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When do I start worrying?

Usually, I have a rule of thumb to not start worrying about stats until May 1. I'm having a bit of a hard time doing that this year, however, with six of our regular starters batting .231 or worse.

Mendoza--I mean Weeks--can't get on base. Braun looks like he's having the dreaded sophomore slump. Hall's had some big hits but has been dreadful at times.

Now our ace is looking fragile (again), our #4-5 starters couldn't reach the 7th inning if their lives depended on it, and our $10 million closer has given up home runs to blow three ugly, ugly save attempts.

I recognize this is both irrational and emotional, so I apologize for that.

You all know far more about this great sport than I do. Who are you concerned about? And who will be fine?

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by Dikembe Meiztombo on Apr 20, 2008 4:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Hmm

Getting worried now is like worrying when the team doesn’t score in the first inning. That’s where we are in the season: it’s 1/9th done.

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by TheJay on Apr 20, 2008 5:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Only person Im worried about is weeks

If he was drafted in the 20th round instead of #2 overall, he’d never be on this team. He swings way too hard for a leadoff hitter and he seems to refuse to lay down a bunt. I hate to think like ned, but it’s time to play the hot hand and have counsell play instead of weeks.

by brewfan2 on Apr 20, 2008 5:42 PM CDT reply actions  

I've been worried about Weeks for a year.

I keep waiting for the light to go and and for him to develop into the 270+ hitter he should be, but it doesn’t appear to be happening. At least he’s developed defensively to the point where he’s a positive on that score (at least so far this year). Too bad we can’t put Hart in both the leadoff and the #5 spot. :)

"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 20, 2008 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

Rickie is the only guy whom I actually dread coming to bat, particularly in clutch situations.

I think this feeling is buttressed by the fact that he’s never really produced consistently, whereas all the other core players have.

by 400metres on Apr 20, 2008 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nothing to worry about

The fact that the heart of the lineup isn’t hitting well is actually a good thing. We’re 11-7 without our real offense producing, and they’re obviously going to start picking it up (none of them are low 200 hitters), meaning we’ll really start winning as the season progresses.

If we were 2-16 it would be cause for concern, but the team is playing quite well so far as a whole. Gagne has cost us one game and secured us six, he’s not a problem yet either.

Ned Yost's Brewers: Braun Over Brains

by SRB on Apr 20, 2008 6:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Gagne

He’s on pace to convert 54 of 81 save opportunities.

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by TheJay on Apr 20, 2008 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I feel

today was our first ‘Yosting,’ at the same time, I don’t blame Ned too much for thinking Gange could go 4 days in a row.

by Braunstalker on Apr 20, 2008 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gagne

That’s on Ned. a reliever going for the 4th straight day. Could someone please show me a pitcher who can pitch 4 straight effectively? They should’ve gone to Riske or even Mota.

As for the hitters, I’m not worried about Braun, Fielder, or even Hardy for that matter. Weeks has never hit for a high average, and now he’s just in a funk. It’s time to switch him to either 7th or 9th, and put Hart, who blossomed in the leadoff spot last year, in it. As for CF production, we’ll get a .250 average with a homer a week and a SB a week from cameron when he gets back in a week and a half. Billy is fine where he is, and will hit .275.

Don’t panic

by Hyatt on Apr 20, 2008 7:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Not to defend Ned or anything,

because in general I prefer not to. But didn’t Cordero appear in 5-6 straight games last year?

"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 20, 2008 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

He had one stretch of six straight games and another of four straight.

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by TheJay on Apr 20, 2008 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Furthermore, did any of you

Think Gagne was potentially too gassed to come out today? I sure didn’t. What did he throw yesterday, 10 pitches?

I understand that Ned’s paid to pay attention to his relievers’ schedules and everything, but even after the first homer, it never occurred to me to pull Gagne, though it sure the hell will the next time he gives up a solo shot with a two-run lead.

Gagne kind of reminds me of Sheets in how he seems to be such a victim of the long-ball. Remember the days when the Brewers had almost no offense (i.e, 2003 and ‘04) and Sheets would lose a beautifully pitched game because he would make one mistake and give up a homer in the 8th?

In any event, I really believe Gagne is going to be pretty reliable over the balance of the season.

by 400metres on Apr 20, 2008 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gagne

I don’t think it’s just the 4 straight days but the fact that the Reds saw him twice already. He’s not Cordero, after two appearances the deception goes away.

by Jordan M on Apr 20, 2008 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

We've seen Harang twice

and that didn’t seem to make a difference. I think the reds just hit some good pitches a long long way. The first homer was a changeup on the outside corner, while the one to bako was not even a strike. All the credit goes to the hitters.

by brewfan2 on Apr 20, 2008 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

isn't quite the same

in general, starters are starters because they have the stuff to fool batters the second and third time through the order. Harang is the epitome of that … he throws more innings than just about anybody.

relievers are often relievers because they didn’t make it as starters—they have good enough stuff to fool hitters the first time, but after that, hitters can catch up to it, or whatever.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 21, 2008 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

eeek. I watched Gange as a starter. The smoke and mirrors approach was a disaster in that role. When he switched to relief he added 5 or 6 mph to his fastball if i remember correctly.

by Braunstalker on Apr 21, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

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