Game Thread #8: Reds (4-4) at Brewers (6-1)
by Jeff Sackmann
on Apr 9, 2008 3:23 PM CDT
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Josh Fogg versus Dave Bush. Who will be more mediocre?
The JS blog has the lineups. Dusty tinkered a little, with Freel batting second today, while Ned is sticking with last night's secret sauce.
Here are your spreadsheet-tastic predicted results:
- Brewers 5.49
- Reds 4.32
- Brewers Win Expectancy: 64%
Go Brewers!
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its funny
the more mediocre pitcher will probably get the win. At one point Dave Bush was a real up-and-comer. Now he probably belongs in our bullpen. He's still better than fogg though, he of the carreer 91 ERA +.
by Prince 71 on Apr 9, 2008 4:13 PM CDT 0 recs
Dave Bush vs Josh Fogg?
Maybe you have to have four letters in your first and last name to play. Go Bill Hall!
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Apr 9, 2008 4:27 PM CDT 0 recs
If Josh Fogg was on our team
...do you think Ned Yost could resist calling him Foggy?
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on
Apr 9, 2008 6:39 PM CDT
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What kind of question is that?
Of course! I'm still waiting for him to drop a "Gagne-y" or a "Riske-y". "Cameron-y" would by fun too.
by jihad on
Apr 9, 2008 6:41 PM CDT
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Let's brainstorm
Ganny? Gaggy? It's gotta be Cammy for Cameron. I can't even imagine how he could turn Riske into a diminutive.
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on
Apr 9, 2008 6:44 PM CDT
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Cruise?
rimshot
Landing Strip Chin?
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on
Apr 9, 2008 6:46 PM CDT
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Stinky
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on
Apr 9, 2008 6:55 PM CDT
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votto vs. hatteberg
imagine joe dillon getting platooned with prince fielder in prince's rookie season. now dial that outrage down to about 80% of your initial outrage. still pretty upset right?
i understand keeping bruce in the minors till june 1, i can even sorta understand keeping bailey in AAA to work on his control. but why on earth is joey votto the backup first basemen? what is the point of that scenario?
thank you ned/doug! ned has some head-scratchers, but imagine dusty/wayne. i'd be freaking out! seriously.
ZiPS
hatteberg: .261/.348/.374
votto: .281/.357/.466 (bill james projects a .920 ops)
age:
hatteberg: 76 (divided by 2)
votto: 24
club controlled
hatteberg: 1-2 years
votto: 6 years
Bring Back The Old Logo!
by jacob on Apr 9, 2008 4:57 PM CDT 0 recs
In other news...
I just downloaded Juan Nieves' no-hitter game off of iTunes. Pretty cool game- there were a lot more nice catches than I thought there were, like some of Molitor's line drive catches, Jim Paciorek dive towards the beginning of the game, and Sveum's double play ball. It also amazed me that the announcers didn't mention the no hitter once until the last out was recorded. Nowadays, there's at least a passing mention of it, and they usually pan to a shot of the pitcher in the dugout. The closest they came to mentioning it was saying he was "doing a fine job" after 7 innings and saying he's "been very sharp tonight" after 8. You know they were thinking about it though, because as soon as Yount caught the last out, the announcer was yelling about it.
Now it's on to watch game 6 of the 2003 NLCS, and to revel in Cubs pain.
by Stoa on Apr 9, 2008 5:18 PM CDT 0 recs
you can download classic baseball games on iTunes?
by SunglassesAtNight on
Apr 9, 2008 5:36 PM CDT
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Most definitely
Search under "Baseball's Best" They don't have every game, but lots of games that stood out- no-hitters, perfect games, 20K games, postseason games, etc.
by Stoa on
Apr 9, 2008 6:29 PM CDT
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Are these premanent
or rentals?
Ned Yost's Brewers: Braun Over Brains
by SRB on
Apr 9, 2008 7:02 PM CDT
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That Paciorek catch
needs to get more credit! One of the best catches ever.
by iluvlamp on
Apr 9, 2008 5:38 PM CDT
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Huh.
"Mediocre David Bush" is an anagram of "Bad Crime Videos, Duh." Who knew?
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by TheJay on Apr 9, 2008 5:25 PM CDT 0 recs
Did you guys read about how Marxist Empire was an alcoholic?
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on
Apr 9, 2008 6:49 PM CDT
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i still have a problem
with the whole CF-of-the-day in the 2 hole approach. I'd much rather see either JJ or Hart in that spot. Not sold on Cameron, with his high strike out totals, in the spot when he gets back either. I'm sure this has been discussed other places on this site, but what are people's thoughts? am i the only one that doesn't like this? it's hard to argue when we're 6-1, but i'd still much rather see the top of our order more closely resemble last years, with JJ-Braun-Prine at 2-3-4
by SunglassesAtNight on Apr 9, 2008 5:46 PM CDT 0 recs
your argument makes sense
the other side is that Cameron takes a lot of pitches and runs well. Maybe he'll trend toward fewer SOs as well. How was he in ST?
Another good thing in general is that the whole lineup can cause damage. Imagine the other team's pitcher: his "easy" batters are the likes of Corey, JJ and Jason Kendall.
by ol Pete on
Apr 9, 2008 5:52 PM CDT
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Taking pitches
I think the idea is that he's going to give Weeks plenty of opportunities to run. He walks a lot, so the strikeouts don't bug me.
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on
Apr 9, 2008 6:24 PM CDT
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i agree
I think that's the logic, i'm just not sure how much I like it - especially with Kendall batting 9. Fortunately he's been playing well in that spot, but I don't like the idea of having a guy with such a high number of strikeouts essentially batting 3rd. Once Kendall cools down, I could see many innings ending wih a Mike Cameron strickout only to have Prince leading off the next inning. I don't like that thought. I would much rather see someone in that spot who will at least put the ball in play and advance runners that way. I also think having cameron's agressiveness on the base pads behind our heavy hitters would do us more good than in front.
by SunglassesAtNight on
Apr 9, 2008 6:33 PM CDT
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Well...
I still don't mind him there, even if you look at him as the "second #3 hitter"; he's got some pop. If strikeouts at the top of the order bother you, you probably aren't happy about Weeks leading off, either, huh?
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on
Apr 9, 2008 6:37 PM CDT
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not as much
he's primed for a big year, however, his strikeouts are part of the reason i don't like having cameron there. i don't like the idea of those strikeout machines back-to-back in the order
by SunglassesAtNight on
Apr 9, 2008 6:41 PM CDT
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One problem with reading and scrolling at the same time
"he's got some pop" looks like "he's got some poop"
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on
Apr 9, 2008 6:56 PM CDT
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I'm going over to the Pirates blog until the Brewers game starts
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on Apr 9, 2008 6:14 PM CDT 0 recs
Hoppin' joint they got over there
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on
Apr 9, 2008 6:20 PM CDT
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Hey, bring back a coke, will ya?
And a pierogie.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on
Apr 9, 2008 6:20 PM CDT
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What are those sandwiches they have
With the cole slaw and fries all mashed in with the meat?
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on
Apr 9, 2008 6:21 PM CDT
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hmmm...
Fogg looks worse than Bush. Could be a lot of runs tonight. Who thinks Bush makes it to the 6th?
by ol Pete on Apr 9, 2008 6:57 PM CDT 0 recs
To? Sure. Through? Eh...
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on
Apr 9, 2008 6:58 PM CDT
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"That's exactly what Ryan Freel will give you"
"Had that ball hit second base, he woulda been out."
Way to support your thesis, Rock.
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on Apr 9, 2008 7:08 PM CDT 0 recs
Uecker Overstatement of the Innings
"David Bush is a change of speed artist."
by Matt L on Apr 9, 2008 7:10 PM CDT 0 recs
Suppan is jealous
He can't throw that hard.
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on
Apr 9, 2008 7:13 PM CDT
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Bush comes back from 3-0 to K Griffey
Knock 'em out the box, Dave.
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on Apr 9, 2008 7:11 PM CDT 0 recs
Me too
Kendall needs a favorable umpire on a pitchout. :)
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by TheJay on
Apr 9, 2008 7:13 PM CDT
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Confirmation bias
When are the Reds ever going to lose their rep as sluggardly sluggers? ATTN MSM: They really aren't that good abat.
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on Apr 9, 2008 7:15 PM CDT 0 recs
errors
Len and Bob - Cubs have most
Bill and Brian - Brewers have fewest
by ol Pete on Apr 9, 2008 7:15 PM CDT 0 recs
Len and Bob spent five minutes earlier talking about Memphis' FT shooting
They like to accentuate the negatives.
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on
Apr 9, 2008 7:16 PM CDT
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Weird
Pittsburgh led MLB in errors coming into today.
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by TheJay on
Apr 9, 2008 7:17 PM CDT
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Why can't we put
that dumb picnic area in center?!
Ned Yost's Brewers: Braun Over Brains
by SRB on Apr 9, 2008 7:17 PM CDT 0 recs
and left
"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."
by MadJimiBrewha on
Apr 9, 2008 7:17 PM CDT
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They should just move the fences in and out
Depending on which team is batting. Just because Bill Veeck couldn't get away with it doesn't mean Mark A can't.
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by TheJay on
Apr 9, 2008 7:18 PM CDT
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Or even better
Put a couple large crocodiles on the warning track during the home half of the inning.
by Matt L on
Apr 9, 2008 7:20 PM CDT
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Miller Park
needs a Beer Moat
Ned Yost's Brewers: Braun Over Brains
by SRB on
Apr 9, 2008 7:21 PM CDT
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i grilled a steak. mmmm.
(i promise to get back on topic, now...)
by Jamie in LA on Apr 9, 2008 7:18 PM CDT 0 recs
But did you stuff it with cabbage and potatoes?
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on
Apr 9, 2008 7:19 PM CDT
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Promising start to the inning
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on Apr 9, 2008 7:24 PM CDT 0 recs
walkin that guy just doesn't seem that bad usually
but with no outs... c'mon D, make those outs into outs
by ol Pete on
Apr 9, 2008 7:25 PM CDT
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Jeezus
Bush is godawful
Lordz Of Vengeance....Sometimes I drink...Okay...I drink most of the time.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Apr 9, 2008 7:25 PM CDT 0 recs
Kendall's release seems really quick
Unfortunately, so is Brandon Phillips.
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on Apr 9, 2008 7:26 PM CDT 0 recs
Putting lotion on his hands
...because the ball is slipping off his fingertips? I don't get it.
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on Apr 9, 2008 7:28 PM CDT 0 recs
add to the long list of worthless reasons to like him
he doesn't make excuses. Based on the support from Ned and Zappa, I could pitch for the team if I didn't get flustered, studied hard and didn't make excuses. I might even be able to work up to 69mph...
by ol Pete on
Apr 9, 2008 7:32 PM CDT
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That was a bit of a clusterfvck
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on Apr 9, 2008 7:29 PM CDT 0 recs
What was Weeks doing getting in Hart's way on that anyway?
That has to be the outfielder's ball all the way, doesn't it? Momentum going toward home and all?
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on
Apr 9, 2008 7:30 PM CDT
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Ok guys
The key to success for Bush this inning is to limit them to maybe 1 or 2 runs. You don't want to get that big 4- or 5-run inning.
Thanks Bill...
Ichiro, on facing Daisuke Matsuzaka for the first time: "I hope he arouses the fire that's dormant in the innermost recesses of my soul."
by DaleCoop14 on Apr 9, 2008 7:29 PM CDT 0 recs
COME ON
catch the fucking ball Kendall
Lordz Of Vengeance....Sometimes I drink...Okay...I drink most of the time.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Apr 9, 2008 7:29 PM CDT 0 recs
Damn
I'm only hearing this, was that Hart's fault or Kendall's?
Ned Yost's Brewers: Braun Over Brains
by SRB on Apr 9, 2008 7:29 PM CDT 0 recs
Both
Terrible throw by Hart but Kendall should have blocked it.
by brew82 on
Apr 9, 2008 7:30 PM CDT
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Hart's mostly
But like I said above, Weeks didn't help by going so far out into RF.
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on
Apr 9, 2008 7:30 PM CDT
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looked like a good enough throw to me
but Bill is dissin the throw. Someone in the stands must have some kryptonite.
by ol Pete on
Apr 9, 2008 7:30 PM CDT
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It was weak and up the line
It's not like he was near the wall or anything.
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on
Apr 9, 2008 7:31 PM CDT
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Well, up the line into the runner's path
It's not like Kendall can just dive for the ball right into Phillips, which is what he practically had to do.
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on
Apr 9, 2008 7:34 PM CDT
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you could be right
I'd have to see it again, but hey let the scoring begin
by ol Pete on
Apr 9, 2008 7:35 PM CDT
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My vote goes to Kendall
although Corey didn't look all that inspired
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by Dikembe Meiztombo on
Apr 9, 2008 7:30 PM CDT
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That was a pretty shallow fly
for it to bounce 2 or 3 times and that far up the line
by throughhyperspace on
Apr 9, 2008 7:32 PM CDT
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