Community Prospect Rankings: Voting for #4
by Kyle Lobner on Dec 29, 2008 12:00 PM CST
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PrintSo, with over 50% of the vote, Jeremy Jeffress was selected as the Brewers #3 prospect. Here are the nominees for #4:
Lorenzo Cain, OF
Rankings:
Brewerfan.net Power 50: 8
John Sickels: 7
Baseball Prospectus: 6
Age: 22
Seasons in minors: 4
Top level reached in 2008: AAA
2008 Statistics:
Nashville (AAA): 19 AB, .158/.273/.158
Huntsville (AA): 148 AB, .277/.363/.486
Brevard County (A+): 317 AB, .287/.358/.448
Brett Lawrie, C
Rankings:
Brewerfan.net Power 50: 6
John Sickels: 3
Baseball Prospectus: 2
Age: 18
Seasons in minors: 0
Top level reached in 2008: Canadian Olympic Team
Did not appear in the minors in 2008
Jonathan Lucroy, C
Rankings:
Brewerfan.net Power 50: 7
John Sickels: 5
Baseball Prospectus: 8
Age: 22
Seasons in minors: 2
Top level reached in 2008: A+
2008 Statistics:
Brevard County (A+): 236 AB, .292/.364/.479
West Virginia (A): 239 AB, .310/.391/.510
Jake Odorizzi, RHP
Rankings:
Brewerfan.net Power 50: 11
John Sickels: 8
Baseball Prospectus: 7
Age: 18
Seasons in minors: 1
Top level reached in 2008: Arizona (Rookie)
2008 Statistics:
AZL Brewers (Rookie): 20.2 IP, 3.48 ERA, 1.31 WHIP
Angel Salome, C
Rankings:
Brewerfan.net Power 50: 4
John Sickels: 6
Baseball Prospectus: 5
Age: 22
Seasons in minors: 5
Top level reached in 2008: Major Leagues
2008 Statistics:
Milwaukee (NL): 3 AB, .000/.000/.000
Huntsville (AA): 367 AB, .360/.415/.559
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So I'm curious
judging by the votes, Salome is the runaway so far. Can anyone make a case why they like Lawrie or Salome better than Lucroy? I thought this would be pretty dang close.
Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.
I don’t know how valid my case is for choosing Salome over Lucroy, other than my personal view on ranking prospects tends to give higher ranks to the guys who are almost ready as opposed to the ones who are nearly identical but are’t ready yet.
As for Lawrie—this is an honest newbie question here—how does one evaluate a man who hasn’t played at either the minor-league or high collegiate level, and how do you compare him to other players in the organization who have been there a while?
(The same question goes for pitchers, with even more uncertainty; “there is no such thing as a pitching prospect” and such, and the history of baseball is full of pitchers who didn’t get it together until their late 20s)
The dance of the three catchers
I tend to prefer Lucroy over Salome because I think, of the three, Lucroy is the one with the most chance of actually playing catcher in the big leagues long-term.
Then I’ll take Salome over Lawrie, because Salome is much closer to the big leagues.
I also expected this one to be a lot closer…in fact, I’m disappointed.
I don't specifically articulate my motives, because that wouldn't travel as well as a boo does.
sure
Solome had better numbers at a higher level. that’s my rationale.
I just sit back and root for the taser
I can agree with that
But defense is also part of the game, and Lucroy is pretty good at that part. Also, I don’t expect Salome to hit anywhere near .300, and Lucroy’s OBP-BA was actually a little bigger than Salome’s.
Lawrie is a guy that is tough to place. I really like him, but you just can’t evaluate him yet. If he would have played in Helena last year and hit .350 with a bunch of homers, I could consider putting him ahead of either of these two, but I just can’t do that until we get a taste of his numbers at A. I’m excited to watch him if he is in Appleton, though.
Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.
I understand your argument there
but if OBP-BA was such a huge factor in deciding a prospect, then why is everyone so high on Escobar? You can make the contention that he was extremely hit lucky with a .380 BABIP, and granted his defense is “stellar”, but he still made 20 errors, and while he did jack 8 homers last year, it could easily be an outlier, and we are left with a Neifi perez with better contact skills, which is a decent, but not great #8 hitter.
Solome won’t hit .360 every year, but he’s hit .326 over his minor league career, and twice over .340. Don’t get me wrong, I like Lucroy, and it will help with depth at that position to the point where in a perfect world, we can use Lawrie’s athleticism elsewhere, but I think that since Salome is closer, he gets my nod
I just sit back and root for the taser
And Salome might well be the better prospect
But it’s 4:1 Salome:Lucroy right now, and I think it’s a heck of a lot closer than that, and Lawrie also has a lot more than Lucroy. I can certainly see Salome over Lucroy, but I don’t think Lawrie over Lucroy is an easy case to make.
Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.
Plus
If you don’t vote for Salome, he’ll insist that you be beheaded, and your head displayed on a platter.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
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