any favors. Having said that…isn’t it about time we move Suppan to the pen? It’s not that he suffers from ineffectiveness after relatively few innings - it’s that he seems to suck all of the time, and limiting his innings would be useful. Over the last two seasons, he’s had a WHIP of 1.50 and 1.54, and hitters are batting about .300 off of him.

He might be too expensive to cut, but I don’t think that means we have to keep starting him.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Dec 29, 2008 11:29 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I go back and forth on this

His only asset is his durability. In the pen, he’s just the garbage man. If you have a superior option to start, Suppan should be in the pen— but right now, we don’t.

Even if you do put him in the pen, you’ll need a 6th starter at some point anyway.

I would probably opt to keep him in the rotation and apply the short leash rule. If he starts to get hit in a tight game, pull him quickly. He doesn’t have the opportunity to work out of jams any more.

Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.

by Jordan M on Dec 29, 2008 11:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

His only asset is his durability.

Let’s make him a maple bat. :)

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Dec 29, 2008 12:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I pretty much agree...

Obviously Suppan is wildly overpaid as a 5th starter, but with the money being a sunk cost (unless we can unload him on the Pirates Morris-style or something) and absent a reliably better option you might as well keep him in the rotation. I don’t particularly care to see a repeat of the revolving pitcher door we had to endure for a few months in mid-2006…

Compared to what teams usually have to run out there for the 5th spot in the rotation, if Suppan gives us 160-180 innings with a 5.00 ERA and he’s in fact only the 5th-best starter on the season with that, I’ll be thrilled. Even at $10+ million. Of course, that doesn’t mean I’m opposed to upgrading the rotation if the opportunity presents itself. But I don’t think the team should hamstring itself financially just because Suppan is frustrating and overpaid.

by Zeyes on Dec 29, 2008 4:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

if Suppan gives us 160-180 innings with a 5.00 ERA and he’s in fact only the 5th-best starter on the season with that, I’ll be thrilled.

However, if 2008 performance levels hold for 2009 and the Brewers pick up something-better-than-5th and kick McClung into the bullpen instead of Soup—again—how do we get management to understand the sunk costs fallacy? It’s not like this team is the 2008 Giants. ::cough::

by morineko on Dec 29, 2008 10:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think there's a point being missed here.

If Suppan is kept in the rotation on a short leash and McClung is sent to the pen, McClung will likely pitch some high-leverage innings and Suppan will pitch 140-160 low leverage ones.

If McClung is left in the rotation, he’ll likely pitch the same low leverage innings Suppan would have pitched, plus about 20-40 more, and Suppan will sit at the end of the bullpen and likely see little to no use, except in exceptionally low leverage situations and “last guy out” extra inning games.

Or, to reword and simplify: McClung would likely be useful in the bullpen. Suppan will likely not be.

So, when you look at the whole board, the question becomes: “Would you rather have…”

A) A 5th starter who needs to be kept on a short leash and a useful reliever (who potentially could close), or
B) A slightly better 5th starter and a lump at the end of the bench in the bullpen.

I’m not sure which one I want at the moment, but I think the debate is closer than you think.

I don't specifically articulate my motives, because that wouldn't travel as well as a boo does.

by KLSnow on Dec 30, 2008 2:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I know this was recently FanPosted

But maybe we need to revisit it. Or at least make a new poll.

Suppan’s stats are here. It’s worth noting that his ERA, WHIP, and BAA have all been on the rise in each of the past four years, and wins have been tracking downward for 5 straight seasons.

Although I wasn’t thrilled with the contract when we brought him along, I was OK with the signing because he had been averaging a 3.80 ERA over the previous 4 seasons, and even if he was at 4.25 or so, he’d be useful in a rotation that was getting slammed regularly with injuries.

If we’re talking about an ERA near 5, though…I can’t see much value in that. I guess my question is, would Suppan even be on the team right now if he weren’t owed $25 million over the next two seasons (plus a $2 million buyout in 2011, lest we forget)? I have a hard time imagining it.

I kind of understand the point you’re making, though I think the difference between Son of Clung! and Suppan is already more than “slight.” But aren’t you also essentially saying that Suppan is too sucky to move to the bullpen?

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Dec 30, 2008 4:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm saying the innings he would fill in the bullpen are worthless innings.

Essentially, I don’t think he’s capable of filling a useful role there. The only thing he could occasionally do is save the bullpen on a day when the starter doesn’t get out of the second inning, or pitch the last three of a 10-2 loss.

I don't specifically articulate my motives, because that wouldn't travel as well as a boo does.

by KLSnow on Dec 30, 2008 6:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

But I also think he’s a worthless pitcher, so it’s a perfect fit.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Dec 30, 2008 10:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I just finished a post expanding on this topic.

Look for it to post around 1 pm tomorrow.

I don't specifically articulate my motives, because that wouldn't travel as well as a boo does.

by KLSnow on Dec 31, 2008 2:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That does make a lot of sense, thanks. Put that way, I’ll take A.

Can they send Soup to Nashville instead? (just kidding)

by morineko on Dec 30, 2008 11:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He’s the official Brewer for the miscellaneous trading bad contracts threads around the intertubes. Maybe he’ll be a bit better (probably not – I know).

Does DM the GM say to him something like “you aren’t doing well, perhaps you should come to ST in excellent condition.” What does he say?

by ol Pete on Dec 29, 2008 11:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Penny

Brad Penny for $5 million seems like a great idea. If he triggers the $3 million bonus you have to figure he’s pitching pretty well and has earned that money.

by kingcharlesxii on Dec 29, 2008 3:04 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I greatly suspect

That if Brad Penny had been available to all 30 teams at one year, $5 million, he would have signed weeks or months ago. I’m not sure what happened here, but it seems unlikely that that was the best offer he got.

I don't specifically articulate my motives, because that wouldn't travel as well as a boo does.

by KLSnow on Dec 29, 2008 3:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

One thing he said was he chose Boston because it gave him the best chance to win.

by ol Pete on Dec 29, 2008 8:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Was he stubborn about who he wanted to play with?

I was just talking about Penny with a friend on Friday, and he said We didn’t have a chance at signing Penny because he would only play for a few teams. I hadnt seen anything anywhere else about it, though.

by tcyoung on Dec 29, 2008 4:43 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

that should be a reply to KL

and the We shoudln’t be capitalized.. whatcha gonna do?

by tcyoung on Dec 29, 2008 4:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Dec 29, 2008 5:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

sit back and root for the taser

September 15: Not a bad little Monday

by molitorfan on Dec 30, 2008 7:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't tase me, bro!

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Dec 30, 2008 10:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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