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Game Thread #27: Brewers (15-11) at Cubs (16-10)

Tonight at 7:05 CT, it's Jeff Suppan vs. Ryan Dempster.  Both starters have overperformed so far, and both starters are going to face a good offense tonight.

Here's the BR Game Preview.

Project-a-tron sees this as a very even matchup:

  • Brewers: 5.5
  • Cubs: 5.3
  • Brewers WinExp: 47.5%  (home field swings it back in the Cubs favor)

Go Brewers!

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keep mo going!

"Cubs fans boo again – 99% of these people can’t see the plate." -Ueck

by dux2bux on Apr 30, 2008 5:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Win Probability

Brewers WinExp…
My Simulator: 46.56
Vegas: 41.67%
vr, Xeifrank

by Xeifrank on Apr 30, 2008 6:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Fascinating

Thank you…

"My thing is that you guys eat meat all day and you can't hit a ball. That's my thing." - P. Fielder

by SRB on Apr 30, 2008 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tom Hallion

Wasn’t he the umpire who took over for Crawford behind home plate last night? He’s back there again.

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by TheJay on Apr 30, 2008 7:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Nauert?

I couldn’t remember if it was Paul Nauert or Hallion.

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by TheJay on Apr 30, 2008 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lineup

good to see the same lineup 2 nights in a row. I guess even Ned knows how to ride the hot lineup

Good time for Prince's fifth homer

by molitorfan on Apr 30, 2008 7:11 PM CDT reply actions  

That glove rotation move

is strange and I would think distracting.

"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."

by MadJimiBrewha on Apr 30, 2008 7:13 PM CDT reply actions  

BA said <40,000 were at the game last night

It wasn’t sold out?

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Apr 30, 2008 7:14 PM CDT reply actions  

9 pitches for Dempster

Lovely.

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by TheJay on Apr 30, 2008 7:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Silver Lining

Not striking out…yet

"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."

by MadJimiBrewha on Apr 30, 2008 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Derek Lee

crushes brewers pitching

"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."

by MadJimiBrewha on Apr 30, 2008 7:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Soup's xFIP is 4.43

Dempsters is 4.15

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Apr 30, 2008 7:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh great

Another one Rickie almost got.

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Apr 30, 2008 7:22 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm completely done with Weeks

Sorry folks, I think this is all we’re gonna get.

by Lake County on Apr 30, 2008 7:22 PM CDT reply actions  

he was running

the opposite way to the base. Not the easiest play

Good time for Prince's fifth homer

by molitorfan on Apr 30, 2008 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's true

But he keeps getting to balls and failing to even knock them down.

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Apr 30, 2008 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's not just one thing

It’s all aspects of his game. I’m not seeing any consistent development.

by Lake County on Apr 30, 2008 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was running to second

but that is the wrong way to make the play. As the boys on ESPN pointed out his footwork was incorrect on the play. Basic stuff for a guy in the majors.

The Wallbangers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!

by 80badger on Apr 30, 2008 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

He went straight

to the bag to cover the running going. “straight” in the sense in that hge stepped directly towards 2B.

I am sure he has been taught to play the ball first. With a runner going and having to cover the bag a 2nd baseman should take his first steps towards the batter so that in case the ball is put in play (like here) he is moving to the ball and still in position to make the play. If the ball is not put in play he then slides to his right to cover the bag for the throw from Kendall. Looking from above the path to second would be in the shape of an “L” not a straight line.

If the ball is put in play to him, with the correct footwork as noted above, he is moving towards the ball and makes the play, probably a DP in this case.

His mistake was taking a series of steps directly towards the bag, leaving a hole and being unprepared to play the ball. You teach to play the ball first then cover the bag.

The Wallbangers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!

by 80badger on Apr 30, 2008 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

They should have had Lee at second

Damn. Theriot somehow failed to score from second on a double.

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Apr 30, 2008 7:25 PM CDT reply actions  

wtf

"Cubs fans boo again – 99% of these people can’t see the plate." -Ueck

by dux2bux on Apr 30, 2008 7:27 PM CDT reply actions  

The first out is always the hardest

Uh…right?

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Apr 30, 2008 7:29 PM CDT reply actions  

At least he had a good reach

Half a league, half a league, half a league onward, all in the valley of death rode the Brewer's bullpen.

by nuclearbrewer on Apr 30, 2008 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

can we use a mulligan?

"Cubs fans boo again – 99% of these people can’t see the plate." -Ueck

by dux2bux on Apr 30, 2008 7:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Weather

I guess the temperature being 10-15 degrees warmer really started the Cubs’ bats

Good time for Prince's fifth homer

by molitorfan on Apr 30, 2008 7:32 PM CDT reply actions  

On the bright side

Huntsville just took a 2-0 lead on Jacob McGee.

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Apr 30, 2008 7:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Huntsville

is having Biscuits for dinner. Much better than soup.

Good time for Prince's fifth homer

by molitorfan on Apr 30, 2008 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Obligatory shot of Mark Cuban

I couldn’t handle him in MP with Cubroaches.

by Lake County on Apr 30, 2008 7:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Dempster

Should be taking notes…this is how you are supposed to pitch.

by UWbrewball on Apr 30, 2008 7:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh awesome

I think I’ll take a nap.

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Apr 30, 2008 7:33 PM CDT reply actions  

WHYDFML?

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by TheJay on Apr 30, 2008 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

DTMFA?

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Apr 30, 2008 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ouch

Did somebody forget to warm up Soup?

Half a league, half a league, half a league onward, all in the valley of death rode the Brewer's bullpen.

by nuclearbrewer on Apr 30, 2008 7:34 PM CDT reply actions  

I think Sheets

forgot to give back the grit that Soup borrowed him last night.

"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."

by MadJimiBrewha on Apr 30, 2008 7:34 PM CDT reply actions  

ERA 162.00

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Apr 30, 2008 7:35 PM CDT reply actions  

who says

the economy is bad?

Good time for Prince's fifth homer

by molitorfan on Apr 30, 2008 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cuts it in half with one pitch!

What a master!

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Apr 30, 2008 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Welp

Time for Suppan to bite the bullet & put in a long outing in a blowout a la Greg Maddux.

Lordz Of Vengeance....Sometimes I drink...Okay...I drink most of the time.

by Dikembe Meiztombo on Apr 30, 2008 7:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah

at this point Yost needs to tell him this is his game and he needs to eat some of these innings…and hopefully limit any more damage.

Who knows, maybe last night was the awakening party for the offense.

"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."

by MadJimiBrewha on Apr 30, 2008 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yost

Better not bring in Seth

Lordz Of Vengeance....Sometimes I drink...Okay...I drink most of the time.

by Dikembe Meiztombo on Apr 30, 2008 7:36 PM CDT reply actions  

might as well...couldn't be worse right now

"Cubs fans boo again – 99% of these people can’t see the plate." -Ueck

by dux2bux on Apr 30, 2008 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

i want to puke

"Cubs fans boo again – 99% of these people can’t see the plate." -Ueck

by dux2bux on Apr 30, 2008 7:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Which way offense - quick poll

Everyone tries to hit a 5-run solo HR, or they chip away?

by Lake County on Apr 30, 2008 7:38 PM CDT reply actions  

this is the type of game

Hall loves hitting home runs in.

Good time for Prince's fifth homer

by molitorfan on Apr 30, 2008 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

chip away

problem is they gotta hit the Dempster. Start bunting like crazy.

by ol Pete on Apr 30, 2008 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Start right here with a Prince bunt for a hit

"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."

by MadJimiBrewha on Apr 30, 2008 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

ooooh

Fielder leads the league in sac flies. Lovely.

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Apr 30, 2008 7:42 PM CDT reply actions  

This would be fun

Get a couple runners on and have Suppan come up to bat and let the talk of Yostings begin.

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by TheJay on Apr 30, 2008 7:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Could be a funny series

Blowout loss today, close win tomorrow maybe?

Outscored in the series, but win it?

Clutching for anything at this point.

by Lake County on Apr 30, 2008 7:46 PM CDT reply actions  

get a couple runs back here

"Cubs fans boo again – 99% of these people can’t see the plate." -Ueck

by dux2bux on Apr 30, 2008 7:46 PM CDT reply actions  

This game...

...could be our reverse Cordero game. At least I can hope.

by UWbrewball on Apr 30, 2008 7:49 PM CDT reply actions  

sometimes

the question is how often

by ol Pete on Apr 30, 2008 7:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Turnbow

How many batters will he walk in his inevitable appearance tonight?

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by TheJay on Apr 30, 2008 7:50 PM CDT reply actions  

I’ll put the Over/Under at 1.5.

Place your bets, gentlemen.

Lordz Of Vengeance....Sometimes I drink...Okay...I drink most of the time.

by Dikembe Meiztombo on Apr 30, 2008 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it depends

if it’s still a blowout then it’s none

If the Crew has crept back into it, then 2 or 3

by sheeter on Apr 30, 2008 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

agreed

if it doesn’t matter he’ll be fine

"Cubs fans boo again – 99% of these people can’t see the plate." -Ueck

by dux2bux on Apr 30, 2008 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hope?

Maybe this’ll turn out close like the game in which Suppan was shelled last year.

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by TheJay on Apr 30, 2008 7:52 PM CDT reply actions  

That era is dropping like a rock

Dropped in molasses.

Half a league, half a league, half a league onward, all in the valley of death rode the Brewer's bullpen.

by nuclearbrewer on Apr 30, 2008 7:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Glass half full

It would be a devastating loss for our IL friends if the Crew came back.

by Lake County on Apr 30, 2008 7:55 PM CDT reply actions  

that's true

I say don’t burn out the bullpen. Either Suppan gets it together enough or go with the Klingon for about 6 innings and see what happens. Isn’t that why he is in there? Why is he in there?

by ol Pete on Apr 30, 2008 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

Play for the series. Already won 1, so the worst case is losing 1 game only in the standings.

Road head to head, sweep is the major avoidance in a case like this.

by Lake County on Apr 30, 2008 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

what about road head?

Good time for Prince's fifth homer

by molitorfan on Apr 30, 2008 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Suppan

loves to start off the count 3-0. That way, he tricks the batter into taking a strike.

by UWbrewball on Apr 30, 2008 7:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Come on Braun

make it a ballgame.

Good time for Prince's fifth homer

by molitorfan on Apr 30, 2008 8:05 PM CDT reply actions  

come on braun!

"Cubs fans boo again – 99% of these people can’t see the plate." -Ueck

by dux2bux on Apr 30, 2008 8:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Mike Cameron

Pads the “going from first to third on a single” stats.

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by TheJay on Apr 30, 2008 8:06 PM CDT reply actions  

I was done having kids

But now I have to have one and name him/her Cameron

by Lake County on Apr 30, 2008 8:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Read my signature

Good time for Prince's fifth homer

by molitorfan on Apr 30, 2008 8:06 PM CDT reply actions  

i'm a fan of it

"Cubs fans boo again – 99% of these people can’t see the plate." -Ueck

by dux2bux on Apr 30, 2008 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now's the time for the five run homer

Half a league, half a league, half a league onward, all in the valley of death rode the Brewer's bullpen.

by nuclearbrewer on Apr 30, 2008 8:07 PM CDT reply actions  

wild pitch please

"Cubs fans boo again – 99% of these people can’t see the plate." -Ueck

by dux2bux on Apr 30, 2008 8:07 PM CDT reply actions  

crap

Good time for Prince's fifth homer

by molitorfan on Apr 30, 2008 8:09 PM CDT reply actions  

what was that?

No, seriously. FSN decided to show Soup the whole play

by sheeter on Apr 30, 2008 8:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Fukudome

Gaack – wouldn’t the ball have japanese on it, rather than english?

Half a league, half a league, half a league onward, all in the valley of death rode the Brewer's bullpen.

by nuclearbrewer on Apr 30, 2008 8:13 PM CDT reply actions  

It's official

I hate Suppan

(not for real – guy’s awesome with the charities)

by Lake County on Apr 30, 2008 8:17 PM CDT reply actions  

hah hah

Ned to Lloyd: “Just play at the wall- that’s where they’re all going…”

by sheeter on Apr 30, 2008 8:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Well.

I go out to run errands for an hour and come back to discover this suckiness. Thought we might get another good start from Suppan before things went south, since it’s still April and all.

"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 30, 2008 8:26 PM CDT reply actions  

His fairy tale only lasts till sunset...

not midnight.

"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."

by MadJimiBrewha on Apr 30, 2008 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

any chance we can swap

Bush’s stats with Suppan’s?

"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."

by MadJimiBrewha on Apr 30, 2008 8:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Bush is down in Nashville thinking

hell, I could give up 7 runs in 3 innings.

"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 30, 2008 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can't resist

He could tend bar and cook in his LA restaurant.

Or face the Mets in the playoffs again.

by Lake County on Apr 30, 2008 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

if only it were so

by ol Pete on Apr 30, 2008 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can't we just put him on ice

until someone else gets the crew to the p-offs?

"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."

by MadJimiBrewha on Apr 30, 2008 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nah.

We just need to clone Sheets and Gallardo.

"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 30, 2008 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Overbay Trade

Just cuz I’m pissed:

Gross – TB
Bush – #6, AAAA
Jackson – ahem…

by Lake County on Apr 30, 2008 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey look - another base runner...

At least more air time for EA isn’t bad.

Half a league, half a league, half a league onward, all in the valley of death rode the Brewer's bullpen.

by nuclearbrewer on Apr 30, 2008 8:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Using a guy like Shouse allows Ned to pinch-hit for the pitcher’s spot next inning and then use a long reliever without taking out any of the other starters. Powell’s theory, anyway.

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by TheJay on Apr 30, 2008 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah

but if you ask me he should have pulled him before the inning started. He waited too long.

by ol Pete on Apr 30, 2008 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's a six-run deficit

You’re very unlikely to come back anyway, so why use more relievers than you have to?

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by TheJay on Apr 30, 2008 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well

you used Shouse. You could have used McClung and Turnbow. They seem to be reviled by a lot of fans and they don’t get used otherwise, so it seems to me that would be better than this.

by ol Pete on Apr 30, 2008 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

oops

At least Hall booting it keeps the double play in order, something a Braun throw-away wouldn’t have

Half a league, half a league, half a league onward, all in the valley of death rode the Brewer's bullpen.

by nuclearbrewer on Apr 30, 2008 8:38 PM CDT reply actions  

ESPN

Glad the whole country is watching this game.

Good time for Prince's fifth homer

by molitorfan on Apr 30, 2008 8:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh that's right

Nice. Cuban’s going to have to buy high for sure now.

by Lake County on Apr 30, 2008 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, exactly

This is the first Brewers game I’ve gotten to watch all season out here in Virginia. Great….

by balldeagle on Apr 30, 2008 8:39 PM CDT reply actions  

same here

I’m in Alexandria…

Half a league, half a league, half a league onward, all in the valley of death rode the Brewer's bullpen.

by nuclearbrewer on Apr 30, 2008 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I say we let Suppan throw his arm off.

No sense running through the whole pen on what appears to be a lost cause.

Barring a fairly dramatic comeback in the next inning or so, I’d put the odds of T-Bow getting some work in at about 90% tonight.

"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 30, 2008 8:39 PM CDT reply actions  

LaPorta just hit a three-run bomb

So there’s that.

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Apr 30, 2008 8:42 PM CDT reply actions  

woohoo!

"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 30, 2008 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

We are running over

to Montgomery this weekend to see Huntsville play the Biscuits! Ssould be a blast.

The Wallbangers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!

by 80badger on Apr 30, 2008 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

TSSpeed Camp, about your avatar...

I got nothing against it, and I know you’re proud of your family. But what if you’re tempted to say something not-so-nice? Then everybody looks at your wife. There are a lot of whackos out there ya know (just check out BleedCubbieBlue…)

by balldeagle on Apr 30, 2008 8:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah.

That thought occured to me last night. I’m going to lose it sometime tonight. Though I think I’m generally pretty well behaved on the threads (ecept for the not-so-funny jokes).

"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 30, 2008 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, there's no time like the present.

It’s not like the game is any fun to watch.

"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 30, 2008 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shouse

So much for that preventing inherited runners from scoring thing.

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by TheJay on Apr 30, 2008 8:47 PM CDT reply actions  

No chance.

Barring a fist-fight with a player or something along those lines. Melvin loves the guy.

"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 30, 2008 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

If he hasn't been fired yet

It won’t be because of one bad start by Jeff Suppan or using Shouse as a mop-up guy.

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by TheJay on Apr 30, 2008 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe

if they don’t make the playoffs – wow that’s depressing

by ol Pete on Apr 30, 2008 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ouch

Why was Shouse facing a righty?

Half a league, half a league, half a league onward, all in the valley of death rode the Brewer's bullpen.

by nuclearbrewer on Apr 30, 2008 8:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Unh

I turn around for two seconds and CHI goes up by 3 more?

Is their defense on ball tonight, or are we just sucking?

by kirbir on Apr 30, 2008 8:50 PM CDT reply actions  

thanks for understanding

I don’t want to tell you the reason why I had to say something. I’ve got experience with whackos attacking my family.

by balldeagle on Apr 30, 2008 8:50 PM CDT reply actions  

oops

that was supposed to be in my reply thread to Speed Camp..

by balldeagle on Apr 30, 2008 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

So

after 2 high scoring games so far this series, what are the odds Gallardo can shut down the Cubs offense tomorrow?

"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."

by MadJimiBrewha on Apr 30, 2008 8:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Uecker insight

“Couple a grand slammers and we’re right back in this thing…”

Whenever prince is at first, he should charge the mound and yell "MEAT!"

by Jordan M on Apr 30, 2008 8:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Ueck rocks.

"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 30, 2008 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

There. How's that?

"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 30, 2008 8:55 PM CDT reply actions  

for me the avatars are so tiny

I couldn’t tell anything about yours or most anyone elses

by ol Pete on Apr 30, 2008 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, just got in -

how’s the game go – ohhhhhhh what the fuck!?

by 400metres on Apr 30, 2008 9:00 PM CDT reply actions  

lol

"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 30, 2008 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Game's not over

If last night is any indicator, no lead is completely safe in this series. And if any bullpen is as likely to bleed away 12 runs as the Brewers’, it’s the Cubs’.

"My thing is that you guys eat meat all day and you can't hit a ball. That's my thing." - P. Fielder

by SRB on Apr 30, 2008 9:00 PM CDT reply actions  

I'd be happy if they put up enough runs to make the Cubs use a few guys out of their pen again...

A comeback would be great, but setting up tomorrow is a more realistic goal…

"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 30, 2008 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

good game by braun so far

"Cubs fans boo again – 99% of these people can’t see the plate." -Ueck

by dux2bux on Apr 30, 2008 9:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Too bad he's out of the game now

Ned sending in the cavalry with the white flag (Rivera at 1B, Gwynn in LF).

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by TheJay on Apr 30, 2008 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

That flag's not white

It’s brown from all the grit covering it!

"My thing is that you guys eat meat all day and you can't hit a ball. That's my thing." - P. Fielder

by SRB on Apr 30, 2008 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I really think that's crap.

"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 30, 2008 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

definitely a shitastic move -

9 runs by the Crew’s starters is not out of the question, unlikely, but not out of the question

by 400metres on Apr 30, 2008 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh wow...there goes the lineup...

"Cubs fans boo again – 99% of these people can’t see the plate." -Ueck

by dux2bux on Apr 30, 2008 9:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Should I be as mad at Ned as I am?

Or is the slim chance of injury justification for essentially giving up in the 4th inning?

"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 30, 2008 9:05 PM CDT reply actions  

BA is giving his "Brief History of Wrigley Field" speech to fill time

and distract viewers from the fact that we’re playing a split squad game at this point…

"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 30, 2008 9:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Frack

What a way to hit into a double play…

Half a league, half a league, half a league onward, all in the valley of death rode the Brewer's bullpen.

by nuclearbrewer on Apr 30, 2008 9:11 PM CDT reply actions  

what a shame

just got home from work, and to think I missed all of that.

blech.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 30, 2008 9:11 PM CDT reply actions  

If Hall is hurting

why was he not taken out

"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."

by MadJimiBrewha on Apr 30, 2008 9:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Tommy John surgery

Do pitchers lose velocity when they have it? I didn’t know McClung had it.

by ol Pete on Apr 30, 2008 9:15 PM CDT reply actions  

mixed results

some pitchers actually gain velocity, and there was a span a few years back when there were rumors (at the very least) of kids getting it in high school / early college for the perceived benefits.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 30, 2008 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also, cheese

I think you might appreciate this signature…

Whenever prince is at first, he should charge the mound and yell "MEAT!"

by Jordan M on Apr 30, 2008 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heh

Very nice :)

"Brett Favre looks like a man in a parking lot playing with boys." - John Madden

by kirbir on Apr 30, 2008 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

ha!

were you the one who originally said “also, cheese” in a post? I can’t remember now.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 30, 2008 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, but I can't take credit

It was a Deadspin comment, after someone wrote that the Brewers reeked of starting slow and finishing strong. Someone added, “Also, Cheese”.

Whenever prince is at first, he should charge the mound and yell "MEAT!"

by Jordan M on Apr 30, 2008 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gwynn

I like the kid, but if anyone thinks he’s more than AAAA, let’s talk about bridges.

by Lake County on Apr 30, 2008 9:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Maybe not 4 A

But 4th OF

Whenever prince is at first, he should charge the mound and yell "MEAT!"

by Jordan M on Apr 30, 2008 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

More fun down on the farm

Gamel hit his fifth (!) triple and LaPorta doubled him in. Go go Gadget slugging percentage!

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Apr 30, 2008 9:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Well, that's nice

Whenever prince is at first, he should charge the mound and yell "MEAT!"

by Jordan M on Apr 30, 2008 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

so should they go to AAA

or stay there? What is the thinking behind all that?

by ol Pete on Apr 30, 2008 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Many teams use AAA as a holding tank for possible roster fodder

But judging by precedent set with Fielder, Weeks, Hardy & Braun, most guys are going to at least catch a couple hundred ABs in Nashville.

LaPorta and Gillespie, being “old”, have the best chance of getting jumped directing from Huntsville to Milwaukee, if Corey Hart or Ryan Braun goes down for a significant amount of time and the team doesn’t want to use a guy like Brendan Katin.

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Apr 30, 2008 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

McClung for....
President Starting Rotation 2008!

"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."

by MadJimiBrewha on Apr 30, 2008 9:23 PM CDT reply actions  

I retract my endorsment

"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."

by MadJimiBrewha on Apr 30, 2008 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

McClung

With a typical McClungian effort tonight.

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by TheJay on Apr 30, 2008 9:27 PM CDT reply actions  

let him ride

its better than not knowing. He’s been badass a couple times.

by ol Pete on Apr 30, 2008 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

And a whole bunch of mediocre overall.

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by TheJay on Apr 30, 2008 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Looking at what a guy's done in his career?

No, not at all. How silly of me.

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by TheJay on Apr 30, 2008 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't you think current performance is what counts?

Its not like he has ever lacked in ability. Did you want to do a “projection” of the future?

by ol Pete on Apr 30, 2008 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't get what you mean

Are you saying that a player’s past stats are completely irrelevant if they have a good month?

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by TheJay on Apr 30, 2008 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

"completely" and a "good month"

tell me you aren’t really looking for an answer.

But like I said – extremely able and performing well are relevant.

by ol Pete on Apr 30, 2008 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Extremely able?

I guess I don’t see how he’s “extremely able.” That’s just the potential that’s had everyone drooling over him pitching poorly in his MLB career.

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by TheJay on Apr 30, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

pitching poorly and pitching well aren't the same thing

I sure don’t want to go back and forth about the definitions of ability, performance or potential, especially when this is probably more about him taking up a roster spot that you want for Dave Bush.

by ol Pete on Apr 30, 2008 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Huh?

”...this is probably more about him taking up a roster spot that you want for Dave Bush.”

Aren’t you the guy who bitches about people putting words in your mouth? If you think Seth McClung has been a quality MLB pitcher in his career, that’s fine for you, but it’s just one more example of why I have trouble taking a lot of your opinions on players seriously.

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by TheJay on Apr 30, 2008 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

well, is it true?

Do you want Dave Bush back up?

And like I said… and said, if he’s a quality pitcher now, that’s what’s relevant.

by ol Pete on Apr 30, 2008 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Do you want Dave Bush back up?"

Does it matter?

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by TheJay on Apr 30, 2008 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Excuse me for not understanding why.

I also don’t get why McClung is a quality pitcher now.

Is it because he had a couple scoreless outings in a row? That’s the same sort of cherry-picking crap that leads to saying Eric Munson is a streaky hitter because he went 12-20 in six games once in his major league career.

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by TheJay on Apr 30, 2008 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is there some reason you're on this crusade?

Seriously, pick another guy to go against the crowd on, already.

I don’t care if they call up Bush to replace McClung or not. There’s a reason guys like McClung or Bush are at the back of the bullpen: they’re not very good.

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by TheJay on Apr 30, 2008 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

I tried to talk to you about it, but you don’t want to. The crusade is yours not mine. I’m shocked you say Bush isn’t very good. What about his K/9 and BB/9 over his career of course, we don’t want to isolate this year with some cherry picking crap.

by ol Pete on Apr 30, 2008 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know...

Just because someone has a good game or even a couple doesn’t mean that they’re great players.

Their long-run stats are gonna give more of a hint at what type of player they are, not one game or even one year.

I don’t see why this being an issue you you Pete.

"Brett Favre looks like a man in a parking lot playing with boys." - John Madden

by kirbir on Apr 30, 2008 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

"great player" - your words not mine

How about 3? Seven? A year? How does it work? And isn’t it more important to win games this year?

by ol Pete on Apr 30, 2008 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's why that philosophy can be wrong

Just one example, but take a look at what this guy did in 2006. He was a good hitter then. But he regressed back to the type of production he usually had

Whenever prince is at first, he should charge the mound and yell "MEAT!"

by Jordan M on Apr 30, 2008 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shelton

if he gets called up to play in Arlington in August, the park + weather may just give him the conditions to slug 1200 again!

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 30, 2008 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Too bad Fukudome didn't hit a homer

To make that a total 3TO inning.

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by TheJay on Apr 30, 2008 9:34 PM CDT reply actions  

You know, I don't want to jinx it...

... but I’m tempted to give the folks over at the other BCB credit for the fact that no one has showed up over here to troll thus far. Last year they would have been over here in the first inning of a game like this.

As I said, i’d like to give them credit for that.

But I’m not sure I can, since so many of them regard the Brewers as beside the point this year with the Cardinals posing the real threat. If we’re not a real rival, there’s no need to gloat, I guess.

Weeks… not to nitpick, but why isn’t he on thierd on that play? He coasted into 2nd…

"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 30, 2008 9:41 PM CDT reply actions  

I, for one, see you guys as a much bigger threat than St. Louis...

(just wanted to point that out)

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by northsider on Apr 30, 2008 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think most Cubs fans recognize the Brewers as the biggest threat...

...in the division, but still think of the Cardinals as the biggest rivals, if that makes sense.

by cwyers on Apr 30, 2008 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

True.

Like the Packers, Vikings and Bears in football… the Vikings biggest rival is the Packers, but the Packers biggest rival is the Bears….

"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 30, 2008 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

It does.

"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 30, 2008 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mat Gamel adds a homer

Fuck the Brewers, I’m moving to Huntsville.

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Apr 30, 2008 9:43 PM CDT reply actions  

If you like engineers

Huntsville is awesome.

Read any book (I have plenty to recommend) on Apollo, Gemini, Mercury, etc…Huntsville is right there.

by Lake County on Apr 30, 2008 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

bk hates engineers

rough childhood.

I’ll take recommendations…

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 30, 2008 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

So will I... if you've got them...

"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 30, 2008 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Personally, I think we got hosed on that one! - Harry Doyle

by reverse24 on May 1, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

And they play hockey

What’s up with that?

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Apr 30, 2008 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it depends strongly on how well he plays defense this year

If he is a legitimate third baseman, Bill Hall isn’t gonna stand in his way. If he’s just another homeless bat, well, lots of other teams have more room for a guy like that, and some of those teams have pitching prospects.

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Apr 30, 2008 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ha

Never would’ve guessed that would happen

"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."

by MadJimiBrewha on Apr 30, 2008 9:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Only 4 more 2 run shots to go...

"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 30, 2008 9:47 PM CDT reply actions  

at this rate

we’re going to set a record for pitchers batting in a single season (post-1975 or whatever).

McClung is #8, and we’re just getting started!

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 30, 2008 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

holy smokes...

"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 30, 2008 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

So...

Sheets, Bush, Gallardo, Suppan, Villy, Parra, McLung…. who are the other two?

"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 30, 2008 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm tired.

Great. Now I have something in common with Paula Abdul.

"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 30, 2008 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

2006 Nats

Had 25 pitchers bat.

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by TheJay on Apr 30, 2008 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

wow!

that’s astonishing.

And “only” 12 of those started a game.

amazing.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 30, 2008 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

They only used 29 pitchers total

And none of them were position players making a blowout apperance.

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by TheJay on Apr 30, 2008 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Geez

71 pitches in 2 2/3 IP.

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by TheJay on Apr 30, 2008 10:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Marmol?

really?

I guess Lieber worked yesterday, but this game seems to have been tailor-made for a 3-inning save.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 30, 2008 10:13 PM CDT reply actions  

There's T-Bow...

Hope someone told him he’s not getting pulled until he gets 3 outs.

"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 30, 2008 10:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Hank White

I always forget that guy is on the Cubs’ roster.

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by TheJay on Apr 30, 2008 10:14 PM CDT reply actions  

understandable

he’s barely played as much as Rivera has this year.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 30, 2008 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

In former Brewers news

Jenkins went 3 for 4 tonight with 3 singles and a K.

"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."

by MadJimiBrewha on Apr 30, 2008 10:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Letter to Reality

Weeks is Billy Beane without the…(yeah I know)...

...brain

by Lake County on Apr 30, 2008 10:22 PM CDT reply actions  

C'mon Turnbow

Walk in two more runs to make the Pays Big 21 person happy.

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by TheJay on Apr 30, 2008 10:25 PM CDT reply actions  

Only one more

Provided some Brewers guy doesn’t hit a solo HR to ruin it next inning.

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by TheJay on Apr 30, 2008 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

So much for that

Turnbow not only continues to suck, he does it exceedingly in order to rob a poor guy of $10,000!

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by TheJay on Apr 30, 2008 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I feel sorry for the guy

wait, he’s got how many pesos coming?

by ol Pete on Apr 30, 2008 10:27 PM CDT reply actions  

over/under

Turnbow cut or traded within a week

I say he is.

by ol Pete on Apr 30, 2008 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cut maybe... but who would trade anything for him?

Send him home and tell him to enjoy his paychecks.

"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 30, 2008 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

So is this it?

How much more of this do they need to see before they pull the plug on TBow?

This is painful to watch. I really do believe he’s a good guy, but he’s not going to fix whatever is wrong riding the bullpen bench in Milwaukee. It’s ridiculous that he’s on the roster.

"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 30, 2008 10:29 PM CDT reply actions  

No way man.

I’m no Ned fan, but this game is not going to get him canned.

"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 30, 2008 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

They’ve had bad games in the past. Unless it was some huge game with tons riding on it, I doubt anything will happen to him this year.

"Brett Favre looks like a man in a parking lot playing with boys." - John Madden

by kirbir on Apr 30, 2008 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

You'd the think the Ump would expand the zone a bit...

he’s got to want to get the hell out of there too… :)

"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 30, 2008 10:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Only one away from the team record

For most runs allowed in a game, done here and here.

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by TheJay on Apr 30, 2008 10:32 PM CDT reply actions  

fatigue is real. very real.

i would be on the dl with it right now.

actually, i would be on the dl with hip and knee injuries, but i’m still tired! :)

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 30, 2008 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

And yet you can count to 7.

That’s professionalism.

"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 30, 2008 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah

i may be on the dl, but i’m on the bench, stealing signs.

(or hiding some steak in prince’s tofu)

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 30, 2008 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

MEAT.

"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 30, 2008 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sprained ego.

"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 30, 2008 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Inflamed ERA

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Apr 30, 2008 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

One would hope.

I haven’t been this embarrassed for a pitcher since Ankiel melted down. I do remember Plesac having an outing like this when he lost it in Milwaukee, though he resurfaced elsewhere…

"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 30, 2008 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Paging Erasmo Ramirez

Or equivalent not sucking right now AAA reliever.

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by TheJay on Apr 30, 2008 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is Erasmo the opposite of Balfour

you know a “smo” ERA?

(yeah, I know.)

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 30, 2008 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dude.

No.

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Apr 30, 2008 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

More teacher jokes...

and you had to explain this one…

"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 30, 2008 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm never sure what's worse

explaining a joke, or waiting for people to not get it first.

But yet, I keep testing the issue.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 30, 2008 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

How else can you learn?

"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 30, 2008 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

What happened to Turnbow?

Didn’t he used to be good? Like really, really good?

"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball"

by Bump Bailey on Apr 30, 2008 10:33 PM CDT reply actions  

I feel awful for Turnbow after watching that.

For his sake I hope he figures it out. Poor guy.

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on Apr 30, 2008 10:37 PM CDT reply actions  

New Pitcher

43 Wuertz RHP

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on Apr 30, 2008 10:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Hey Jeff

How are Michael Brantley’s defensive #s?

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Apr 30, 2008 10:43 PM CDT reply actions  

they are hidden in a vast morass

of play-by-play and hit location data that is, as yet, unparsed by man.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 30, 2008 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ballgame.

Thankfully.
One of the great things about baseball is you only really have to live with a game like this for a day. In this case, not even that long.

Get ‘em tomorrow maybe.

"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella

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