Long-term offers out to Braun, Fielder, and Kendall

by roguejim on Mar 30, 2008 1:15 AM CDT in News Comment 39 comments

Just kidding about the Kendall part. The Braun and Fielder part, though, is true, so sayeth Mark A.:

The Brewers have submitted multiyear contract proposals to representatives for first baseman Prince Fielder and left fielder Ryan Braun that would "buy out" at least one year of free agency and include an option for an additional year past that.

Brewers principal owner Mark Attanasio revealed that development on Saturday, when thousands of fans filed into Miller Park for the annual "On Deck" event and the team's Spring Training finale against the Royals. Attanasio acknowledged fans' interest in the long-term fate of young stars like Fielder and Braun, but he stressed that negotiations with those two and other potential targets could take a while.

The same article points out that...

The Brewers payroll is at about $80 million
If need be, there's some cash available for a trade deadline pickup
3 million tickets or bust!
Will an offer be made to Sheets? No comment.

I wonder if Prince still feels hurt and insulted, knowing he has an offer worth tens of millions of dollars on the table.

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i think its great to see atty trying to resign our youngsters to long term deals .. but .. even tho i love prince fielder as much as anyone else in the city of milwaukee, id rather see the crew resign hart, weeks, and gallardo before him .. i just think its in the best interest to shop him around after his arb yrs are up .. we hav laporta quickly ascending the ranks and i project him to be a 290 hitter with 30 and 110/yr. Thus, not missin princes production as much .. for prince, we can get a solid 3 pitcher and 2 more excellent prospects who are almost sure bets to be above average MLB players. yanks - ian kennedy? any thoughts ???

by CrewTailgaterD on Mar 29, 2008 6:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

or

best case scenario would be if prince turned down our offer for more money somewhere else .. then alot of ppl would lose respect for him for chasin the money, and it wouldnt be as tough to see him go .. and ppl wouldnt lose any respect for the brewers org. since they can say that they tried their best to get prince resigned . sorry prince...pure speculation here bud

by CrewTailgaterD on Mar 29, 2008 6:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I like it...

Should keep Prince quiet.

by brewfan2 on Mar 29, 2008 7:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

keep him quiet?

Aside from one thing he said on the day his contract was renewed, I'm not aware that he's said anything.

It's everyone else that won't let it die.

by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 29, 2008 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He shouldn't have complained in the beginning

He complained last year and this year about his contract.

If he would have won an MVP and a ROY like Ryan Howard, then he would have had a right to complain. At least he didn't get a deal like BJ Upton. He had a great year and somehow is making less than last year.

by brewfan2 on Mar 29, 2008 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No right to complain?

Who gave you the right to complain about his complaining?

This is America, pal. All we do is complain about our salaries and how much the government takes out of them. If you don't like it, go back to Cuba with the rest of your pinko Commie pals.

by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 29, 2008 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think you answered your own question

The Constitution>Bill of Rights>First Amendment gives him the right to complain about the complaining.

"Shabbat shalom, motherfuckers" - Ryan Braun

by The Prospector on Mar 29, 2008 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I suppose

But if it incites anti-Prince violence, then it's not protected anymore, right?

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by TheJay on Mar 30, 2008 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The standard

I suppose any room that Prince is in must be considered crowded, eh?

by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 30, 2008 6:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Jeez I hate it when

people cite the constitution as the source of their right to say anything. The first amendment, and in fact, the entire bill of rights, are actually restrictions on government power. They don't GIVE anyone the right to do anything, and hey sure as hell don't prevent any non-governmental entity (say, like Marty here) from telling you to shut up.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Mar 30, 2008 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Correct

However, by limiting governmental power, it inevitably gives more power and rights to the people.

by brewfan2 on Mar 30, 2008 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly

You can argue semantics all you want, but in the end if it says the government can't limit something, in effect it means that you have it (ie freedom of speech)

Formerly "Ball and Glove"

by Stoa on Mar 30, 2008 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

didn't want to bury this

but al commented on klsnow's water comment in his frosty mug,

"This bit of drama brought to you by Brew Crew Ball, a usually good Brewers' read, though it would appear Jeff Sackmann is not contributing much anymore. I'm not sure of the situation at DC's new park, but at Miller Park, they have no rules against bringing in your own water, many drinking fountains, and of course, plenty of sinks if you need water.

Why do you get the feeling the ones that don't understand capitalism are also the ones who buy the most overpriced stuff at the ballpark?"

"If there is a more reactionary blog with idiotic commentary out there I'd be surprised." -On Bleed Cubbie Blue

by Michael M on Mar 29, 2008 10:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

my bad

klsnow's original comment:
"Pricing something like bottled water at $4 for a 3-hour, outdoor, summer event is a public health risk, plain and simple, and I'm surprised teams get away with it.--"

"If there is a more reactionary blog with idiotic commentary out there I'd be surprised." -On Bleed Cubbie Blue

by Michael M on Mar 29, 2008 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Meh

That's Al for ya. Us "casuals" clearly don't know as much about the game than him. Al never, ever buys into something people are complaining about- whether it be global warming, the state of the economy, Bud Selig, or what the "braintrust" is doing. Everything's always peachy. I read his site because sometimes it's worth it, but it's often difficult to wade through the conservative slant he gives off.

"Shabbat shalom, motherfuckers" - Ryan Braun

by The Prospector on Mar 29, 2008 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

about the game as him

by The Prospector on Mar 29, 2008 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i agree

in regards to his blog, that's true.

it was just too funny for me not to post here, plus I had actually forgotten that you could bring water into miller park and maybe klsnow didn't know or forgot too.

"If there is a more reactionary blog with idiotic commentary out there I'd be surprised." -On Bleed Cubbie Blue

by Michael M on Mar 29, 2008 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ouch

It's not enough to not read his blog, I now have to be on the lookout for blockquotes on BCB. I'm surprised he didn't go further and explain that he would never buy bottled water in the first place, because only foolish spendthrifts would pay for something that comes free from a drinking fountain. And that if you were foolish enough to buy bottled water, you might as well get it for a nickel a bottle at wal-mart, where they bottle the sweat of child laborers in guatemala and sell it under the Kathie Lee brand. And anyone that has a problem with that simply doesn't understand capitalism.

by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 29, 2008 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

kathie lee water!

now that's capitalism

"If there is a more reactionary blog with idiotic commentary out there I'd be surprised." -On Bleed Cubbie Blue

by Michael M on Mar 29, 2008 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I said something similar in the comments section

Just saying that he has a point there. It's pretty dumb to complain about something being overpriced or a health risk when you can get it for free at the stadium. I will agree the final line of his post was extraneous.

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by TheJay on Mar 30, 2008 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

dead wrong.

false friend. false.

it's not dumb to complain. it makes perfect sense to complain. it's irresponsible of miller park to try to make an enormous profit off of something that people need to survive. Need it enough that the government makes every effort to provide it as cheaply as possible. If they are selling water at $4 a bottle they also have a responsibility to offer the tap water in bottles at cost.

it's not fair to the public to take advantage of the public for being the public. know what i mean? al's saying essentially that stupid people should stay stupid and poor unless they choose not to be, and the private sector/government has zero responsibility to help them stop being stupid and poor.

al is what you would call a cheap labor conservative. his view of the world thrives on, depends on the ditch diggers. help them, and you hurt 'us.'

nope, i'm with klsnow, complaining is what helps the world go 'round.

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by jacob on Mar 30, 2008 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Huh?

"If they are selling water at $4 a bottle they also have a responsibility to offer the tap water in bottles at cost.
it's not fair to the public to take advantage of the public for being the public. know what i mean?"

I don't get that. They're not making you buy their bottled water (you can get tap water for free throughout the stadium), so why is it an issue what they charge? I guess I don't understand your comment about having a responsibility to charge for tap water.

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by TheJay on Mar 30, 2008 1:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

fair enough

pure capitalism would say, hey, if people are stupid enough to pay $4 dollars for a bottle water, or perhaps the difference between $4 and 0$ for whatever value they perceive they are getting is worth it then...whatever... miller park gets to charge $4.

the problem is that it is water. people will pay $4 a bottle for water because they are stupid. it's fine to sell people ford f-150s cause they are stupid... because they don't need them... but once you start taking advantage of the stupid for things they need to survive, the public (government) has an obligation to step in and say "hey, don't do that. don't be stupid." one of the ways to fulfill that obligation is to complain.

if a family of four is dying of thirst at the ballpark and drops $16 dollars on water they could otherwise obtain for free and it ends up costing them two meals next week, should someone/anyone feel bad? i think so. if you are a part of a community you should. if you are a cold me-first type individual then no, i suppose you wouldn't... so fair enough... nobody is making the stupid be stupid, so ... good enough, life goes on.

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by jacob on Mar 30, 2008 1:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Okay

I don't disagree with you in general, but I still say they could get water elsewhere at the park for free. They don't shut off the bubblers during the game, do they? I do think charging $4 is overboard, but I don't think it's really a life-or-death thing. Meh...

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by TheJay on Mar 30, 2008 1:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and i don't

disagree with you in general either.

but klsnow (and I for that matter) do the public a service by complaining that water is being sold at such a gigantic markup. those attacking that complaint (ie: 'blah blah blah drama blah" -- in other words-- al of al's ramblings) are doing the public a disservice.

yes, i agree with you that it is not a life or death thing, and yes, i agree with you (if you believe this) that miller park gets to charge whatever they want for water. but i think it's immoral, and i think it's important to say "hey, this is ridiculous." it's not dumb to complain, it's our duty, as thoughtful citizens to complain.

just like how people complain about players salaries--except far more important, useful and relevant.

;)

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by jacob on Mar 30, 2008 1:47 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs

I just recommended this reply

Because we can do that now, you know.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Mar 30, 2008 1:51 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Me too

I like its spunk.

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by TheJay on Mar 30, 2008 1:55 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Plus

recommending is like an anti-complaint, so it probably cheeses him off too. :)

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Mar 30, 2008 1:57 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Oh you guys...

...I very often detect an anti-Al sentiment lurking around here. Let's examine some of our own ridiculous overstatements before we get so critically literal of everyone else's. (Incidentally, the team seems sadly unbalanced this year...feels like we're one over-sized head short in our outfield platoon).

"This is pretty much like AAA pitching..." -Ryan Braun

by BraunBack Mt on Mar 30, 2008 12:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

asdf

Let's examine some of our own ridiculous overstatements before we get so critically literal of everyone else's.

That doesn't sound like much fun. :)

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Mar 30, 2008 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed...

I withdraw my former statement. Let's make fun of Mench some more.

"This is pretty much like AAA pitching..." -Ryan Braun

by BraunBack Mt on Mar 30, 2008 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I heard

he has a giant head. :D

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Mar 30, 2008 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good one

and he looks like Shrek. (hee hee)

"This is pretty much like AAA pitching..." -Ryan Braun

by BraunBack Mt on Mar 30, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i totally agree

let's all take turns examining our own ridiculous overstatements...

i'll go first. it was silly of me to say the brewers need to hit more homeruns...

ok, your turn braunback mt.

i can see this is going to lead to wonderful things. perhaps we can do away with the whole notion of congressional oversight if we just learn to be introspective and look at our own ridiculousness before we go and get all extrospective and righteous. i mean, right? let's let the fools have their TAR-TAR SAUCE and their ridiculous opinions... cause are we really willing to give up ours?

i mean really?

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by jacob on Mar 30, 2008 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

My turn

I can't believe that you used the word "extrospective." Ridiculous. Oops, there I go being critical of others people's ridiculous statements. I'm afraid I just not very good at this.

"This is pretty much like AAA pitching..." -Ryan Braun

by BraunBack Mt on Mar 30, 2008 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

um, no

We are guilty of a lot of types of statements, but I don't think anyone here indulges in the condescending, self-indulgent snobbery that Al displays on his blog. He has somehow managed to get himself linked as one of the top Brewer blogs, and then insults anyone who doesn't agree with him, Brewers management or Bud Selig as "casuals." He further takes advantage of the Brewers-generated traffic to spout simplistic political commentary and finishes with cheap throwaway lines. When challenged via email on the statements he makes, he fails to make a correction or comment.

And he's the worst type of blogger. He makes ridiculous statements and insults a wide range of people, and doesn't allow comments on his blog, so that he can never be publicly challenged. He's a coward, and his love of authority makes him no more insightful than a press release.

by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 30, 2008 6:57 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs

well said

that earned a recommendation.

"If there is a more reactionary blog with idiotic commentary out there I'd be surprised." -On Bleed Cubbie Blue

by Michael M on Mar 30, 2008 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Say what you want....

But Al is my first source for the latest reviews of any new series on HBO.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Mar 30, 2008 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh you guys...

...(sigh) cf. above.

"This is pretty much like AAA pitching..." -Ryan Braun

by BraunBack Mt on Mar 30, 2008 12:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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