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Cubs Vs. Brewers

Everyone is obviously, picking the Cubs to win this division, but I thought I would compare our players with the cubs players at each position. I really don't know how to adequately compare them, so I'm going to use an arbitrary 1-5 number system. Maybe I'll get crazy and throw some decimals in there. Consider this an overall grade, with an obvious bias towards offense. My numbers equate to 2.5=average  3+=very good  4+=All Star  5=Hall of Fame

Catcher:
Kendall 2.2
Soto      2.6

1st Base:
Fielder  4.5
Lee        3.7

2nd Base:
Weeks   2.9
Derosa  2.5

3rd Base:
Hall         2.8
Ramirez 4.2

Shortstop:
Hardy      3.2
Theriot    2.8

Left Field:
Braun      4.4
Soriano   4.4

Centerfield:
Cameron/Gwynn   3.4
Pie/Johnson            2.8

Right Field:
Hart                 3.9
Fukudome      2.8

Ace:
Sheets              3.6
Zambrano        4.2

#2 Pitcher:
Gallardo         3.9
Lilly                 3.7

#3 Pitcher:
Suppan           2.7
Hill                  3.6

#4 Pitcher:
Bush                2.4
Dempster       2.9

#5 Pitcher:
Villy/Manny    3.4
Marquis           2.8

Closer:
Gagne               3.8
Wood                3.6

Setup:
Turnbow           3.3
Marmol             4.2

Riske                  3.6
Howry                3.9

Mota                  2.9
Lieber                2.5

Shouse               3.1
Hart                    2.6

Torres                3.5
Wuertz               3.7

That's what I've come up with. I really tried to be as objective as possible, but my Cubs hatred runs pretty deep.

Here are the final tallies:
Brewers:  63.5
Cubs:       63.5

I really did not mean for the numbers to be exact, but I guess that shows what kind of season we have in front of us.

Feel free to agree or rip apart any of these rankings.

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"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Mar 28, 2008 3:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Pace yourself RJ.
If you spend all your anti-Cub vitriol in March you won't have enough left to snicker your way through the Brewers march to the division title in September. :)

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Mar 28, 2008 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Remember
It's a marathon (of loathing) not a sprint.

by drezdn on Mar 28, 2008 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

ha
beat me to it.
Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Mar 28, 2008 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think we're in any danger
of anti-Cub vitriol running out.

Even if RJ exhausts his energies, there are hundreds of us waiting to fly the flag in his place.

It's a marathon, not a sprint, but that doesn't we can't run fast the whole way :).

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Mar 28, 2008 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

In spirit of Yosting
Will we designate anyone for 7th, 8th inning and closer vitriol duty?  I volunteer for the LOOGY vitriol position.

by Joe on Mar 28, 2008 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mop Up
Can I be the Mop Up taunter, coming in when we're way behind? Like a Chuck Crim of troll defense.

by drezdn on Mar 28, 2008 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Marty could manage the taunters
...then we'd start a site criticizing him when he leaves the 8th inning taunter in too long when he clearly doesn't have his best stuff.

by Jordan M on Mar 28, 2008 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey
I sent a guy out there to do a job and he didn't get it done.  Plain and simple.

by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 28, 2008 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

two bits i like
Everyone is obviously picking the Cubs to win this division

did you mean "obviously, everyone is picking the cubs to win this division" or "everyone is obviously picking the cubs to win this division?"

;)

Also, i like this:

Maybe I'll get crazy and throw some decimals in there.

And then at no time were you not crazy. that's crazy awesome.

It's fun ranking players like you did. However, one of the problems with totaling it up like you did, or any straight 1 to 1 comparison is that you have brian shouse as important as aramis ramirez by weighting them the same (1).

So break it up into three groups, hitters, starters and bullpen and see how your totals come out, might be a little more interesting.

Also, I take sheets over lilly and hill easy, and both suppan and bush about equal or slightly better than dempster.

Bring Back The Old Logo!

by jacob on Mar 28, 2008 4:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Thanks for the advice
Also, comma needs to be added to my sentence, and I'll change that.

I see what you mean about the weights, and I originally thought about it. However, I was so surprised that both teams ended with the same number that I thought I would leave it.

by brewfan2 on Mar 28, 2008 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sheets
I think wins are a very stupid stat when looking at pitchers.  So, to make myself look stupid, I'm going to say that until Sheets can win more than 12 games in a season, I'm not going to rate him very high.

by brewfan2 on Mar 28, 2008 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Strange comparisons
According to the baseball-reference website (I think that's it). One of Riske's top comparable players: Mota. So the two are interchangeable.

Gagne's top comparison: Francisco Cordero

by drezdn on Mar 28, 2008 4:43 PM CDT reply actions  

D. Lee
is almost assuredly a 4+, but good off the cuff comparison none the less.  Baseball is almost here!

by Braunstalker on Mar 28, 2008 8:59 PM CDT reply actions  

yeah
I thought about rating him higher, but even though he has been hurt, 30 total homers in 2 years isn't very good. However, his defense is outstanding.

by brewfan2 on Mar 28, 2008 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay, so in a unitless metric...
...you just made up, that (admittedly) is biased toward offense (and presumably away from defense, the Brewers' biggest liability)... the Cubs and Brewers are a dead heat.

Does this maybe explain why the Cubs are favored to win the division? Just... maybe?

by cwyers on Mar 29, 2008 10:35 AM CDT reply actions  

boy
I'm so glad you have shined the light on this obscure subject for us.
Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Mar 29, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wanted to create conversation
I felt by creating my own numbers, it would stir up more conversation.

With defense, I think the brewers will be better this year and I don't think the cubs are that much better.

by brewfan2 on Mar 29, 2008 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

colin

i expect better from you.

Bring Back The Old Logo!

by jacob on Mar 30, 2008 1:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't.

That's about par for the course.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Mar 30, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

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