Game Thread #18: Brewers (11-6) at Reds (7-11)
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 20, 2008 11:00 AM CDT
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PrintNow this, my friends, is a good matchup. Yovani Gallardo makes his season debut for the Brewers, while Aaron Harang goes for the Reds. Joe Dillon was sent to Nashville to make room for Yo, leaving the Brewers with a truly remarkable 14 pitchers.
Anthony W has the Brewers lineup, which contains no surprises. Here's the Baseball-Reference Game Preview.
The project-a-tron is baffled by the evenness of it all, as it was yesterday. The only difference today is one percentage point and lower run totals:
- Brewers 4.7
- Reds 4.3
- Brewers WinExp: 50%
Let's go Crew!
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I don’t like it. 14 pitchers?
Lordz Of Vengeance....Sometimes I drink...Okay...I drink most of the time.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Apr 20, 2008 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Me either
Hopefully when TGJ comes off the DL a pitcher goes down. We already aren’t using Turnbow in then pen. It was like this during stretches last year too.
by dixieflatline on Apr 20, 2008 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Call me cynical
But I think if Turnbow doesn’t get in the game today, the team will place him on the DL with some sort of “injury,” retroactive to the 15th. Then they’ll call up Dillon (who doesn’t have to stay down for the minimum ten days if there’s an injury) or Gwynn.
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That will happen
when you don’t bother to celebrate with your teammates after a victory. Especially when you aren’t very good anymore, complaining about playing time and expensive.
by Getting Yosted on Apr 20, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I do.
But he went public with his dissatisfaction, and I hate that garbage.
Maybe this is what he wanted (though my guess is he really just wanted the 10 million dollar option for next year). Maybe he just lost it because the guy they benched him for was Matt Stairs.
"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 20, 2008 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Ouch
Frank Thomas played in the first baseball game I ever attended—1993 at County Stadium.
He also played in the first game I ever took my son to—a game last year between the Jays and White Sox.
I’ll always have a soft spot in my heart for the Big Hurt.
Steve http://nohuddleoffense.blogspot.com
Cameron & Dillon
I wonder where they’re holed up watching the game.
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Sliders low and away
by dixieflatline on Apr 20, 2008 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
wow
is that graph based on his scuffling this season, or on his production last year?
by Oakland Brewer Fan on Apr 20, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
This year.
Here is last year’s
Not as bad but you can still see him willing to go out of the zone for that pitch.
by dixieflatline on Apr 20, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
walking Patterson
Not only is that hard to do but especially bad with how he is hitting (not hitting?) right now.
Big Blue?
I played so much chess, my wife made me quit. (wrong moves in my sleep)
Yeah, I know.
by Lake County on Apr 20, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
It is fun, though
To compare his career stats to Bill Hall’s.
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When Hatteberg is playing, the lineup optimizer says Keppinger should bat third.
He's extremely quick and good.
Rock and Brian
will give you the company line. So far, walks, he ‘hangs with him,’ quality at bats…
there’ll be more.
Ask me after Yo hits the backstop for the 50th time…
by Lake County on Apr 20, 2008 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
He could do it...
if you give him some HGH…
by ZTK Always on Vacation on Apr 20, 2008 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Haragutang is easily the most under-appreciated pitcher in MLB.
by Lake County on Apr 20, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I always think it's amusing
When every time he pitches everyone always says that. :)
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true
here he’s not underappreciated. something tells me the same sentiment is not on display in, say, the comments at the js blog.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 20, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Well
They say it all the time on the radio, too, is more what I was getting at.
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I don't
I meant the game broadcast. I’m having a bad day with this clarity in my comments thing, I guess.
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Not sure why I didn't assume you meant the game broadcasts
I think David Weathers might have melted my brain.
He's extremely quick and good.
ah.
well, radio guys are always positive.
Turnbow gets two guys out in a row, and its all, “people forget just how good of a pitcher he is…”
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 20, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm thinking this should be his year to see if he has it or not
but thats assuming no trips to the DL. If he has a whole season to bat I’m curious to see what kind of numbers he can put up and if his defense can improve
Gallardo
Nice to see he doubled. Hopefully he’s not too amped up by it to pitch well this inning.
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Paul Bako
His given first name is Gabor?
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I’ve never seen someone who has a roman numeral II in his name but not at the end. Am I missing something obvious?
Wonder what Wendelstedt’s name for him is?
the II placement
might just be a function of how b-r’s database is structured.
As in, “Bako, Gabor II” which is really supposed to mean Gabor Bako II.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 20, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
yes,
it’s really easy for the storage method to generate bugs in presentation. that’s all i meant.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 20, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I prefer to think
He was really named after the 15th century pope.
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First for Hardy
Leaves just Kendall to go, right?
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You never know
Phillips, Patterson, and Griffey could collide on a little bloop and Kendall could score before Dunn or Keppinger or Votto lumber over there.
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Alternately
His whiskers could tear a hole in the fabric of space on an up-the-chute pop up and the ball could disappear into Dimension X.
He's extremely quick and good.
People mention the slump Rickie is in
But JJ had been slumping there too. He has really had a ton of trouble on fastballs so far this year.
by dixieflatline on Apr 20, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Reds TV
was still finishing their after-commercial advertisement as Hardy hit that one. Reminds me of FSN North.
BA
would be going nuts if he worked on FSN Ohio. As soon as they read the Aflac Trivia Question both guys started guessing the answer. That is a no-no for the Rock.
Good time for Prince's second homer
Factoid
The mascot of Southern Arkansas is the Muleriders.
Incidentally, Colby College’s teams are the White Mules.
If I were Colby College, I would not schedule a game with Southern Arkansas.
Also, cheese.
probably.
lots of Colombia/Maine connections.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 20, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Could be heroin
Afghanistan being significantly closer to Maine than Colombia.
He's extremely quick and good.
Sadly, no
From this article about the history of the White Mule:
At Colby the White Mule was adopted as the school’s mascot after Echo editor Joseph Coburn Smith ‘24 suggested in a November 7, 1923, editorial that the success of the football team had made its customary “dark horse” label obsolete. “Why should we not have a mascot, and what would make a better mascot than a little white mule?” he postulated, calling it “the antithesis of ‘The Dark Horse.’”
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nope
Colby Sawyer is different from Colby College, which is in Maine.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 20, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Sheesh
From Wikipedia:
The university’s athletic nicknames are Muleriders and Lady Muleriders. The Muleriders take their name from the legend that the football team in the early 1900s had to ride mules from the college’s agricultural department to catch the nearest train 6 miles north of the college in order to reach out-of-town football games. The teams are the only sports team in the US with the nickname and are often listed in top 10 lists of the most unusual or unique mascot names.
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also on the top 10 lists...
the Amherst Lord Jeffs.
really.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 20, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
The Lady Muleriders, eh?
An extra space would really make that nickname.
He's extremely quick and good.
that would just be redundant.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 20, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
So if a female mule rode a Southern Arkansas softball player
She would be a lady mule Lady Mulerider rider.
He's extremely quick and good.
Brevard County has three runs in three innings off a rehabbing Matt Garza
Unfortunately, Rafael Lluberes is no Matt Garza.
He's extremely quick and good.
Not getting the breaker
Yo sure feels good about that high curve.
Not getting it though – gotta pick the spots.
Imagine
If Dillon hadn’t been sent down and started today…
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Great relay
awesome cutoff by Braun from keeping it out of the gap
Good time for Prince's second homer
No more no-hitter
But still no runs is nice.
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He's 22 and coming off knee surgery
Other that that, what’s to worry about?
He's extremely quick and good.
Reds announcers
were talking just before that pitch about how Dunn was probably winded from running on all of the 3-2 pitches. The 3rd base coach must have been watching the raindrops instead of paying attention
Good time for Prince's second homer
dude looked bad
I remember spring training when there was one of those fluff pieces that had him talking about being in shape. Wrong shape I guess.
Having lived there, I am confused
Works for football, not for baseball.
He's extremely quick and good.
Even in October
That stadium will be 10x better than being in the Metrodome. My neck still hurts from going to the game on Friday…but I had a great view of the 10 yard line…
by ZTK Always on Vacation on Apr 20, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
TC residents...
...fantasize about the slow painful death of Carl Pohlad as they pay another tax…
by ZTK Always on Vacation on Apr 20, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Arc
storm of the century just rolled in here so I am shutting down the ‘puter and building an arc. Talk to you guys later.
Good time for Prince's second homer
Braun
His first outfield assist, I believe.
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Encarnacion playing for that gold glove
I suppose he’ll start bootin em as soon as this series is over.
Awesome
In Huntsville’s game today, Escobar hit a double in the first inning and Mike Bell, a solid sleeper, knocked a grand slam.
He's extremely quick and good.
Tie game
Encarnacion asks the Brewers announcers to kindly refrain from discussing Fuk U Do Me’s eye cyst.
He's extremely quick and good.
Prophetic
Thom Brenneman needs to shut his yap…
Yesterday: “Just need a bloop and a bomb.”—> the single past JJ, then a HR.
Today: “If Gallardo can escape unscathed, it’s an official game.”—> Encarnacion HR
I think that's a pretty fair assumption
He’s definitely struggling with his location.
He's extremely quick and good.
hes at 88 pitches, so i dont see why you couldn't at least give it a try
"They're trying to make me the escape goat"-Michael Scott
certainly you try
I’m more concerned with him finishing it than starting it. no more 30 pitch innings, pls.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 20, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Too bad Yo's not leading off the inning...
we could use some pop in the lineup.
by ZTK Always on Vacation on Apr 20, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Dunno
I’m not sure if we have enough pitchers in the pen to cover four innings.
He's extremely quick and good.
Kendall
Now on pace for 63 doubles this year.
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estrada had 8 in april last year
and three walks!
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 20, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Rickie's average
could just as easily be .240. Not sparkling, but he is hitting ok.
by Braunstalker on Apr 20, 2008 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
This team needs more Abraham Nunez.
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Someone should tell Ryan Braun there's a reason they call the pitch a "slider"
He's extremely quick and good.
ugh
btw, kendall now has more than 1/3rd of his doubles from last year
I'll warm up with you anytime
More encouragement from the farm
Struggling Caleb Gindl just hit his first homer of the year.
He's extremely quick and good.
I wonder if Ned lifts him or not
Certainly if his spot comes up in the order but if we don’t get that far Ned might let him at least start the 7th. Bottom 3 due up for the Reds.
by dixieflatline on Apr 20, 2008 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
with 3 bench players, including rivera
might be better just to let him hit. better SLG than Counsell, anyway.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 20, 2008 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
dude goes long
wouldn’t surprise me to see a couple more innings out of him. Didn’t he go ten against us last year?
he's at 97 pitches
hopefully we have a good inning and he gets pulled
"They're trying to make me the escape goat"-Michael Scott
Man do the Cubs ever have to play a road game?
They are already have played 6 more home games counting today and still have two more before they hit the road.
what better place
to play than Chicago in early April
Yeah they are done with the Giants after today
by dixieflatline on Apr 20, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
No wonder they're leading the division
Of course, watch them be 2-4 agains the Giants or something. Now I have to look it up.
He's extremely quick and good.
So Gallardo is due up 3rd
He has to be done but maybe I’d let him hit here anyway. As Jeff pointed out options are limited.
Dunn is like a cat out there
just not so much on the base paths…
hey over at Redreporter, they think the home plate call was wrong.
He did kinda look safe on the one replay
Honestly I thought it was a pretty crappy throw by JJ or else Dunn would have been out by a mile.
He's extremely quick and good.
Yeah. Garfield.
"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 20, 2008 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
he had to protect the plate with those strike calls boarderline
"They're trying to make me the escape goat"-Michael Scott
Harang over 110 pitches now
We have the heart of the order coming up in the 9th so no matter what Dusty does we will have a good opportunity. He went with CoCo in a tie game in the 9th last game and he had to throw a lot of pitches so I wouldn’t even mind that.
They should play circus music when Stetter comes out.
*fixed
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by Dikembe Meiztombo on Apr 20, 2008 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
So do you stay with Stetter?
He looked good last inning. Dunn is leading off and Votto is batting 3rd.
Help a guy living by Gameday...
Who’s coming in to pitch…
by ZTK Always on Vacation on Apr 20, 2008 2:41 PM CDT reply actions
especially
with Hall coming up. How has he done against the Reds?
Good time for Prince's second homer
Hey Jay
I think Turnbow just got that “injury” you forsaw around noon today!
The Wallbangers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!
someone should look up the record for most extra inning games
this number of games into a season…5 already seems like a lot
"They're trying to make me the escape goat"-Michael Scott
If I had to make an unscientific guess
It’s a combo of our relatively weak bats thus far and our solid pitching/defense. Seems like a lot because we’ve been expecting way more runs?
On a related note
This is the second day in a row MLB.tv/Mosaic has taken a dump in the 10th inning. PREMIUM VALUE.
Wow
Time machine hardcore. You are hereby ordered to shut up until other people post.
He's extremely quick and good.
incoming pitch has been hit in play...
Last week I went to Philadelphia, but it was closed.
by Citizen Braun on Apr 20, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh sure, now you show up
We have a seat reserved for you on the bandwagon.
He's extremely quick and good.
haha
that’s me, Milwaukee bandwagoneer for years.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 20, 2008 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Imaginary Marty B Tirade
“Those damn Brewers fans! They’re so nice… why do we have such bad luck against them”
I have no idea why.
Just one of those stupid illogical baseball things that everyone over-romanticizes the game for.
He's extremely quick and good.
the Red’s fans seem to really hate the guy.
by Braunstalker on Apr 20, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
He was recently in Oshkosh, which is about the same thing.
Or weren’t you talking about Depp anymore?
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 20, 2008 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
seems like
the cubs have been playing the pirates for about three weeks
I have ZERO respect for that outfit
I used to like the Pirates…then they gave their best players to the Cubs for nothing, and now they’re going to be 0-10 in the last 10 against them.
Ptah!
gagne
if he save this one he will lead the national league in saves
Well,
at least Edwin won’t get murdered by a crazy now.
Gagne doesn't want to win
on a wild pitch, that was part of his plan.
Ned Yost's Brewers: Braun Over Brains
We're going to at least get a draft pick for this $10M and his 35+ saves
He's extremely quick and good.
I hope
we’re at least paying him in American pesos. If he’s getting $CAD to do this, it’s theft.
Last week I went to Philadelphia, but it was closed.
by Citizen Braun on Apr 20, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
No fucking comment.
Lordz Of Vengeance....Sometimes I drink...Okay...I drink most of the time.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Apr 20, 2008 3:11 PM CDT reply actions
Bako was due
More than a year since his last homer.
Ichiro, on facing Daisuke Matsuzaka for the first time: "I hope he arouses the fire that's dormant in the innermost recesses of my soul."
DBow
seriously, you gotta find out what the guy’s got. It’s not like he’s gotten a chance this year.
Already a runner on
We can’t afford three walks before the outs come
Last week I went to Philadelphia, but it was closed.
by Citizen Braun on Apr 20, 2008 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water
Man I was actually starting to have some faith in Gagne
Hopefully they can keep up the streak of winning games when GAGne blows a save
Its all about the Bullpen this season that is the key.
Meh
Im not necessarily sure that this was Gagne’s fault. Sure, he got taken deep twice, but they were two pretty decent pitches. Encarnacion had to reach on his, and Bako had to golf his. Bad luck, mostly. Not like his first 2 blown saves.
DIE GAGNE DIE
Sorry but that is all I can say at the moment I am blinded by my Gagne Hating Rage.
Its all about the Bullpen this season that is the key.
Welp
I think I’ll be dropping Gagne today.
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by Dikembe Meiztombo on Apr 20, 2008 3:13 PM CDT reply actions
No he won't
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by Dikembe Meiztombo on Apr 20, 2008 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Why didn’t the Brewer’s just bring up a young gun to close and save $9.5 million, and maybe luck out with a Pabelbon?
by ZTK Always on Vacation on Apr 20, 2008 3:15 PM CDT reply actions
Wouldn’t it be about the same as this bs?
by ZTK Always on Vacation on Apr 20, 2008 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
you can't risk a season on a guy who has no experience and has no chance to handle the pressure
"They're trying to make me the escape goat"-Michael Scott
Why not?
Sox did it with Papelbon, Yanks did it with Chamberlain (for vice-closer at least). There’s no one in the Brewers system worth taking a chance on? Heck the Angels brought in K-Rod for the freakin’ playoffs? You’re telling me there’s no on in the Brewers system with some cojones? Or is it the Brewers management without those?
by ZTK Always on Vacation on Apr 20, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Paps and Joba
Those were two of the biggest prospects in baseball. Maybe you’d suggest we turn Gallardo into a closer?
Ichiro, on facing Daisuke Matsuzaka for the first time: "I hope he arouses the fire that's dormant in the innermost recesses of my soul."
All I’m saying is that it’s insane to pay that much for a closer when some young gun could get the job done for a lot cheaper. Better than taking a chancing on Roid Ragin Acadian…
by ZTK Always on Vacation on Apr 20, 2008 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't get over
the 4 consecutive appearances thing. Doesn’t Nedley have a clue? It’s not like Gagne’s young even. THere’s a lot left of the season and the other guys have been throwing great.
Can't pitch Gagne in rain
Just like in Chicago. He’s like the B-2 bomber of baseball.
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by TheJay on Apr 20, 2008 3:19 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
or baseball's
wicked witch of the west.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 20, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Ueker's
talking about the consecutive appearances too. He said “no doubt they talked with Gagne B4 the game and asked him what he’s got”. But what if Nedley really just doesn’t have a clue?
That sucks
At least the team won the series.
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Taking 2 out of 3 series on the road is a very good thing
especially for this team. Nice job. Now lets take care of business at home.
Can't pitch Gagne in rain. He’s like the B-2 bomber of baseball.--TheJay
True. I'd have taken a few more 5-4 roadies last year.
But I blame Jeff for mentioning the extra-innings tendency towards .500 in the plastic cup. :)
"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 20, 2008 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
well, Ben Sheets has a tendency to go on the DL
let’s see if I jinx that one.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 20, 2008 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm on board with the looking on the bright side and everything, but
this is the worse loss of this young season.
These are the ones they’ll point to if the crew loses the division by 2 games again.
Ugh.
Over 162 games, you're going to lose some like this.
If you agonize over them and think this is the one I’m going to remember if we lose the division by one game, it’s going to be a long year. It’s not like it won’t happen to the Cards and Cubs too.
"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 20, 2008 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, good idea. Now say it while holding a chicken foot.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 20, 2008 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Gah
We haven’t swept a road series in a while now, it would have been nice today. I just hope Stetter managed to help the rest of the pen get some rest (‘cept Torres and Gagne of couse).
I imagine Riske will close tomorrow, if there’s an opportunity.
My take
The Reds had seen Gagne twice already in the series. He had pitched in three consecutive games already. Is putting him in the game today giving the team and its players the best chance to succeed? I don’t think so. Obviously, everything is fine if he gets the job done. He didn’t. But still, I really don’t like the decision to put him out there.
by the way
I’m not exactly thrilled with Gagne’s performance so far, but looking at this
makes me feel better, because I realize that blown saves happen sometimes. I’m still not ready to cut Gagne or anything like some people are.
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