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What To Expect From Mike Cameron

To listen to the announcers last night and read the paper the last few days, you'd think that we left center field and the number two spot empty for the first 25 games, just waiting to get Mike Cameron back so that we could really start our season.

Cameron's a good player, and he's definitely better than the alternatives.  Yes, even Gabe Kapler.  But let's be reasonable and try to get a sense of how much Cameron is likely to help this team.

Oddly enough, one possible answer is: Not very much.

Granted, Kapler and Tony Gwynn probably played above their heads, but including last night's game (because I'm lazy), the aggregate center field line for the Brewers so far is 294/342/451.  That's pretty darn good for center field--in fact, it's as far above average for the position as any other position on the club.  (I know, that isn't saying much.)  Even more impressive when you consider it included 44 PAs of Gabe Gross's sub-300 SLG, and 1 PA of Hernan Iribarren's OPS of zero.

Click over to FanGraphs if you want to see a whole bunch of projections for Cameron.  My system of choice, ZiPS, gives Cameron a 254/341/447 line.  In other words, basically the same as we've gotten so far.

As I've said, we couldn't have expected the platoon (Kaplynn?) to keep producing at that level, but at the plate, Cameron is probably not going to give us a boost. 

If you want to compare Cameron's offense to what he is replacing on the '07 team, we'll have to look back at the glory days of the Menchkins platoon.  Hall and Braun are probably going to give us about what they gave us last year (more of Braun, but probably not quite so phenomenal), so on offense, Cameron steps in for the left fielders.

Last year, the two-headed monster gave us production of 261/318/453.  It's a little worse than the Cameron projections, but not enough to make a big difference.  So again, at the plate, acquiring Cameron is a wash.  (On the field, anyway; off the field, Cameron is cheaper than Menchkins was, uses one fewer roster spot, and doesn't require special hat orders.)

Of course, I've gotten an awful long ways into a discussion of Mike Cameron without touching on his defense.  I guess I saved the best for last.

As you all probably know, Cameron is an elite defender.  Defensive metrics make it hard to anoint a winner, but he is possibly the best center fielder in baseball.  According to RZR (leaders in 2007 , or 2006), he's among the top few in the league along with Andruw Jones, Carlos Beltran, and Juan Pierre.  (RZR doesn't take outfield arms into effect.)

Another data point: according to MGL's proprietary Ultimate Zone Rating (UZR) system, Cameron was among the top CFs from 2000-2003 , as well.  (You'll have to scroll down to find the CFs.)  In fact, in that span, he's the highest-rated player who was a regular for the better part of those four years.  I wouldn't put too much stock in 5-8 year old defensive data--guys slow down, even guys who take a lot of stimulants--but it shows that the 06-07 data is no fluke.

There's no good way to know whether Kapler and Gwynn would have been as good in the field as Cameron will be; we just won't accumulate the data.  (*Someone* might have play-by-play and hit location data for Gwynn's time in the minors, but *someone* is kind of lazy in crunching the numbers.) 

As I noted in my article about defense earlier this week, the outfield has been strong, and it seems like a good bet that Ryan Braun is not to blame for that.  So as the conventional wisdom would indicate, Kapler is a pretty good defensive center fielder, though almost certainly not in the same league as Cameron.

So...that's what we have to expect from our shiny new toy.  He's not our savior--there are a lot of other bats in the lineup that have to play that role right now--but he is a key part of the offseason plan that turned the Brewers into what is most likely a solid defensive team.

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Great points

I think he had a great first day, but bottom line, his offense is not the reason to be excited about Cameron, it is his defense.

I got a smile from him yesterday after a postgame interview, as he headed into the dugout after I yelled “Welcome to Brewer Nation Mike!”

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by Kyguy922 on Apr 30, 2008 12:47 PM CDT   0 recs

Come On!

After last night’s performance you have to raise your expectations. I mean the guy went .600/.667/.800 against one of the best pitching staffs in the NL!!! If he can do that against the cubs superior pitching staff just imagine what he can do against the Astros or Pirates. I’m expecting record breaking MVP numbers…maybe something like .642/.750/.987 seems reasonable.

In all honesty though it was a great introduction to Brewers fans. I’ll be happy with superior defense and decent OBP.

Jeff, do those projections take into account hitting in front of Prince? I don’t really have any clue how those things work and if it is even possible to take that into account, but I’m wondering if we should expect any difference in numbers from the projections due to that.

"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."

by MadJimiBrewha on Apr 30, 2008 1:13 PM CDT   0 recs

Brewers success

I don’t think our season “started” last night, but it was definitely entertaining to see Cameron out there doing his thing (which we all have differing opinions on what he actually brings to the table). Deep down I just wanted him to calm the other guys down a bit, hopefully stabilizing the lineup once and for all. With all the talk about Rickie’s struggles and our big bats not hitting prime time yet, this season basically boils down to the arms of Sheets and Gallardo. We are a .500 team when Suppan, Villa, and Parra pitch. Our #1 and #2 are the guys that push us over the 81-81 mark. Right now, the bullpen is a wash with Riske still finding his comfort zone and the veterans pitching over their heads. Overall, I think what we are seeing on the field is probably on the lower end of what’s possible, so gear up for an eventful summer run.

by UWbrewball on Apr 30, 2008 2:09 PM CDT   0 recs

I think that most teams are like that

If you can play .500 ball with the back end of the rotation you are going to be a pretty decent team. And pretty decent should still win the division despite the hot starts of the Cubs, Brewers, and Cards.

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by dixieflatline on Apr 30, 2008 2:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Any better than 'pretty decent'

and we’d be promoted to a better division! Two years like that, and we’d be allowed back in the AL.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 30, 2008 2:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

somewhat of a non-sequitur

but it would be funny if the Central ends up being the strongest division in the NL this year (right now that’s the case) after many season previews pretty much rehashed last year’s “worst division in baseball” jokes.

by Zeyes on Apr 30, 2008 4:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It is going to be fun getting to watch him in center regularly. We have had some real winners in center for a long time.

by Braunstalker on Apr 30, 2008 4:43 PM CDT   0 recs

I wonder though...

Not to delve too far into psychology (for which I’m woefully unqualified), but I wonder if some of the guys on the roster might relax a bit more with Cameron in the lineup, which could augment the team’s offensive output in the short term. Let’s face it: I don’t think Prince or Braun ever thought “it’s ok, Gabe Kapler’s here” during the first 25 games, and they might do that a bit with Cameron. Long term that has no impact, but it might have some in the short run.

"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 30, 2008 4:58 PM CDT   0 recs

Pitchers

I could see it possibly helping the pitchers feel more comfortable out there knowing a proven gold glover is out there patrolling center as opposed to Gross, Kapler, or even Gwynn due to his relatively short track record.

"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."

by MadJimiBrewha on Apr 30, 2008 6:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Given

that we’ve surrendered 26 runs in the two games, I’d say the early returns aren’t promising. :)

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by roguejim on May 1, 2008 8:54 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah

It’s probably good for pitchers to think that they have a fielder who will cut down on doubles to the gap.

“Hey, Mike, see if you can get to this one!”

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on May 1, 2008 9:32 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

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