Tuesday's Frosty Mug

by KLSnow on Dec 30, 2008 8:34 AM CST Comment 34 comments

Some things to read while taking a break from Arkanoid.

It's a short mug this morning, but if you finish before 10 you can watch Game 7 of the 1982 World Series on MLB.TV.

There isn't so much as a new Brewer hot stove rumor to discuss today, but that's not for lack of money: 2009 ticket sales are up and the club is touting their economic security.

If the Brewers are looking for an upgrade at third base, the market has likely passed them by...Beyond the Box Score takes a look at the second and third basemen still available...and rates Craig Counsell as the best option.

Bill Chuck of Baseball Digest Daily has a list of games to remember in 2008, but they're not the ones you'd expect. His favorite Brewer memories: September 19, when the Brewers gave up seven home runs to the Reds, and September 24, when the Brewers beat the Pirates 4-2 on two singles and nine walks.

Could you, if asked, name the Brewer with stolen bases in the most consecutive games? Recondite Baseball has the answer: Pat Listach stole a base in 7 straight games in 1992. Tommy Harper also did it for the 1969 Pilots.

As of this writing, Angel Salome leads Brett Lawrie by 24 votes and Jonathan Lucroy by 63 votes in the voting for Brewer prospect #4. Go cast your vote if you haven't, and the voting for #5 will be posted at noon today.

Among the former Brewers on the hot stove:

True Blue LA thinks the Dodgers should be pursuing Ben Sheets.
The Pirates are reportedly one of three finalists in the sweepstakes to land Derrick Turnbow.

Elsewhere on the hot stove:

Blue Jays: Signed Michael Barrett to a minor league deal.
Dodgers: Reportedly were (but now are not) talking to the Mets about trading Andruw Jones, have been in contact with Adam Dunn and are also interested in Bobby Abreu.
Rockies: Are still interested in Tim Redding, but may also be looking to acquire Jason Marquis.

Need a charcoal fix? Big League Stew's video of tailgating at Miller Park made honorable mention in their best of 2008.

More MLB Network news: Sports Illustrated Senior Writer Tom Verducci has joined the network.

Oh, and don't walk barefoot in the sand at Petco Park.

Drink up.

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Sheets to Dodgers

Seventeenth pick would be nice.

by ol Pete on Dec 30, 2008 9:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I'm still holding onto hope

Sheets reups with us.

by SgtClueLs on Dec 30, 2008 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

me too

just give him the 2 year 30 mil deal w/ a 3rd option year and call it a day

I just sit back and root for the taser

by Hyatt on Dec 30, 2008 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I am as well big time

If he wants a single year do that or go for something like Hyatt suggests. Then call up Pettite and sell him on playing a year here. The outlook would change radically.

by ol Pete on Dec 30, 2008 10:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually

I think Sheets and Looper isn’t much worse than Sheets and Pettitte at this point in his career, and about $10 million cheaper.

I don't specifically articulate my motives, because that wouldn't travel as well as a boo does.

by KLSnow on Dec 30, 2008 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

maybe

If you’re looking at numbers, one pitched in the AL East and one in the NL Central. Personally I think “Bloop” is risky as hell. Sort of a ROOGY converted by Dave Duncan and then the Cards don’t offer him arbitration at a pretty low rate.

by ol Pete on Dec 30, 2008 10:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Don't need pettite

when you have a healthy Yo

I just sit back and root for the taser

by Hyatt on Dec 30, 2008 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That’s 2 pitchers. You’re going to need 6 or 7 or even 8 for the season. I wonder what the average number of starters used during a season is.

by ol Pete on Dec 30, 2008 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If you have CC

You only need one, and keep throwing him out there every game. :)

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Dec 30, 2008 11:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Now that he signed with the Yankees...

… I sort of wish they would have started him on two days rest. I’m not wishing for an injury to CC or anything bad for him personally, but if it happens I’ll laugh my ass off at the Yankees.

I have an unreasonable dislike of Bill Hall.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 30, 2008 4:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Over the last 10 seasons

Only one team (out of 300) has gotten through a season with only five different pitchers starting games. Any guess as to which it was? Nine used six starters and sixteen used seven. This isn’t pretty, but here are the overall numbers:

Starters Teams
5 1
6 9
7 16
8 37
9 42
10 51
11 43
12 46
13 29
14 14
15 6
16 3
17 3

The mean is 10.47, which is why teams preach depth, depth, depth. The Brewers never used fewer than 8 starters in a season over that span.

The one five-starter team was the 2003 Mariners.

Obscure baseball records and more at my blog, Recondite Baseball.

by TheJay on Dec 30, 2008 4:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It's a little past due for the question

but how many of the 15+ teams were of the Texas Ranger variety?

I just sit back and root for the taser

by Hyatt on Dec 30, 2008 5:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Four

2003 Reds – 17
2004 Rangers – 17
2006 Royals – 17
2000 Angels – 16
2002 Indians – 16
2003 Rangers – 16
2002 Padres – 15
2003 Royals – 15
2005 Nationals – 15
2006 Cubs – 15
2007 Rangers – 15
2008 Rangers – 15

Obscure baseball records and more at my blog, Recondite Baseball.

by TheJay on Dec 30, 2008 6:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

as a Metroplex resident

I am not shocked.

I just sit back and root for the taser

by Hyatt on Dec 30, 2008 10:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

those are eye popping numbers

by ol Pete on Dec 30, 2008 6:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I've posted a new poll about Sheets.

I’m curious how people feel about him now.

I don't specifically articulate my motives, because that wouldn't travel as well as a boo does.

by KLSnow on Dec 30, 2008 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I’m surprised at the poll result so far – 77 votes and 64 choose 1 or 2 and want him back.

by ol Pete on Dec 30, 2008 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

given the current market

are you really that surprised? knowing that CC, AJ, Penny, and soon Derek Lowe are off the market, it’s not shocking. I wanted CC back more, but I definitely would not want to see Sheets in another uniform if we didn’t close the giant hot dog.

I just sit back and root for the taser

by Hyatt on Dec 30, 2008 10:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The only other gauge I have to go by is Brewers radio shows and the collection of jerks that for some reason are given jobs on talk radio. The callers are heavily against him talking about his “mangina” et cetera. I don’t think any of the talk radio people want him back – the universal heave ho.

Well, I suppose other Brewer blogs too. I haven’t checked around much lately but they have been pretty negative

Maybe the readership of this blog is quite different than the fan base as a whole.

by ol Pete on Dec 31, 2008 12:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe the readership of this blog is quite different than the fan base as a whole.

This. There are fewer idiots here, by far. We actually know what we are talking about.

I can’t even listen to talk radio, ever, because I get too mad at those people.

Just compare our polls to the polls at JSonline, that’s the best way to show the difference in baseball intelligence.

Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.

by Jordan M on Dec 31, 2008 10:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The Pirates may be in the Turnbow derby, perhaps winning.

But when you’re playing for Turnbow, everyone loses eventually.

How far will this one fly?

by Rendezvous on Dec 30, 2008 11:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

That made little to no sense.

Change the everyone loses to you lose and its a little better.

How far will this one fly?

by Rendezvous on Dec 30, 2008 11:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

1982 is heartbreaking

I’m watching the replay. First time I’ve watched the entire game. Boy I’m glad I was only 5 during this.. 3 – 1 in the 6th and I know what’s going to happen in the Bottom half.

Glad I either..
a) Don’t remember it
b) Repressed it with other childhood traumas.

by SgtClueLs on Dec 30, 2008 11:32 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Counsell hasn’t signed with anyone yet! Is it plausible that the Brewers could come crawling back with an offer?

/irrational

by morineko on Dec 30, 2008 12:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

It's totally possible

I believe they said they still wanted to sign him after not picking up his option. They just don’t want to pay him 3.5 Mil… 4.5 Mil? I forgot how much his option was.

by tcyoung on Dec 30, 2008 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

$3.4 million, with a $400,000 buyout.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Dec 30, 2008 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I still like Joe Crede.

Obviously it all depends on whether or not he can stay healthy but I think that would make one excellent fielding platoon with him and Bill E. Hall.

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by jhmoore on Dec 30, 2008 2:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Would Crede want to sign to play in a platoon?

by tcyoung on Dec 30, 2008 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Unfortunately he's right handed

and he has pretty equal splits. I’d take him on a really cheap deal, but that’s about it.

Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.

by Jordan M on Dec 30, 2008 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It would be

in-Crede-i-Bill!

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Dec 30, 2008 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't even know what to do with this

There should be a button next to “Flag” and “Rec” that just symbolizes slowly shaking your head in despair.

Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.

by Jordan M on Dec 30, 2008 3:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

In an ideal world

It would be flagged and rec’d simultaneously. :)

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Dec 30, 2008 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

ahem..."fragged"

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Dec 30, 2008 3:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

For old guys like me, the idea of watching game 7 of the 82 world series...

… has roughly the same appeal as seeing a grade school buddy again years later only to hear him say “Hey, remember that time I kicked you in the balls? That was awesome, wasn’t it? Ha!”

I have an unreasonable dislike of Bill Hall.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 30, 2008 4:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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