Game Thread #19: Cardinals (12-7) at Brewers (11-7)
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 21, 2008 4:04 PM CDT
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I haven't read any official announcements as to who is in or out of the starting rotation, but for tonight anyway, it appears that Villanueva's spot is safe. Maybe that means Ned is trying to keep his main guys on a regular schedule; maybe it means Bush is out of the rotation. Whatever it means, we have Carlos to look forward to tonight, and he's taking on Adam Wainwright.
Tom H has the lineups, and there are no surprises. With a righty on the mound, Gross is in there again. I know some of you are apoplectic about all the playing time Gross has gotten, but he does have a .763 career OPS against righties, while Kapler's OPS vRH is .724. It's not a slam-dunk decision either way, but there's no reason to think that just because Gross is off to a rough start (in all of 44 PAs) means that his career is over and the Brewers are handicapped every time he's in the lineup.
While you're waiting for the game to start, give KLSnow some feedback as to who the AL award winners are up to this point. So far we've got a grand total of three votes, including his and mine.
Finally, the project-a-tron likes our chances back at Miller Park:
- Brewers 5.1
- Cardinals 4.65
- Brewers WinExp: 58%
It didn't look that way in the last series, but I still maintain that the bottom of the Cardinals lineup (Molina/Kennedy/pitcher/Izturis) could be brutal. Let's hope Villanueva got that memo.
Go Brewers!
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a request to further my laziness
Can the starting time be included in the game thread headlines, please? :)
by Zeyes on Apr 21, 2008 4:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i'll take it under consideration :)
for the slightly less lazy, click on the ‘schedule’ link under the top banner, and there’s a list of all 2008 games + start times.
tonight it’s 7:05 CT.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 21, 2008 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nevermind
Just noticed that nifty automated (?) game preview in the right-hand sidebar which has the start time. I really need to spend more time checking out all the widgets on the new site version.
by Zeyes on Apr 21, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
me too :)
there are more that I haven’t activated or included yet.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 21, 2008 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Die GAGne Die
sorry still not quite over yesterdays game hopefully by first pitch I will be able to control my Die GAGne Die tick
7 more games and we will be asking Gabe Gross Who? Wasn’t he Ned Yost Cabana Boy last season ;)
Its all about the Bullpen this season that is the key.
by WSB Chris on Apr 21, 2008 4:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
But what would we do with only 13 pitchers?
by SunglassesAtNight on Apr 21, 2008 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
I’m still not too pissed about the Gagne signing. I know the blown saves are killers, but I still have a little bit of faith. The one that really kills me is the home run to corey patterson. Coery patterson is a fastball hitter and nothing else. As for the season opener, I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt since there was bad weather and Kerry Wood also gave up 3 that inning. Last nights, I think that falls under the Yosting category. I’m proceding with caution at this point, but I’m not at the death wishes stage yet
by SunglassesAtNight on Apr 21, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Breaking up is hard to do
If Bushie is out of the rotation, Ned can console himself with two more weeks of Gross. After that, he’ll be very cranky.
What are the odds of Gallardo and Gross being swapped in the batting order his next start? Gross in 2007, 7 HRs in 183 AB; YoGa had 2 HRs in 40 AB and a higher Slugging % by 40 points. Everyone keep that in mind the next time we hear that Gross is on the bench to provide ‘pop’. It isn’t HRs they are talking about, Gross is the designated guy to run back to the dressing room and grab a soda for Prince.
by Getting Yosted on Apr 21, 2008 5:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Slow start
Do you mean to say that Gross is off to a rough start in 2008, or for his whole career? It’s tough to remember a time when he played well.
by Marty McSuperFly on Apr 21, 2008 5:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He also got off to a quick start last year, along with TBGH and Jenks, if memory serves.
Then he returned to general suckiness, er, grittiness.
"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 21, 2008 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't you remember
The pinch-hit home run he had in his first at-bat as a Brewer? That sort of thing gets/got people excited about Mike Rivera, too.
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by TheJay on Apr 21, 2008 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm really getting sick of Gabe Gross
Does anybody know when we’ll get Tony Gwynn or Gabe Kapler back? I keep hearing soon, but I’m losing my patience
by SunglassesAtNight on Apr 21, 2008 5:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just keep telling yourself he's do for a regression to the mean. He's just not this bad.
"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 21, 2008 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant due, dammit.
"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 21, 2008 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Win Expectancy
58%+ seems a little high to me. :)
I run my simulator 3000 times for every NL West game and compare results to LV Hilton Sports Book (they are 1.6% ahead at the moment). I ran your game and looked at the Vegas odds to compare to your 58% number. Here is what I got.
Win Expectancy:
LV Hilton SB: Brewers 50.98%
My Simulator: Cardinals ~52%
Good luck,
vr, Xeifrank
by Xeifrank on Apr 21, 2008 6:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know what stats you're using
But based on ZiPS projections, it’s pretty clear how it comes out that way. ZiPS has Villanueva as not much worse than Wainwright and the Milwaukee bullpen a smidge better than the Cards.
The offense is the big diff … with tonight’s lineups, I have the following (against average right-handed competition):
Brewers 5.09
Cards 4.47
I’m guessing the difference boils down to estimates of Villanueva.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 21, 2008 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that I look, though...
it’s more than just Villy. In order to get a 50/50 game, keeping all other assumptions the same, I need Villy’s RA to go up to about 6.50.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 21, 2008 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stat fight Stat fight
Everyone man your slide rules remember the rules no pulling of ties no knocking glasses off and above all no touching of pocket protectors ;)
I kid because well I am not in the same room with Jeff so he cannot hit me
Its all about the Bullpen this season that is the key.
by WSB Chris on Apr 21, 2008 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My mistake
I had the Cardinals as the home team and stats adjusted to their home park. I am re-running the sim and won’t get a whole lot of samples in before I take off. As it stands now after 500 games the Brewers are winning around 55% of them. :)
vr, Xeifrank
by Xeifrank on Apr 21, 2008 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Villy
Depending on how much stock you put in the 2008 PITCHf/x data it appears Carlos has lost a little off his fastball from last year. That is causing a much smaller gap between his fastball and his change (down to an alarming small 6 MPH). It will be interesting to see if he can get the fastball in the low 90’s this start.
by dixieflatline on Apr 21, 2008 7:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He is rockin a pretty kick-a mustache tonight
by brewfan2 on Apr 21, 2008 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
looks like he belongs in a Bogart film
by ol Pete on Apr 21, 2008 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope
the mustache offsets the slower fastball.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 21, 2008 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alright!
mlb.tv is giving me the Brewers feed … so no Mad Hungarian for me.
I’ll try not to be whining about Rock by the 5th inning.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 21, 2008 7:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
BA just mentioned the 89 walks for the cards
For a team without much power that is a huge total so far. Card fans have to be loving that as they really need the offense.
by dixieflatline on Apr 21, 2008 7:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Whew
They were also just talking about Hamels coming in Wednesday. That should be an interesting matchup with our lefty mashing group.
by dixieflatline on Apr 21, 2008 7:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bush against Hamels
that may be a mismatch
Good time for Prince's second homer
by molitorfan on Apr 21, 2008 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh brother,
you just really bummed me out – we would’ve had Sheets v Hamels to look forward to?!
by 400metres on Apr 21, 2008 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn
25 pitches in the first. Carlos better start getting that pitch count down so that he can last deeper into his starts
by Oakland Brewer Fan on Apr 21, 2008 7:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thats what 14 pitchers are for ;)
Can't pitch Gagne in rain. He’s like the B-2 bomber of baseball.--TheJay
by verno329 on Apr 21, 2008 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't worry
Ned’ll put Gagne in again tonight. You know, to help him forget what happened last night…
by Oakland Brewer Fan on Apr 21, 2008 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was close
I’d prefer if it kept it a little less interesting
Can't pitch Gagne in rain. He’s like the B-2 bomber of baseball.--TheJay
by verno329 on Apr 21, 2008 7:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Im predicting a huge night for Rickie
Huge for him at least…1 for 4
by brewfan2 on Apr 21, 2008 7:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cubs up 2-0
At least they are starting to play some better teams but man I just can’t wait until they hit the road.
by dixieflatline on Apr 21, 2008 7:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That comes in September
They already filed a formal protest because of the schedule.
by brewfan2 on Apr 21, 2008 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
today one topic of discussion on Chicago radio was whether the better play was due to the lack of crazy Al.
by ol Pete on Apr 21, 2008 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lineup
It’s sad when your lineup is hitting a combined .228 (.302 OBP) coming into the game.
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by TheJay on Apr 21, 2008 7:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that isolated patience
isn’t bad…
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 21, 2008 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
11-7
makes me feel better about that avg.
by brewfan2 on Apr 21, 2008 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea,
it seems like the only time I can remember this team putting it all together was early and mid-last season and boy were they scary good.
Frankly, I would take the more consistent approach of late – relying on pitching on timely hitting over the 10-8 losses that prevailed a couple of years ago.
by 400metres on Apr 21, 2008 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If anyone's curious
The BABIP of the lineup out there so far is .259
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by TheJay on Apr 21, 2008 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's typical?
"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."
by MadJimiBrewha on Apr 21, 2008 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
.300ish
league average so far this year is a bit lower.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 21, 2008 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The NL average this year is .287 – it’s usually around .300
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by TheJay on Apr 21, 2008 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
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by TheJay on Apr 21, 2008 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder
What kind of money Sheets will get on the market if he has a good year but only makes 25 starts this year?
by dixieflatline on Apr 21, 2008 7:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
if he decided to go that route
imagine what kind of deal Ben could get if he made it known he wanted an incentive laden deal. What would the Yanks or Sox guarantee for, say, 30 starts?
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 21, 2008 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're making me think of
the Weaver deal we’ve just handed out…
by Zeyes on Apr 21, 2008 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just with an extra zero.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 21, 2008 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good question
I’m very curious as to how much he can get. And if someone like Boston or NY will give big money to a guy with his injury history
Can't pitch Gagne in rain. He’s like the B-2 bomber of baseball.--TheJay
by verno329 on Apr 21, 2008 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would love to see a little hometown discount...
if such a thing exists in this day and age.
I don’t think it will happen either, just saying.
"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."
by MadJimiBrewha on Apr 21, 2008 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I agree
I was just muttering to myself that the first curve looked good to me.
by dixieflatline on Apr 21, 2008 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why exactly does Villy switch hit again?
Can't pitch Gagne in rain. He’s like the B-2 bomber of baseball.--TheJay
by verno329 on Apr 21, 2008 7:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
BCB's Opinion
Brewers Alternate Home Jersey: Who’s name should I go with?
Ned Yost's Brewers: Braun Over Brains
by SRB on Apr 21, 2008 7:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
any already used?
Can't pitch Gagne in rain. He’s like the B-2 bomber of baseball.--TheJay
by verno329 on Apr 21, 2008 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
on previous jersey's, that is
Can't pitch Gagne in rain. He’s like the B-2 bomber of baseball.--TheJay
by verno329 on Apr 21, 2008 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
None on the current roster
Ned Yost's Brewers: Braun Over Brains
by SRB on Apr 21, 2008 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm partial towards Hart
or possibly YoGa
Can't pitch Gagne in rain. He’s like the B-2 bomber of baseball.--TheJay
by verno329 on Apr 21, 2008 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can’t go wrong with Hart, either.
by throughhyperspace on Apr 21, 2008 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Molitor
Good time for Prince's second homer
by molitorfan on Apr 21, 2008 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't beat Molitor
I already have one of him though. It’s down to Gallardo/Hart, so tough to decide though!
Ned Yost's Brewers: Braun Over Brains
by SRB on Apr 21, 2008 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brock
Lordz Of Vengeance....Sometimes I drink...Okay...I drink most of the time.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Apr 21, 2008 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yo FSN,
can I see the infield plays? You know, the game.
by ol Pete on Apr 21, 2008 7:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
mmmmmm
Stadium Sauce….
Lordz Of Vengeance....Sometimes I drink...Okay...I drink most of the time.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Apr 21, 2008 7:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
he’s really been looking good in RF. Not on that one.
by ol Pete on Apr 21, 2008 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
is that Bush out there,
in a cheap mustache?
by 400metres on Apr 21, 2008 7:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i think it's turnbow
"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."
by MadJimiBrewha on Apr 21, 2008 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is Inigo Montoya
Lordz Of Vengeance....Sometimes I drink...Okay...I drink most of the time.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Apr 21, 2008 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Albert
7th inning. Villy’s final pitch of the night.
Lordz Of Vengeance....Sometimes I drink...Okay...I drink most of the time.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Apr 21, 2008 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well the walk to Pujols wasn't horrible
by dixieflatline on Apr 21, 2008 7:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
especially when the full count pitch isn’t close
by ol Pete on Apr 21, 2008 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just about to compliment Villa's
Vargas-like grittiness until Hart looked worse than Duncan did not too long ago..
by throughhyperspace on Apr 21, 2008 7:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not watching,
was Hart that bad on that play?
by 400metres on Apr 21, 2008 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was almost a HR and from what they’ve shown, he didn’t look very good. Not that it was an easy play though.
by ol Pete on Apr 21, 2008 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ol' homer Jim Powell
didn’t make it sound like anything but a blast that hit the top of the fence.
by 400metres on Apr 21, 2008 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve got FSN and they SUCK so I’m not sure
by ol Pete on Apr 21, 2008 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not easy,
but he facing the ball, looked like he mistimed his jump
It did look like a homer off the bat, but FSN’s camera work was really bad.
by throughhyperspace on Apr 21, 2008 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FSN Wisconsin
are they seriously retarded? Why can’t they follow the d*$# ball?
Good time for Prince's second homer
by molitorfan on Apr 21, 2008 7:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
who says this guy has no Extra Base power?
Can't pitch Gagne in rain. He’s like the B-2 bomber of baseball.--TheJay
by verno329 on Apr 21, 2008 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that's more of a placement double than a power double
Not all doubles are created equal – wallbanger different than down the liner..
by Lake County on Apr 21, 2008 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok Rickie
by dixieflatline on Apr 21, 2008 7:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Rickie!
Good time for Prince's second homer
by molitorfan on Apr 21, 2008 7:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So I am watching the cubs game on TV and the brewer game on the computer
Is there any team that whines more than the Cubs? Every time I look up they are complaining to the umps.
by dixieflatline on Apr 21, 2008 7:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
day before yesterday maybe, they had one of the umps on a radio show and they were talking to him like ol buddys. They kept talking about a restaurant, The Chop House, where the umps are “treated like royalty.”
by ol Pete on Apr 21, 2008 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh
If they have the umps that were in Cincinnati, they might have a point.
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by TheJay on Apr 21, 2008 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, Angel Hernandez at home plate
I faintly recall him not being too popular around one of last year’s game threads (or maybe I’m hallucinating that).
by Zeyes on Apr 21, 2008 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rickie's stache not looking too strong
"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."
by MadJimiBrewha on Apr 21, 2008 7:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
terrible
Good time for Prince's second homer
by molitorfan on Apr 21, 2008 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't be as bad
as Game day
The Wallbangers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!
by 80badger on Apr 21, 2008 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
as fearless leader, the Jeffster, would say, that’s a low threshhold
by ol Pete on Apr 21, 2008 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed but Damn
You are the damn MLB, you got money, don’t tell me it can’t be done right!
The Wallbangers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!
by 80badger on Apr 21, 2008 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"You are the damn MLB, you got money"
All MLB-affiliated folks lose you at that point…
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by TheJay on Apr 21, 2008 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Braun
nice at bat
Good time for Prince's second homer
by molitorfan on Apr 21, 2008 8:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and he almost hit a dinger time before. I hope he made Duncan swallow that tabacco
by ol Pete on Apr 21, 2008 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TV Production
What the hell is going on here? Is it intern day?
by Lake County on Apr 21, 2008 8:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No
If it was intern day, there’s a chance they’d know what they were doing.
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by TheJay on Apr 21, 2008 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There isn't a production strike or something is there
"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."
by MadJimiBrewha on Apr 21, 2008 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
F'in FSN
Show the play at 2nd…I don’t want to see Weeks running toward the dugout
"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."
by MadJimiBrewha on Apr 21, 2008 8:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Make'em pay Corey!
The Wallbangers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!
by 80badger on Apr 21, 2008 8:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Poor Prince
Looking at him straining to reach second made me feel bad for the guy.
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by TheJay on Apr 21, 2008 8:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
good inning
lets see if Villy can settle down and work a quick inning
Can't pitch Gagne in rain. He’s like the B-2 bomber of baseball.--TheJay
by verno329 on Apr 21, 2008 8:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
you wish is granted.
by dixieflatline on Apr 21, 2008 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thankfully, yes
"They're trying to make me the escape goat"-Michael Scott
by dux2bux on Apr 21, 2008 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Creepy
Menards commercial on FSN and WTMJ at the same time…
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by TheJay on Apr 21, 2008 8:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wow, I leave the room for two minutes
to grab something to eat and the inning is over already. Good job Villy.
by Zeyes on Apr 21, 2008 8:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
April
Must be look like Mike Maddux month in the team’s clubhouse.
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by TheJay on Apr 21, 2008 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His is especially hilarious
Ignore under the lip and he looks like John Dillinger.
by throughhyperspace on Apr 21, 2008 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if
A runner tries to steal and he shoots him down?
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by TheJay on Apr 21, 2008 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hardy Hart Hart
I would be thrilled :)
by throughhyperspace on Apr 21, 2008 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tell him to be careful coming out of theaters...
"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 21, 2008 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Batting with RISP
I like how FSN continues to show that graphic as the Brewers lead over the rest of the NL dwindles.
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by TheJay on Apr 21, 2008 8:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hey
as long as they’re not showing the graphic because we’re on the bottom of the list…
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 21, 2008 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know
It’s just funny how it was .400+, then .350+, then .300+, and now .296 or something around there.
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by TheJay on Apr 21, 2008 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
like Kendall's batting average
it keeps shrinking down to “pretty darn good”
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 21, 2008 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"good effort by Gabe"
I can make a good effort. Week and a day till Cameron I think.
by ol Pete on Apr 21, 2008 8:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
On the bright side
He kept it in front of him.
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by TheJay on Apr 21, 2008 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just to follow that up
Only pitches so he could go an inning or two more. Not that we should need that with 4 pitchers.
by dixieflatline on Apr 21, 2008 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good to see, and very much needed out of the back of rotation guys.
"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 21, 2008 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hope Yost doesn't listen to the FSN broadcast
Scott Skiles and his gritty gutty style would make his way on to the roster with a quickness
Can't pitch Gagne in rain. He’s like the B-2 bomber of baseball.--TheJay
by verno329 on Apr 21, 2008 8:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Milwaukee might want to put some levees
to hold off the flood of grit from their two major league sports organizations.
by 400metres on Apr 21, 2008 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BA
BA’s quote: “The FSN cameras are always watching.” Not so sure about that.
by oconnobe on Apr 21, 2008 8:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The cameras are watching
It’s the production truck that’s on another world.
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by TheJay on Apr 21, 2008 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a picky eater
but cold big Macs doesn’t sound good. Maybe they got a microwave in there somewhere.
by ol Pete on Apr 21, 2008 8:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Or hot special sauce, oh wait....
The Wallbangers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!
by 80badger on Apr 21, 2008 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Irony
Culver’s is based in WI and sponsors the Cubs
McDonald’s is based in IL and sponsors the Brewers
by Lake County on Apr 21, 2008 8:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cubs got bases juiced
with one out
The Wallbangers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!
by 80badger on Apr 21, 2008 8:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
those poor Cardinals
being the victims of 10% of Fielder’s home runs last season, quite impressive what with them constituting just 9.3% of the Crew’s schedule…
Rock really needs to leave the numbers thing to somebody else.
by Zeyes on Apr 21, 2008 8:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
sure but
it surely was Schroeder’s decision to make it sound as though the Cards had been particularly victimized.
by Zeyes on Apr 21, 2008 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea,
that is a reach.
but then it is a pretty slow game so far.
by 400metres on Apr 21, 2008 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how many of Hall's homers
came against the Reds last year?
by 400metres on Apr 21, 2008 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
isn't it possible
that Fielder hit two homers in one of those games?
by 400metres on Apr 21, 2008 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ESPNs lil pitch fx thing Is pretty cool
That was a really impressive at bat Fukudome had. I mean really, really impressive..
yeah, I’m resigned to watching the Cubs game because of some unwatchable feed issues over Charter in S central Wi..
And now the cubs are up, 4-1 bottom 8th
by throughhyperspace on Apr 21, 2008 8:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The same people that give the you yellow line in football
by dixieflatline on Apr 21, 2008 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That yellow line in football
has gotten quite accurate and subsequently, useful in the last few years
by throughhyperspace on Apr 21, 2008 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow some scary words there by Trenni.
by dixieflatline on Apr 21, 2008 8:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't she know
she should just stick to looking HOT!
The Wallbangers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!
by 80badger on Apr 21, 2008 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe I’m wrong, but her makeup level seems to be steadily increasing.
by ol Pete on Apr 21, 2008 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no kidding
I actually shuddered a little bit when she said that. Baffling
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by verno329 on Apr 21, 2008 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice night Villy
but it is time to call it a night sir!
The Wallbangers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!
by 80badger on Apr 21, 2008 8:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
98 pitches I think I agree
But if Gross gets on ahead of him I might leave him in if Yost is going to bunt. Those bench players are precious here.
by dixieflatline on Apr 21, 2008 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let Gallardo hit
He’s not much of a downgrade from the rest of the bench.
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by TheJay on Apr 21, 2008 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
the Cubs are soooo hot right now.
Who does that remind me of…...
by 400metres on Apr 21, 2008 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in a way that Pee-eh homer is good cuz that guy always swings for them. He’s going to remember today for a very long time.
by ol Pete on Apr 21, 2008 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're thinking of hansel
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0196229/quotes
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 21, 2008 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow...
Parra set to pinch-hit.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 21, 2008 8:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
nope, Suppan
geez, Yost is single-handedly going to create the pinch-bunter position.
by Zeyes on Apr 21, 2008 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bill jokes
Parra was a decoy.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 21, 2008 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When is the last time
Turbo worked?
The Wallbangers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!
by 80badger on Apr 21, 2008 8:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
April 15
Against the Cardinals.
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by TheJay on Apr 21, 2008 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Suppan here
by dixieflatline on Apr 21, 2008 8:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Best bunter on the team
So I hear.
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by TheJay on Apr 21, 2008 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At first i thought he was talking about Parra
I’m thinking “isn’t this the same guy who broke a finger bunting last year?”
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by verno329 on Apr 21, 2008 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It worked
No sh!t it worked, lol..
by throughhyperspace on Apr 21, 2008 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kendall's grit makes up for Gabe's mistake
Can't pitch Gagne in rain. He’s like the B-2 bomber of baseball.--TheJay
by verno329 on Apr 21, 2008 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those of us suffering
on Gameday still have no idea what happen. Please enlighten us on Gross’s faux pax
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by 80badger on Apr 21, 2008 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Took off from second toward third
On a ground ball in front of him and was tagged out in a rundown.
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by TheJay on Apr 21, 2008 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, he played catcher in college
But that doesn’t mean Dave Bush is a good-hitting pitcher. Hell, he’s barely average for a pitcher. I fail to understand why he’s always brought up when they mention Gallardo and Parra.
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by TheJay on Apr 21, 2008 8:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
it's a duality
Bad-hitting pitchers: Sheets, Doug Davis et al. Good-hitting pitchers: everybody else.
by Zeyes on Apr 21, 2008 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like a battle of the bullpens
With how good the cardinal’s pen has been that probably isn’t a good thing.
by dixieflatline on Apr 21, 2008 9:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Ludwick
Just when I was going to say he’s an example of a righty that’s terrible against lefties, he goes and makes the defense screw up.
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by TheJay on Apr 21, 2008 9:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I made a play like Corey Hart just did
...freshman year of high school.
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by TheJay on Apr 21, 2008 9:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
great start by Villy
Can't pitch Gagne in rain. He’s like the B-2 bomber of baseball.--TheJay
by verno329 on Apr 21, 2008 9:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I almost expected that
to turn into an inside-the-park HR. Yikes.
by Zeyes on Apr 21, 2008 9:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that was weird
I wonder what’s up with Corey
by ol Pete on Apr 21, 2008 9:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the park went silent
Awful quiet here. And he was hidden behind the wall so long chasing it, from behind the plate it looked like maybe he was down. Yuck
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by MSOBB on Apr 21, 2008 9:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
are you at the stadium?
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 21, 2008 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
Mota warming up.
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by MSOBB on Apr 21, 2008 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cool!
technology to the rescue.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 21, 2008 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
god bless verizon
My favorite part of every game is when the local cable company announces that they have wifi….in the parking lot. Ridiculous.
Go Mota.
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by MSOBB on Apr 21, 2008 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ahh, tailgating
brats, beer, and …brewers.com?
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 21, 2008 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
want to respond
But I’m busy crying into my beer and chucking my laptop over the railing and down into the field level. Geez. C’MON Mota…
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by MSOBB on Apr 21, 2008 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
somehow, sitting in front of my computer at home
I am only so sympathetic :)
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 21, 2008 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i mean game
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by MSOBB on Apr 21, 2008 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow...that was b-i-g
dp ball, right here.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 21, 2008 9:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Mota up in the pen
by dixieflatline on Apr 21, 2008 9:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
logic...bullpen usage...
i don’t understand what you’re getting at.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 21, 2008 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Way off topic
I was just checking on some PITCHf/x stuff for Mota and I accidentally clicked on Jamie Moyer who is right next to him. MLBAM claims he has thrown exactly 3 fastballs all year. Yeah maybe they need to work on that pitch identification algorithm.
by dixieflatline on Apr 21, 2008 9:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
well...
...he does stretch the definition of fastball.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 21, 2008 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and really,
you can’t expect an organization making millions of dollars to hire somebody as smart as you are. come on, if they did that, it might cut into bud’s salary!
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 21, 2008 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn,
those Cards have great plate discipline.
by 400metres on Apr 21, 2008 9:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
they better
I say 58%, vegas says 50% ... 8% of project-a-tron’s honor is at stake!
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 21, 2008 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Braun
defending its honor.
Good time for Prince's second homer
by molitorfan on Apr 21, 2008 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
alright ryan!
that looked very good.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 21, 2008 9:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Great start here
by dixieflatline on Apr 21, 2008 9:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Prince
shorten up that swing buddy
Good time for Prince's second homer
by molitorfan on Apr 21, 2008 9:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
but it worked.
by dixieflatline on Apr 21, 2008 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but
He didn’t need an HR swing there.
by Lake County on Apr 21, 2008 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fielder advanced the runner!
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 21, 2008 9:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
COREY HART!!!!!!!!!
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by MSOBB on Apr 21, 2008 9:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
some terrible D in right tonight
Good time for Prince's second homer
by molitorfan on Apr 21, 2008 9:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ludwick
Making up for Corey’s miscue in the field when he was batting!
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by TheJay on Apr 21, 2008 9:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Rock doesn't study
No great arms in the Cardinals outfield?
Nice return error by Ludwick, there!
by Marty McSuperFly on Apr 21, 2008 9:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
the radio delay is astounding…
by Oakland Brewer Fan on Apr 21, 2008 9:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's just
The universe correcting itself from last inning. You know…science.
by andrew_p on Apr 21, 2008 9:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hart
trying to get back to goat status
Good time for Prince's second homer
by molitorfan on Apr 21, 2008 9:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
how does Corey make it all the way to 3rd?!?!
nice hustle
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by verno329 on Apr 21, 2008 9:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cards didn't want to feel left out
in the three-base error department…
by Zeyes on Apr 21, 2008 9:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good Lord
Gagne’s up in the pen!?
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by TheJay on Apr 21, 2008 9:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Corey
made sure he’s not getting in
Good time for Prince's second homer
by molitorfan on Apr 21, 2008 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is one of those games
where the great pitching is outdone by the defensive miscues
by 400metres on Apr 21, 2008 9:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And Corey screws up.
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by Dikembe Meiztombo on Apr 21, 2008 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rock says that was "the contact play"
looked bad
by ol Pete on Apr 21, 2008 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FSN/Time Warner
Is a terrible HD combo. Whenever the important part of a replay comes up, it cuts out.
Get it together, for christ’s sake.
Lordz Of Vengeance....Sometimes I drink...Okay...I drink most of the time.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Apr 21, 2008 9:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
WTF!?!?!!?
WHY IS GAGNE WARMING UP?
by SunglassesAtNight on Apr 21, 2008 9:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
gritty?
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by Dikembe Meiztombo on Apr 21, 2008 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clearly Ned knows that my dog needs to be let out and that I can’t watch Gagne throw anymore. See, Ned cares about animals
Can't pitch Gagne in rain. He’s like the B-2 bomber of baseball.--TheJay
by verno329 on Apr 21, 2008 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gagne down
Turnbow up now. Pick your poison, I guess.
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by TheJay on Apr 21, 2008 9:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
oh boy.
Lordz Of Vengeance....Sometimes I drink...Okay...I drink most of the time.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Apr 21, 2008 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Turnbow better be electric tonight
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by Dikembe Meiztombo on Apr 21, 2008 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will appropriately
apply recs after hours on archive when others have missed it. Like scoring a hit on a questionable defensive play.
"Just the kiss of the Hops"
by Gus Lezcano on Apr 22, 2008 2:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he's supposed to hit Molina
To make up for picking Hart off.
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by TheJay on Apr 21, 2008 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take Brett Michaels
Good time for Prince's second homer
by molitorfan on Apr 21, 2008 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
damn
another one
"Just the kiss of the Hops"
by Gus Lezcano on Apr 22, 2008 2:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the pitcher fake-out
isn’t limited just to bunting, perhaps.
by Zeyes on Apr 21, 2008 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Turnbow
I will take that… it looks like it will be tied… like him to see put down the players 1-2-3 when we don’t score in the 8th, and give him the W with a game winner by Braun
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
by Kyguy922 on Apr 21, 2008 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Gagne inspired me to write an article about relief pitchers throwing multiple days
I didn’t have any data for four days in a row much less five. If you wan to see the article it will be up tomorrow.
by dixieflatline on Apr 21, 2008 9:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cordero went six straight at one point last year
And four straight another time.
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by TheJay on Apr 21, 2008 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you have
any data broken down by age, i would guess some younger guys could potentially do it, but older players like gagne, not so much
by SunglassesAtNight on Apr 21, 2008 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
I barely had enough data to do the simple study. Complicated things like that will have to wait for this year.
by dixieflatline on Apr 21, 2008 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw that article waiting
i figured it was no coincidence. i used my tht privilege and read it already :).
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 21, 2008 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah the perks of being a THT writer :)
by dixieflatline on Apr 21, 2008 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep, good stuff
glad to see it, since i had put something similar on my list.
I used to be ticked when people did stuff on my list … now I’m glad that other people are shortening my list for me :).
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 21, 2008 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
at least now
we get to blow it with a fresh arm
by SunglassesAtNight on Apr 21, 2008 9:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
All of a sudden
this is a sloppy game.
by tommyhawk on Apr 21, 2008 9:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Still pissed at Corey...
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by Dikembe Meiztombo on Apr 21, 2008 9:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
For the base running miscue
or the two misplayed balls in right?
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
by Kyguy922 on Apr 21, 2008 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s working on the ‘stache. As a fellow blonde-haired person, I can say its tough for us to work the facial hair.
Lordz Of Vengeance....Sometimes I drink...Okay...I drink most of the time.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Apr 21, 2008 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't wink at me
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by Dikembe Meiztombo on Apr 21, 2008 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Base running. We should have the lead now
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by Dikembe Meiztombo on Apr 21, 2008 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe? Possibly?
they completely defy the establishment of baseball and split the loss between hart and turnbow?
"You have no honor!" - McClung to Fukudome
by zsxander567 on Apr 21, 2008 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
outfield play
just the two in the outfield. And really just the 2nd one
by ksbrewer on Apr 21, 2008 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FYI
i literally had y MLB extra inning package purchased and turned it on just in time to see our third run
by SunglassesAtNight on Apr 21, 2008 9:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
it’s been killing me that i didn’t have it yet
by SunglassesAtNight on Apr 21, 2008 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
turnbow coming in
All the Cards fans in the audience are cheering. The Brewer fans are streaming out.
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by MSOBB on Apr 21, 2008 9:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
do you think turnbow's happy with his role now?
by SunglassesAtNight on Apr 21, 2008 9:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
if he is...
that makes one of us.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 21, 2008 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do you think
The guy at the corner of the visitor’s dugout pays for his full season seats?
He’s there every. Single. Game.
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by Dikembe Meiztombo on Apr 21, 2008 9:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. That dude.
Lordz Of Vengeance....Sometimes I drink...Okay...I drink most of the time.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Apr 21, 2008 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know his name?
Lordz Of Vengeance....Sometimes I drink...Okay...I drink most of the time.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Apr 21, 2008 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And here I was worried
Turnbow would try something crazy like picking Barton off second and wind up throwing the ball into center field.
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by TheJay on Apr 21, 2008 9:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Five in a row
without retiring the first batter. Gah.
by Zeyes on Apr 21, 2008 9:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
if we hold them to 1
I like kendall, weeks, hardy and if anyone reaches…
by tommyhawk on Apr 21, 2008 9:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah, this works as the last straw
i’m ready for turnbow to be a mariner. or something.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 21, 2008 9:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wonder how much salary the Brewers pay
by ol Pete on Apr 21, 2008 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
3.2MM - the prorated part of $380K
to the penny.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 21, 2008 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i mean once he becomes a mariner or something
by ol Pete on Apr 21, 2008 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, that's what i mean.
3.2MM (what we owe him) minus the prorated part of the minimum (what the m’s would have to pay him)
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 21, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
mindless nitpick
We’ve already paid him the non-prorated part of those 3.2m. And what splendid production it’s gotten us…
by Zeyes on Apr 21, 2008 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
right, i was just thinking that.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 21, 2008 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so NOW riske is warming?!
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 21, 2008 9:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Turnbow
This is the first batter he’s had to throw a second pitch to.
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by TheJay on Apr 21, 2008 9:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
so it's not that he's ineffective
He has just moved on to a higher plane of effectiveness.
by Zeyes on Apr 21, 2008 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now he reminds me of the Onion
“Special Olympics T-Ball Stand Pitches Perfect Game”
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by TheJay on Apr 21, 2008 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, it's been so long
I’ve forgotten how completely ineffective Turnbow has gotten.
His pride and joy – the “hold” is going to have to wait for another 15 days I guess.
by 400metres on Apr 21, 2008 9:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
so much
for the, you can’t pitch turnbow on back-to-back days and needs to start innings theory
by SunglassesAtNight on Apr 21, 2008 9:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
nobody said
that that was an exhaustive list. I think it should just be amended to “Turnbow can’t pitch in major-league ballparks.”
by Zeyes on Apr 21, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trunblow
blows games at helfair field
by SunglassesAtNight on Apr 21, 2008 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Official scorer bias
Give the hometown player a hit instead of charging Ludwick an error, that’s nice.
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by TheJay on Apr 21, 2008 9:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
All I could think
would be the issue with the lights. And he didn’t touch the ball.
by Lake County on Apr 21, 2008 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
The official scorer claimed it was a lights issue. Ludwick should get a hit then, too, I think.
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by TheJay on Apr 21, 2008 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh no,
but the lights are different in the bottom half of the inning!
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 21, 2008 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wish you were all here
there are seriously Cards fans everywhere in the stands, toasting Turnbow.
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by MSOBB on Apr 21, 2008 9:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I heard the cheering
Couldn’t figure it out… now I know why!
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by Kyguy922 on Apr 21, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
happens every series
by dixieflatline on Apr 21, 2008 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hah
Turnbow continues his “1+ walk in every outing” streak, artifically.
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by TheJay on Apr 21, 2008 9:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i would pay good money
to see ted simmons taser ned yost next time he’s on screen
by SunglassesAtNight on Apr 21, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Could there be two more unreliable relief pitchers in baseball than Gagne and Turnbow?
Or are they reliable in theri unreliablility?
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by verno329 on Apr 21, 2008 9:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If Paul Bako can hit a homer
Jason Kendall can, right?
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by TheJay on Apr 21, 2008 9:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
how crazy is it - I'm excited to see Kendall up
by ol Pete on Apr 21, 2008 9:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
In hindsight
I’d rather have seen Gagne on his 5th straight day than a rested Turnbow.
(Yeah, I know, no closers in tied home games, etc.)
by Zeyes on Apr 21, 2008 9:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ick
Not a good way to start the homestand.
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by TheJay on Apr 21, 2008 9:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
why can't we have a closer that ends games like that
by ksbrewer on Apr 21, 2008 9:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
we did, but he turned out to be a greedy prick
by 400metres on Apr 21, 2008 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
please
don’t talk about bob wickman like that
by SunglassesAtNight on Apr 21, 2008 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
please
by dixieflatline on Apr 21, 2008 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Means he should be good through Saturday
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by TheJay on Apr 21, 2008 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a case
of the Mondays
Good time for Prince's second homer
by molitorfan on Apr 21, 2008 9:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I look forward to the day that Turnbow is no longer a brewer
by 400metres on Apr 21, 2008 9:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the crazy thing is, he’s just awesome when he’s on. Sadly that hasn’t been forever it seems.
by ol Pete on Apr 21, 2008 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but he reduced his ERA today!
From 9.82 to 9.64…
by Zeyes on Apr 21, 2008 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
but when’s the last time he’s been awesome?
I remember cringing every time he came out of the ‘pen after the second half of the ‘06 season, waiting for the other shoe to drop, but now he is the shoe – I just expect suckiness to commence and I’m more shocked when he’s good.
by 400metres on Apr 21, 2008 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
speaking of the roster
Villy puts in an excellent outing
by ol Pete on Apr 21, 2008 9:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
does anyone wish there was a postgame thread?
and place for late night comments
by ol Pete on Apr 21, 2008 10:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Turnbow
I kind of had the feeling that turnbow was auditioning for another team today. In other words, the brewers were praying he could have had an uneventful inning and then trade him.
Maybe brewer players should keep their mouths shut. Turnbow now looks like a moron and Prince is eating his words about his contract talk. However, I do think Prince will get the last laugh.
by brewfan2 on Apr 21, 2008 10:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
15?
Yost can’t pick the right reliever with 14 pitchers, he’s going to press for 15 relievers now.
"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."
by MadJimiBrewha on Apr 21, 2008 10:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
team can’t let go of favorites. I’d love for Turnbow to be the old guy, but it ain’t happenin. Bush is a probable loss and no, Capuano isn’t going to come back. They talk about saving money on Vargas and throw away gobs of it.
by ol Pete on Apr 21, 2008 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you're talking about gettin Yosted..
I guess it’s having Riske warm up behind Turnbow when they didn’t use him earlier.
by throughhyperspace on Apr 21, 2008 10:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yost just answered "absolutely"
to the post-game question: would you have used Gagne tonight?
by 400metres on Apr 21, 2008 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yost on the radio post-game show
“We need to get Turnbow in [to those games] to keep the bullpen balanced and not have guys throwing three, four days in a row.”
Uh-oh.
by Zeyes on Apr 21, 2008 10:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yea, that's the solution - more Turnbow!
by 400metres on Apr 21, 2008 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
combine that with his Gagne quote
and we have the solution. Ladies and gentlemen, your new closer: Derrick Turnbow!
by Zeyes on Apr 21, 2008 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
Because, ya know, you cant be throwing your closer out there 4-5 games in a row or anything like that. ugh….yost!
"You have no honor!" - McClung to Fukudome
by zsxander567 on Apr 21, 2008 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gagne
Does he not understand how tv broadcast works? or did he think he was being crafty by trying to warm up gagne?
"You have no honor!" - McClung to Fukudome
by zsxander567 on Apr 21, 2008 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ohhhhhhhhh...
Yost is saying he’s almost the old Turnbow… I feel like Brando in Apocalypse Now. “the pain…”
by ol Pete on Apr 21, 2008 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks that was what I was trying to think of… I’m watching Yost… there are about 5 or 6 mind bending comments…
by ol Pete on Apr 21, 2008 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Explain it to me
Why Shouse? You are guaranteed a runner on base for Ankiel. That could have been the dumbest move of nite, when you have Riske in the pen who hasn’t pitched since Friday and could have gone two innings at that point. Using Turnbow and having a contact play on with your fastest runner on third and one out were master strokes compared to bringing in Shousie and sticking with him after TLR did the unexpected and pinch hit a rightie against the LOOGY.
by Getting Yosted on Apr 21, 2008 10:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You know, I with y'all in your frustration over the bullpen, but
this game was lost in the outfield and on the basepaths.
Not to mention at the plate…..
by 400metres on Apr 21, 2008 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
This one was lost like so many last year. Yost has a ‘plan’, and he sticks with his ‘plan’ even after the facts have changed to make his original ‘plan’ and all of the assumptions it was built on inoperable. Yost has the strategic planning capabilities of bellybutton lint.
by Getting Yosted on Apr 21, 2008 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he’s devoted to some players and he won’t let go. What does Turnbow do that McClung can’t do. Seth still has his velocity and throws a change up that looks like his. He hasn’t pitched for a while either. But like you say… Yost had a plan, and he loves Derrek and Bulldog and Gabey and Cappy.
ohhhhhhhhh….
by ol Pete on Apr 21, 2008 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Yost also said he was saving Riske for the tenth in the post-game press conference.
by Jordan M on Apr 21, 2008 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm frazzled
when I first read your comment, I thought you said that he was saving Riske for the post-game press conference.
by ol Pete on Apr 21, 2008 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Might as well have been
saving him for the press conference
by Jordan M on Apr 21, 2008 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Riske tore up the post-game press conferences in KC.
by SunglassesAtNight on Apr 21, 2008 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
McClung
What does any pitcher in the majors do that McClung can’t do?
Yours truely,
Jamie from LA
by SunglassesAtNight on Apr 21, 2008 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That righty
Was Ryan Ludwick, who’s actually awful against lefthanded pitching. If Shouse should face any righty, it’s him.
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by TheJay on Apr 21, 2008 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So
After that move by TLR, Shouse was then facing Ludwick, PUJOLS and Ankiel. Ankiel’s split against lefties is pretty good, like an OPS of .886 for his career good. So if there’s a lefty Shouse shouldn’t be facing its Ankiel, and we haven’t even discussed the elephant in the room of trotting out your LOOGY to face Pujols.
And Ludwick’s career Babip against LHP is .243. Isn’t the expectation for that to rise over his next 278 at bats, so if I am understanding correctly he is actually better than his overall stats would suggest.
If we are taking into account the entire inning and potential moves by TLR, Shouse was probably the last guy you wanted to trot out for the eighth. You grab Riske, who hadn’t pitched in three days with the expectation he will pitch the eighth and ninth. He would have been the sixth batter in the eighth, so if his spot does come up you have to think you are likely to be ahead at that point and you will be trotting out Gagne for the ninth so pinch-hitting for him isn’t a problem.
Instead, Yost went with one of his gritty man-crushes.
by Getting Yosted on Apr 22, 2008 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you not watch the game?
If Corey makes that easy catch, Shouse doesn’t have a guy standing on third. Completely different inning, and maybe a completely different outcome.
by brewfan2 on Apr 21, 2008 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Turnbow
Any chance he can hit homers like Ankiel?
by keephopealive on Apr 21, 2008 10:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
reportedly he does exactly that
in batting practice, at least.
Heck, at this point he can’t be a much worse hitter than he is a pitcher…
by Zeyes on Apr 21, 2008 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
That’s what I had in mind. We might try him at manager too…
by keephopealive on Apr 21, 2008 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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