Game Thread #13: Brewers (8-4) at Cardinals (9-4)
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 6:32 PM CDT
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PrintIt's Dave Bush against Braden Looper. The action starts at 7:15 CT.
The Brewers lineup, featuring Kapler against a righty and Dillon subbing for Braun, and if I do say so myself, some of you are seriously overreacting. We all knew Kapler would start seeing time against righties as long as he kept hitting like this, and Dillon is one sub, giving Braun his first day off of the year.
It isn't how I would do it, but compared to the "approved" lineup (Gross and Braun instead), we're losing about 3/10 of a run. And that's assuming that Kapler and Gross both play according to their preseason projections...which at the very least, Ned probably doesn't believe.
Ok, I've stepped down from my pedestal now.
To see what I had to say in response to 5 questions at Viva El Birdos, click here. Scroll on down here at BCB if you want to see lboros's answers to mine. (It's worth it.) And if you want to drench yourself in situational stats, here's the baseball-reference game preview.
I haven't seen the official Cardinals starting lineup yet, but if they go with the same starting eight that they used against a righty on Saturday night, Project-A-tron says:
- Brewers 4.9
- Cardinals 4.4
- Brewers WinExp: 51%
Also, if TLR stays true to form, we'll have a matchup of pitchers batting eighth. Not that it matters a whole lot for the Cards--catcher/Kennedy/pitcher/Izturis is just one mass of Triple-A goodness at the plate. Remarkably, while Izturis and Aaron Miles have gotten 12 of the 13 starts in the 9 hole, the SLG out of the 8 position is higher than that from the 9th.
Go Brewers!
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Alert! Alert!
Ned’s playing the hot hand! :)
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performance, production and plans for the future
What goes into pitching staff decisions according to Maddux talking to Trenni.
three p's
that sounds like an internal memo gone horribly awry.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
He should've just said
Grittiness, veteranniness, and spite of Pete :)
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Did he say
what the difference is between performance and production for a pitcher?
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
Did anyone catch Pujols on WSSP?
Albert is really kind of funny.
I get confused between Cliffy and Sparky but what dopey questions.
hey hey
just got off the phone with a reporter from the Wall Street Journal…they might be running a piece on the pitcher-8th business.
Also, cheese.
Are you saying
Ned is responsible for the recession? Startling!
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
WSJ is running out of news...?
How about JPM’s $77 trillion in derivitive exposure? Nah, baseball’s sexier.
by heybatterbatter on Apr 15, 2008 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah
all this lineup-analysis-related math…way sexy.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions
i forgot the interesting part
I mentioned that Powell hasn’t been too excited about the pitcher batting 8th, so the reporter said he’d give Powell a call. Will be interesting to hear how that goes.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions
ut oh
You are going to be on his crap list. Powell defending baseball tradition over stats
Good time for Prince's first homer
Plenty of good storylines today
and its beanball redux and Bushy, but as they beat those two to death, I realized that Seth the big Scot is the long guy. Wonder if he gets some time tonight.
well
that pushes Brewers projected runs up to 5.1, and the winexp up to 52.5%.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Fun
I just don’t want to think about where he was scratched.
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Let's go Brewers!
Need a real baseball win to offset my fantasy baseball woes (Bedard/Ortiz were my first two picks)
Ned Yost's Brewers: Braun Over Brains
a commenter at VEB
says Soriano got hurt “doing that stupid hop he does” and left the game.
Also, cheese.
He's almost made me forget Chris Magruder
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wow
he HAD made me forget about chris magruder! And those were the years I went to the most games, too.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Look on the bright side
He could double his career home run total with one swing. Even Braun can’t do that.
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Our 3rd and 4rh batters
have the same BA as Pujols….if you combine them both! :(
by heybatterbatter on Apr 15, 2008 7:20 PM CDT reply actions
I don't want to spoil it
But they win in the end.
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are you saying they make it back to earth???
then this episode about nelix and his unusual cooking doesnt need to be watched…
Looks like the strikezone is a bit wide
Especially inside. Hopefully Bush can take advantage of that and not throw too many meatballs.
If he does throw meatballs
Too bad the guy who’d lay off them is on our team!
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i like it, BUT...
i find it strange that he signed with the brewers. dont you guys think it will be tough for him to make the Major League Roster?
I don't know...
let’s say somebody is moved to the pen for GAllardo, then if somebody else gets hurt in the next month (even if just a 15-day DL thing) before that guy can be stretched out again, we need somebody. Weaver instead of Narveson…eh.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions
ya. i can see that.
i guess i just dont see why weaver would sign here. we obviously have a lot of guys that can be in our rotation.
maybe nobody else wanted him :)
or he figured if he was going to sign somewhere, might as well be a contender.
anyway, there’s an out clause…probably the biggest benefit to him is to be pitching in AAA. If he pitches well for a month, he’ll have a MLB job somewhere by June 1st, whether in Milwaukee or not.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions
There really is no risk for us in this deal
If he makes it to the majors and contributes in any way, its found money. If he doesn’t make it, then he becomes a free agent again and no harm is done. I don’t see the risk.
$4-$5mln
As the most possible… Not a bad deal, if he plays well, pay him…
What would you predict he would have to accomplish to earn the full incentive?
I would say win 15 games? Any other predictions what it would be tied to? # of starts, ERA, Ks, Wins?
probably innings, mostly
almost all starter incentive clauses are innings-related.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions
WOW
Nice start…. maybe the pressure being, he knows this is the most important start of his career, could decide whether he starts 20 games this year, or 0
Not a bad pitch that Albert hit
But why would you have a shift if you going to pitch him outside?
by throughhyperspace on Apr 15, 2008 7:27 PM CDT reply actions
Atleast we didn't haven't intentionally hit Albert yet
Although it would have rendered the same result
um,...
what does the ACTIONS button do in the thread next to REPLY?
and, what is 0 recs?
(i promise i wont ask anymore dumb questions today…)
recs = recommendations
if you click “rec”, you’re “recommending” a comment. If 4 people recommend it, it gets highlighted so nobody misses it.
Click “actions” and you get a bunch of stuff:
-Flag (do this if it’s a troll or spam or something)
-Rec (above)
-Delete (obvious)
-Hide (obvious)
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hey!
I don’t get the delete and hide God powers.. Unfair!!
by throughhyperspace on Apr 15, 2008 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions
oops :)
I’ll bet you have the option to delete your own comments, right?
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think so
Us mere mortals don’t get anything if we click actions on our own posts (at least I don’t…)
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by TheJay on Apr 15, 2008 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
interesting.
good to know.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually
no.. The “actions” link just disappears, lol..
by throughhyperspace on Apr 15, 2008 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Clicking actions lets you flag or recommend other people's posts
The “recs” thing is just the number of recommendations a particular post has gotten. Flag is used for unacceptable/obscene posts.
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BA and Schroeder in rare form
Talking about Glaus looking for his first home run as a Cardinal, and then talking about the trade with Rolen. BA then says “Rolen of to a nice start in Toronto” followed by a Schroeder “MmmHmm”. Rolen’s stats this year: 0 PA, .000/.000/.000
Not watching/listening
What happened?
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Albert
Had to make a tag at first… and he went down clutching his wrist… looked serious… but he is fine and still playing
Vendors
do you think the program vendors get the night off tonight?
Good time for Prince's first homer
ha, I get it.
but isn’t it just Prince who is wearing 42 for the Brewers?
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Tell me about it
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
Don't blame the order
as much as the GIDP. The order will help us (however slightly) than if it were switched.
FSN cameras...
thought Glaus was going to second. It was like watching a bad camerman try to follow a 300-foot drive.
Also, cheese.
I don’t ever remember it being this bad in the last couple years.. Spring training for them hopefully
by throughhyperspace on Apr 15, 2008 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Walk for JJ
I see how JJ can get frustrated batting in front of the pitcher… not seeing any great pitches… but it’s a walk and you are on base… tough luck this inning for the pitcher batting 8th, but it is a loooong season
sorry to hijack
Jeff, I suppose you didn’t mean it this way, but I love this part of your side of the 5Q:
(on the Crew’s low OBP): “We make up for it by getting hit by a lot of pitches. Jason Kendall and Mike Cameron were both signed in part for this reason …”
ha!
good catch. I added the “we make up for it…” line later, and didn’t reread.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions
"one mass of triple a goodness"
nice..
by throughhyperspace on Apr 15, 2008 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
at first, i was looking at the lineup from saturday
which had larue instead of molina. even worse!
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions
ba and bill s both mentioned a cammeron homerun a few days ago..
in a span of 35 seconds. they arent really listening to each other very well.
if you were working with Bill
would you listen to him?
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Jeff Weaver look alikes
http://espn.go.com/page2/s/looking/archive10.html
http://www.dodgerblues.com/content/features_lookalikes8.html
Kurt Cobain and Shaggy from Scooby Doo… I feel like he looks like someone else… and other ideas?
by Kyguy922 on Apr 15, 2008 7:51 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
And Apparently Daryl Hall
http://www.dodgerblues.com/content/features_lookalikes11.html
Who I have no idea who he is… but according to Wikipedia is from Hall and Oates
Which post?
the lookalikes? The recs must take awhile to auto-update.. if they do
by throughhyperspace on Apr 15, 2008 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ahh
Must have seen the “L” highlighted after the fact… A refresh takes too long to catch up. Or at least clicking a link and then hitting the back button
by throughhyperspace on Apr 15, 2008 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
nevermind
a refresh isn’t nearly as bad.. Although kinda pointless with the new threads..
by throughhyperspace on Apr 15, 2008 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions
On third thought
I suppose that may change after 300+ comments.. Alright, I’m done now
by throughhyperspace on Apr 15, 2008 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions
i meant to rec the jeff weaver look-alikes; but i think i screwed it up...
maybe i dont catch on quickly… :(
Looper
I spent all of last spring saying how Looper was going to stink as a starter…I still am surprised every time he makes it through an inning unscathed.
Also, cheese.
A really obvious post.
It really is amazing how we can just kill good left handed pitching and look so poor against right handers. This is where we really need Prince to come alive and when Cameron comes back even more so.
Rickie
He still has missed a couple of balls he should have had but I really like how quickly he gets the ball out of his glove. That extra half second has really helped with the double plays recently.
all around
he usually looks really good. except for that 5% of the time he does something little league-style.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions
at the rate i'm going
that’ll induce my first heart attack.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey, no one said blogging is for sissies.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
True
and there was that Times article about blogging killing people people.
(It’s not blogging that kills people, it’s bloggers that kill people.)
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions
You'll get my blogger
when you pry him from my cold, dead keyboard.
Or something like that.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
Three pitchers in the two starting lineups
none of them batting 9th.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
Pie in the Cubs game
Looks hurt after running into the sharp vines and cold bricks, after making a beautiful catch… Not serious, remains in the game.
When you think of how nasty that wall is and how many games have been played there, I can’t believe there has never been a death associated with Wrigley’s wall…
Imagine this guy in Wrigley… he would probably still be in a wheelchair
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vK1gd1RNCJI
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
Still batting 6th
I know we have some good players in our lineup… but the 6 spot doesn’t feel like he belongs there
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
Corey
two going the opposite way!
As Rock says, “He’s seeing it now”
by throughhyperspace on Apr 15, 2008 8:12 PM CDT reply actions
you move faster
with grit in your shoes.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions
When he accelerates
he leaves a cloud of grit.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
I think Bush is going to grow a soul patch here.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
or he'll look stupid
on 4 half-swings.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions
"Feilder is going to tag at second"
my heart starts pounding, but really BA was just channeling Uech
by throughhyperspace on Apr 15, 2008 8:14 PM CDT reply actions
he was "tagging"
as in, holding right at the base. he just didn’t try to advance.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
what was it, two steps from the bag? lumbering prince steps at that
by throughhyperspace on Apr 15, 2008 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Bush WAS reading the paper this morning
Glad to know he is staying up to date on current events… hopefully he wasn’t reading the game preview to see his ERA
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
That is Dave Bush
Not George
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
Maybe it will
If Kendall starts the inning with a hit next inning and scores… it would be a good argument on the counter… as soon as people say it isn’t working, there is the possibility for the next inning to prove that assessment wrong
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
Maybe it's because
Corey is doing well now and Fielder, not so much, but I wonder what the odds are of Corey Hart putting together a better career than Prince (excluding injury risk, that is).
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
speed generally "ages" better
I think Corey’s career is going to be better than most people expect. Not hall of fame or anything, but very solid.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions
He is going to VERY good. Who knows, maybe if he was getting the 100 ab’s he is losing right now he would be a well known player.
I dont think
there is a 100 ab difference between 6 and 4… maybe 15-30 during the course of the season
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
Wouldn’t that be in the ballpark if he batting second? Which is where I like him in a perfect world.
more like 50.
and that would be if he were playing 162 games.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmm, interesting
I don’t discount it, as “large frame” may not age as well :)
by throughhyperspace on Apr 15, 2008 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I wanted to ask that
I have been hearing it all game
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
Maybe it's Trenni
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
Ankiel
Another broken bat… with all the batters preferring bats to be top heavy… will any rules be put in place other than the -3 rule to bring down the number of broken bats…
Will it take someone getting seriously hurt?
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
is that the reason there are so many broken bats? I know, some people don’t like Maple bats in the game because they do the explosion thing. I always wondered whether it was the age of the tree. New growth versus old growth.
I watched a report or maybe read one
That players make the sweet spot of their bats heavier to give them more power, and this then produces more broken bats as the handle is so much lighter than the barrel
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
Here is one article
Old from 2005, many theories… Biggio near the bottom says its the weight difference… but many references to the Maple bats… I seem to think a lot of the bats these days are breaking near the hands, which would imply the weight difference… but the explosion would be the Maple I guess
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2005-05-24-cover-brokenbats_x.htm
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
by Kyguy922 on Apr 15, 2008 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Haha
When searching for an answer… I came across an article by Bill Nye the Science Guy…
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/Features/Columns/?article=BNBrokenBats
And I also found the original article I read… It was in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=733179
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
Looper and Isringhausen
Weren’t they the two big Mets prospects once, or am I misremembering? Those two and Paul Wilson?
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
i believe so.
they had a name, like the ‘young guns’ or something.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Bill Pulsipher
Paul Wilson and Jason Isringhausen.
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Ahh, right!
Looper was out of the Loop…er.
Err, thanks. Good memory!
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
7-8-9 for the Cards
It would be nice if Dave could go 1-2-3 this inning and get the heart of our order up quickly.
would have been nice
that’s right.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions
not with
the one strike hit and run and then the two strike bunt! Whew..
by throughhyperspace on Apr 15, 2008 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I haven't watched too many FSN broadcasts until now
so I’m probably late to the party, but I have to say that Trenni is a lot more bearable than either Bob Brainerd or the woman they had last season.
It will be interesting to see how Cirillo does
"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."
by MadJimiBrewha on Apr 15, 2008 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope he's not a whore.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Cesar Izturis
He’s only 28? Sheesh. It seems like he’s been around forever.
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yeah
I’ve had that reaction about his age every year for the last three or four seasons.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Ever think
you’d wish we’d have had Braun in for his defense?
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
D Lee
3 run Homer… Harang not looking too good… 5 runs in 4 2/3 innings… Cubs lead 5-3
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
Just as the Cubs take the lead
The Brewers are down
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
the joke around our house
when things like this are going on and I yell a bit at the TV, the little woman gives me the eye and I look back at her and tell her to give me the phone to the dugout – pronto!
My little woman's on the road...
So I can yell as much as I want, as long as the neighbors don’t call the cops.
Party at Snow's house
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
Damn
those meatballs are coming in bunches now..
by throughhyperspace on Apr 15, 2008 8:42 PM CDT reply actions
am i the only person
who thinks that Braun is hardly a lock to have gotten the runner at the plate?
I mean, he would’ve gotten it there faster, but Braun isn’t in left because of the overwhelming accuracy of his arm.
Also, cheese.
Yeah
And does he catch Pujols’ liner?
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Braun is no guarantee for an out
So I would rather have the catch of the liner than just a chance for the 1st runner to be thrown out and have this inning continuing now with Ankiel up
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
yep
I’m not saying the throw was good.
I’m saying Braun may well have sent it straight to the screen.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions
That made me think...
Turnbow in the outfield! Our answer to Ankiel.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Apr 15, 2008 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He was taking Flyballs with Braun and Dillon
at the game I went to…see the one fan shot.
"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."
by MadJimiBrewha on Apr 15, 2008 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions
No
no, your not.. And perhaps he missed that last one because took the wrong first step.
by throughhyperspace on Apr 15, 2008 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I was wondering that too
Mr. Rock made it sound like any sort of decent throw would have had him. The ball got to Dillon pretty quickly, though.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
I think it's probably a run either way
But atleast there is a meaningful slide involved
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
If Hall gets the ball out of his glove
They could have gotten Schumaker at second and avoided a second run.
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Good time
To make your sig nostalgic..
by throughhyperspace on Apr 15, 2008 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I would love
to have to change it tonight. Maybe I should just start updating his walks.
Good time for Prince's first homer
not nostalgic in the sense
I’m fond of no homers so far or that I will long for the day.. It’s just a good signature..
by throughhyperspace on Apr 15, 2008 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Atleast Dillon get some walks
Braun could have made the throw… but working the pitchers… which we need to do to the Cards staff… with 18 games and a beatup staff…
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
Now pitching for the Cardinals
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Ned
wants to steal this strategy for his bullpen. Everyone wears the same number and then if the pitcher blows the game it’s not Ned’s fault because he wanted the other 42
Good time for Prince's first homer
Yeah I think if his spot comes up
You have to go with a pinch hitter. #rd time through the lineup now for Bush and they really hit the ball hard last inning.
by dixieflatline on Apr 15, 2008 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions
?
leave in Looper to pitch to Prince…and then yank him?
Wow that was a quick hook
Especially with the way he has thrown to Billy today. I’d have left him in at lest one more batter.
Why would they?
Hall looks like he’s never held a bat before tonight.
"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 15, 2008 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Uh oh. Now Ned's going to get McClung up.
"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 15, 2008 8:57 PM CDT reply actions
Worse name than McClung?
McSpleen.
"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 15, 2008 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions
walk him?
or pinch hitter for bush?
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
can't walk him
because of the possible of the PH … esp. w/ Braun on the bench.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Another reason I prefer the NL
although it didn’t help us there..
by throughhyperspace on Apr 15, 2008 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Kind of a Bert and Ernie thing going on there
without the homoeroticism…
"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 15, 2008 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
"did it hurt when they plunked you?"
“yeah. you?”
“yeah.”
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
ha
"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 15, 2008 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually, Pujols was probably asking Hart who the hell that guy is who caught his line drive.
"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 15, 2008 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I’d say let him try on batter, at least
by throughhyperspace on Apr 15, 2008 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Wouldn't it suck if he got through this inning unscathed?
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It'd be great.
Like when I walk out in front of a bus, the bus swerves and tips over, and I find a quarter.
HA!
"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 15, 2008 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions
He's leaving him in against Molina
his own personal curse. If this is a hit it is a special double Yosting…
Only if
the alternative was Braun still being impatient and Yost burning out Riske this season..
As I say that: a man walked. Get the hook out!
by throughhyperspace on Apr 15, 2008 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice of Ankiel to get himself out there...
"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 15, 2008 9:03 PM CDT reply actions
Izturis brothers
Cesar was born in February 1980. Maicer was born in September 1980. I feel bad for their mom.
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wow...
that’s pretty impressive.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions
note from a cardinal fan
because this is a pressing issue:
cesar and maicer are half-brothers and share a father, not a mother. they are each brothers from another mother. sorry to disappoint.
And now it's Turnbow in the pen?
Yost must assume this is gonna get out of hand
by throughhyperspace on Apr 15, 2008 9:06 PM CDT reply actions
He's got to put him i in close game sooner or later..
"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 15, 2008 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Well it worked.
"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 15, 2008 9:06 PM CDT reply actions
No kidding...
Here, I’ll slow down and make myself as big as possible so you can tag me easier.
"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 15, 2008 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Dave Bush
Funny how three runs in six innings qualifies as a quality start, but it’s seen as a bad one for him.
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Not relatively speaking this season
by throughhyperspace on Apr 15, 2008 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Fair point.
And it’s a better start than the last two he put up.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 15, 2008 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Be tough for him to pitch next inning
Since Iribarren’s hitting for him.
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Have you checked left field? Maybe Bush is out there.
"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 15, 2008 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Jason Kendall
His average has dropped .163 since the start of last Friday’s game. Of course, he’s still hitting .375…
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I hear it's hard to maintain a .500 average.
"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 15, 2008 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know if he has any
but I suggest we call him “landing strip”
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
there's a strip club in Waupaca called the Landing Strip
"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 15, 2008 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions
or so I hear
"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 15, 2008 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions
i learned that watching kindergarten cop
"If there is a more reactionary blog with idiotic commentary out there I'd be surprised." -On Bleed Cubbie Blue
It's not a tu-mahhh
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
So why was Turnbow warming up?
Riske can’t pitch in every two run game, can he?
by throughhyperspace on Apr 15, 2008 9:18 PM CDT reply actions
what a great catch by riske
"If there is a more reactionary blog with idiotic commentary out there I'd be surprised." -On Bleed Cubbie Blue
yeah, this happens every time
eventually i will learn.
but they’re just so bad!
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Rock
“Haven’t been able to put ‘em away in any of these innings they’ve scored.”
Uh, what he said…
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So with all the lefties the cards have Shouse will be a busy man this series
Riske is pretty good against lefties too maybe Ned should have just left him in. 3 run lead now.
plus
Ned has to show off for TLR.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions
i think we know ned's philosophy on that
"If there is a more reactionary blog with idiotic commentary out there I'd be surprised." -On Bleed Cubbie Blue
ok...
"If there is a more reactionary blog with idiotic commentary out there I'd be surprised." -On Bleed Cubbie Blue
JJs value peaked last May, I'm afraid
His glove was definitely overrated.
by keephopealive on Apr 15, 2008 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions
now that we've seen alcides
there’s no going back.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
See Alcides struggle with the bat
0-3 tonight so far, hitting .159 with two walks and 44 at bats.
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maybe
if he was promoted, he’d regress to a better mean :).
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions
for some reason
i find that shouse/pujols matchup very intriguing
"If there is a more reactionary blog with idiotic commentary out there I'd be surprised." -On Bleed Cubbie Blue
also, cheese
"If there is a more reactionary blog with idiotic commentary out there I'd be surprised." -On Bleed Cubbie Blue
that a boy shousey!
"If there is a more reactionary blog with idiotic commentary out there I'd be surprised." -On Bleed Cubbie Blue
now that guy could hit!
"If there is a more reactionary blog with idiotic commentary out there I'd be surprised." -On Bleed Cubbie Blue
so,
did gross come in as a defensive replacement…pinch hitter?
"If there is a more reactionary blog with idiotic commentary out there I'd be surprised." -On Bleed Cubbie Blue
no
he started. kapler was a late scratch.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions
oh
yeah i just got back from class. what’s up with kapler?
"If there is a more reactionary blog with idiotic commentary out there I'd be surprised." -On Bleed Cubbie Blue
hurt his shoulder during bp.
doesn’t sound serious, I don’t think.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
you mean gross took him out
gotcha
"If there is a more reactionary blog with idiotic commentary out there I'd be surprised." -On Bleed Cubbie Blue
There are not many pitchers on the Cardinals
who have had the same role their entire careers.
Also, cheese.
man
just great positioning on the cardinals part
"If there is a more reactionary blog with idiotic commentary out there I'd be surprised." -On Bleed Cubbie Blue
i gotta say
i enjoy the game threads a lot more when there’s not like 20 people commenting all at once. it allows me to read the comments, post comments, and to also watch the game
"If there is a more reactionary blog with idiotic commentary out there I'd be surprised." -On Bleed Cubbie Blue
more like a shot at your jersey :)
"If there is a more reactionary blog with idiotic commentary out there I'd be surprised." -On Bleed Cubbie Blue
yeah... the guy's everywhere..
"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 15, 2008 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't be surprised
if they retire his number someday.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
Gross and Dillon
a combined 1-7 at the top of the lineup.
Though of course Dillon saved a couple of runs with that play in left.
Can’t imagine why Fielder’s been walked 3 times… nobody on base most of the time, and hall flailing away behind him.
"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 15, 2008 9:36 PM CDT reply actions
make that 4.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 15, 2008 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Fielder
Continues to clog up the bases.
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This will be something to watch this series
If they aren’t really going to pitch to Prince then Billy needs to at least not hit into so many double plays.
by dixieflatline on Apr 15, 2008 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions
As he stands there at the plate after the called strike 3 like it's the ump's fault.
"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 15, 2008 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions
You don't need to be TLR
to figure out that Prince shouldn’t get his bat on anything. My guy Hall sucks! Move Hart up.
by heybatterbatter on Apr 15, 2008 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
OT
odd to see buck showlater back at baseball tonight.
i remember when he refused the brewers job. that was a good call…
"If there is a more reactionary blog with idiotic commentary out there I'd be surprised." -On Bleed Cubbie Blue
that digital school commercial
i should go there and meet anime chicks with big boobs ;)
"If there is a more reactionary blog with idiotic commentary out there I'd be surprised." -On Bleed Cubbie Blue
my dad made that joke with me too :)
"If there is a more reactionary blog with idiotic commentary out there I'd be surprised." -On Bleed Cubbie Blue
oh lord
i hate turnbow with a passion
"If there is a more reactionary blog with idiotic commentary out there I'd be surprised." -On Bleed Cubbie Blue
i actually like him...
it’s too bad he can’t seem to get his head on straight
ahhhhhh, he's good
Well, at least it won’t be a blown save for TurnBlown
Personally, I think we got hosed on that one! - Harry Doyle
Turnbow
Takin’ a bit off of it to make sure he throws strikes. But when its straight as an arrow, it don’t matter much.
by throughhyperspace on Apr 15, 2008 9:48 PM CDT reply actions
Turnbow
Generously lets the Cardinals save Isringhausen.
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That was the plan all along!
Tony sends in somebody else, and boom, that lead gets pulverized before he knows it.
What a guy.
Seriously though, it’s like playing a man short in the pen. I know the last guy or two out there are usually people they’re reluctant to go to, but when exactly would be a good time to use T-Bow right now? I mean, besides right now? When we’re down 3 runs with only one at bat left?
"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 15, 2008 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions
May as well leave him in
doesn’t matter if it’s a 5-1 loss or a 10-1 loss, save arms for the rest of the series
Personally, I think we got hosed on that one! - Harry Doyle
Agreed
It’s time for him to sink or swim. I’m afraid, his head is so f’d right now, he needs a change of scenery..
by throughhyperspace on Apr 15, 2008 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions
i've always had a theory
that the brewers have kept turnbow because he supplies certain recreational drugs, not steroids, for the team…
"If there is a more reactionary blog with idiotic commentary out there I'd be surprised." -On Bleed Cubbie Blue
what, like his sweat is a hallucinogen?
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 15, 2008 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
that gives me horrible images of brian shouse freaking out
continuously licking turnbow and castro having to constrain him
"If there is a more reactionary blog with idiotic commentary out there I'd be surprised." -On Bleed Cubbie Blue
Finish this SAT question...
Shouse: Turnbow
Sheets: Bush
I never did well on these things…
"If there is a more reactionary blog with idiotic commentary out there I'd be surprised." -On Bleed Cubbie Blue
we need the start of the other half.
like…
Shouse : Turnbow
Mercker : ?
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
The answer we're looking for is...
Winkelsas. Joe Winkelsas.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmm
Shouse : Turnbow :: Trever Miller : Al Reyes
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So, do we get to try to win tomorrow?
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 15, 2008 9:53 PM CDT reply actions
the analysis is simple...
if one of your relievers has a two-digit ERA, he’s a definite option to be cut.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
does he have any options left?
"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 15, 2008 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, that sounds logical but...
there is that been with the team thing and of course, he does look amazing when he is on. It’s been a while since one of those though.
i can't see the club just releasing him
it’d have to be a trade, but we haven’t heard anything…
he does have an expiring deal which might make the deal more intriguing for another team
"If there is a more reactionary blog with idiotic commentary out there I'd be surprised." -On Bleed Cubbie Blue
so, now that Bush looks like Capuano redux
and can’t buy a win even when he’s pitching half-decently, how should that affect the evaluation of him?
hopefully not very much
Jeff Weaver isn’t going to give us very many starts like we got tonight.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Amen.
"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 15, 2008 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions
this seems like an evaluation night
they decided to start dillon, let bush pitch, turnbow pitches in a close game…
"If there is a more reactionary blog with idiotic commentary out there I'd be surprised." -On Bleed Cubbie Blue
Why is Turnbow on the roster?
If in the first 15 games of the year we have established that Turnbow can only be used when we are the wrong side of a blowout then why is he on the roster to start the season?
he's the hard throwing version of chris spurling
"If there is a more reactionary blog with idiotic commentary out there I'd be surprised." -On Bleed Cubbie Blue
Rock said 90
on one of his fastballs.. I don’t know if thats accurate, but he’s laboring that much to throw a strike, then it’s time he be traded for a bag of balls.
by throughhyperspace on Apr 15, 2008 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh man
no kidding, we’ve been after that bag of balls forever!
"You have no honor!" - McClung to Fukudome
by zsxander567 on Apr 15, 2008 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I think that bag of balls
was originally drafted by the Rangers when Melvin was there.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Should it be
a bayg of baylls?
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
I was thinking more...
a giant bag of balls.
[er, maybe not.]
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I was thinking more like this
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions
and unlike McClung
we probably can’t even consider Turnbow able to be a true long man and give 3+ innings in a blowout…
this may have been answered already
but who was the last brewer player to wear # 42?
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Media guide's numerical roster
Says Scott Karl from 1995-1999. I wonder what he’s up to these days.
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Wow.
that’s a name I hadn’t thought of in a while…
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 15, 2008 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
i remember
when he hit a homerun i think in colorado
"If there is a more reactionary blog with idiotic commentary out there I'd be surprised." -On Bleed Cubbie Blue
Yeah
Weirdly, he had a home run in back to back starts in 1999. Those were the only two homers of his career.
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it didn't make up
for the 6 runs he gave up
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Damn
Now thats encyclopedic knowledge.. or supreme referencing abilities
by throughhyperspace on Apr 15, 2008 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Just caught my eye
I was looking at his 1999 game log on baseball-reference to see when he hit the Colorado homer and I saw he had one his next start.
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I wonder if Wainwright
would consider throwing lefthanded tomorrow.
That would be nice.
Also, cheese.
That game wasn't fun
For some reason it just seems weird that this team is 8-5 so far.
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Without Riske, Sheets, Kandall and Kapler
Wher would this be?
by throughhyperspace on Apr 15, 2008 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha!
Or maybe a Hardy Hart Hart.. I can’t decide..
by throughhyperspace on Apr 15, 2008 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
*Kendall *Where
damn, gettin sloppy tonight
by throughhyperspace on Apr 15, 2008 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
On the bright side
At least the heart of the order won’t stay so listless all season, so there’s something to look forward to. I’d put up with a bunch of “Cameron is the Catalyst” articles if the team suddenly tears it up come May (preferably sooner).
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You're right, will some "Bush battled" hold you till then?
here it comes – quality start – good effort
Give him credit for his decent start
It’s probably the last one he’ll have until June, after all. :)
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actually, I wouldn’t be surprised if he won a spot tonight. Those last pitches were awful though. Flat and slow over the plate.
If Parra stumbles, he might spend time in AAA and Turnbow or McClung seem like they’ve got their heads in the proverbial guillotine. Turnbow really was weak tonight.
If Parra ends up in AAA in the next week or so I don't think it will have anything to do with a stumble,
even if there is one. They may be looking for an excuse to send him down anyway to limit his innings in the early part of the season. It doesn’t make much sense to keep him in the pen. I don’t think they’re ready to simply cut Turnbow, but I can’t imagine he’s got any value on the market, even if it were near a time where teams were looking to make deals. That probably leaves McClung out and Bush headed for the pen.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 16, 2008 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Making matters worse
In their recap of the game, the AP headline calls Looper “Scrappy.” A thinly veiled insult directed at Team Grit!
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
Scrappy
I think “scrappy” is just a newspaperman trick where they add an “S” to the beginning so they can print what they feel about the player.
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