Game Thread #44: Brewers (NSFW) at Red Sox (26-19)
by Jeff Sackmann on May 18, 2008 11:00 AM CDT
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The matchup is Carlos Villanueva and Josh Beckett. No, that's not lopsided at all!
Here's the BR Game Preview. Fun fact of the day: In 14 PAs, David Ortiz has a 2.615 OPS against Seth McClung, including three homers in consecutive at-bats against him. Wow. Bring on DiFelice!
Game time is 12:35 CT.
Go Brewers!
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Did you not post the win expectancy just to keep us all of the ledge for one more day :)
Mendoza (Uecker) Watch: Cameron .182, Weeks .190, Hall .197
by molitorfan on May 18, 2008 11:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ha
i haven’t been posting winexp for a while, but this one would be particularly depressing.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on May 18, 2008 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beckett, eh?
Let’s send out the sunday lineup on this one. Cameron, Weeks and Hall aren’t going to have a lot of fun out there.
by Marty McSuperFly on May 18, 2008 11:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Brewers record
I see Jeff is trying to increase site traffic with today’s Brewers’ record. Imagine some poor teenager doing his first Google search for NSFW and ending up here!
Mendoza (Uecker) Watch: Cameron .182, Weeks .190, Hall .197
by molitorfan on May 18, 2008 11:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Today's lineup, now with 3 lead-off batters!
Starting with Kendall in the 8
weeks
cameron
braun
fielder
hart
hardy
hall
kendall
gwynn DH
by Marty McSuperFly on May 18, 2008 11:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Project-o-tron says tune in to this one
as Josh Beckett sets the new single game strikeout record.
by Marty McSuperFly on May 18, 2008 11:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
mlb.tv alert!
The Cle/Cin feed is going to have an interview with Dusty Baker in a couple minutes, perhaps with bonus footage of Dusty stomping on Edinson Volquez’s shoulder as he sleeps!
by Marty McSuperFly on May 18, 2008 12:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yikes
Beckett’s getting some room low. That’s bad news for Brewers hitters.
by Marty McSuperFly on May 18, 2008 12:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cameron double
The Brewers aren’t going to give him the K record…he’ll have to earn it.
by Marty McSuperFly on May 18, 2008 12:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Braun
on fire. Finally a good start to a game!
Mendoza (Uecker) Watch: Cameron .182, Weeks .190, Hall .197
by molitorfan on May 18, 2008 12:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That Braun guy might turn into something
2 run no-doubter
by Marty McSuperFly on May 18, 2008 12:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Holy Crap!
A lead. How long before Villy destroys the good feelings I have right now.
by SgtClueLs on May 18, 2008 12:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
c'mon now
we need a few minutes of postivitiy
by ol Pete on May 18, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My baseball heart
But my baseball heart is broken, so I’m lashing out like after finding out your womans been fooling around on you.
by SgtClueLs on May 18, 2008 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you feel that reconciliation is possible?
by ol Pete on May 18, 2008 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends...
We’ll have to have a heart to heart though. The Brewers never take me out anymore, and they never buy me flowers. When’s the last time they told me that they love me?
by SgtClueLs on May 18, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we just clone seven more Ryan Brauns?
by warwick5s on May 18, 2008 12:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
we already tried it with LaPorta
Mendoza (Uecker) Watch: Cameron .182, Weeks .190, Hall .197
by molitorfan on May 18, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We could try
But Jeff Suppan would probably appear in several commercials calling for a ban.
by Marty McSuperFly on May 18, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rickie's revenge
Stealing a hit to start the inning
by Marty McSuperFly on May 18, 2008 12:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Weirdest thing I've heard today
Ortiz lives in the Appleton area.
by Marty McSuperFly on May 18, 2008 12:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yes
I think he is a Packers fan also
Mendoza (Uecker) Watch: Weeks .189, Cameron .194, Hall .197
by molitorfan on May 18, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Traitor
Mendoza (Uecker) Watch: Weeks .189, Cameron .194, Hall .197
by molitorfan on May 18, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i heard he played on the timberattlers
"Cubs fans boo again – 99% of these people can’t see the plate." -Ueck
by dux2bux on May 18, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
Played the whole season in 1996.
I think it’s weird because I grew up there, and can’t stand the idea of actually living there :)
by Marty McSuperFly on May 18, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn Papi
Mendoza (Uecker) Watch: Weeks .189, Cameron .194, Hall .197
by molitorfan on May 18, 2008 12:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Crazy idea
Brewers could try a pick off at second once or twice a season.
by ol Pete on May 18, 2008 12:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They did get him
Makeup call for hall yesterday
by Marty McSuperFly on May 18, 2008 12:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Overhand throw
could have doubled off Ortiz
Mendoza (Uecker) Watch: Weeks .189, Cameron .194, Hall .197
by molitorfan on May 18, 2008 12:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Die, Coshun
Cover the game, assholes.
by Marty McSuperFly on May 18, 2008 1:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nope
Ok on UVerse. But I don’t get FSN HD so I’m bitter about the TBS-HD black out.
by SgtClueLs on May 18, 2008 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do have FSN HD, and it's fine
Beckett’s K record is on track
by Marty McSuperFly on May 18, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TBS
defending Ned last inning.
Mendoza (Uecker) Watch: Weeks .189, Cameron .194, Hall .197
by molitorfan on May 18, 2008 1:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
about him being on the hot seat
only they called it “spotlight” and refuse to call it hot seat. Of course one point they brought up was the 24 news cycle and blogs. So I guess it’s our fault the Brewers have underperformed so far this year.
Mendoza (Uecker) Watch: Weeks .189, Cameron .194, Hall .197
by molitorfan on May 18, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose
I’m no huge Yost fan, but it’s really not fair to give him all of the blame for 2008 so far. Some has to go to the players, some to the GM (too many righties?), and just some bad luck (Yo).
by Lake County on May 18, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking from a position of authority
As an anonymous, hate-filled Internet blogger from firenedyost.com: None of this season has been Yost’s fault.
by Marty McSuperFly on May 18, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
he hasn’t been bad this year outside of his quotes and interviews. My signature has more to do with the Crew’s slow start.
Mendoza (Uecker) Watch: Weeks .189, Cameron .191, Hall .196
by molitorfan on May 18, 2008 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check out the head on that guy
Next to Mark A.
Too funny
by Lake County on May 18, 2008 1:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
TBS
Thanks for the heads up on the TBS broadcast. RD is pretty good.
by Lake County on May 18, 2008 1:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
it is cool
to get the “national” take on the Brewers so I like having the games on ESPN and TBS every once in a while.
Mendoza (Uecker) Watch: Weeks .189, Cameron .194, Hall .197
by molitorfan on May 18, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rickie
caught stealing. Where have I seen that before?
Mendoza (Uecker) Watch: Weeks .189, Cameron .194, Hall .197
by molitorfan on May 18, 2008 1:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Come on..
How many times are we going to try to be overly aggressive on the pads?
by SgtClueLs on May 18, 2008 1:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Clear the bases
We just don’t want Rickie clogging up the bases when Braun is at bat. Like that kids any good…
by SgtClueLs on May 18, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
Guess it doesn’t matter if Cameron’s going to whiff, anyway
by Marty McSuperFly on May 18, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bye bye lead
Mendoza (Uecker) Watch: Weeks .189, Cameron .191, Hall .196
by molitorfan on May 18, 2008 1:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't be silly
he’s more like 5’1”
Whenever prince is at first, he should charge the mound and yell "MEAT!"
by Jordan M on May 18, 2008 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't Pedroia win RoY last year, too?
2 RoYs with home runs today
by Marty McSuperFly on May 18, 2008 1:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ouch
Villy having a little trouble
by Marty McSuperFly on May 18, 2008 1:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
sweet
Lordz Of Vengeance....Just Win, Baby.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 18, 2008 1:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hello deficit
Mendoza (Uecker) Watch: Weeks .189, Cameron .191, Hall .196
by molitorfan on May 18, 2008 1:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How many frakin' HRS can our starters give up
by Flag Up on May 18, 2008 1:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pi, probably
Whenever prince is at first, he should charge the mound and yell "MEAT!"
by Jordan M on May 18, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Losing is fucking awesome.
I forgot what it felt like. Thanks for the reminder, 2008 Brewers.
Lordz Of Vengeance....Just Win, Baby.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 18, 2008 1:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not too bad
Villy got hit hard, but they only have 3 runs.
by Marty McSuperFly on May 18, 2008 1:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Are you serious?
Lordz Of Vengeance....Just Win, Baby.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 18, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
Down 1 run, that’s practically a win for the Brewers this year.
by Marty McSuperFly on May 18, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
attaway JJ!
and nice job by Corey getting on and extending the inning
Can't pitch Gagne in rain. He’s like the B-2 bomber of baseball.--TheJay
by verno329 on May 18, 2008 1:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
does hall have minor league options left?
sigh…
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That
was a smash!
Mendoza (Uecker) Watch: Weeks .189, Cameron .191, Hall .196
by molitorfan on May 18, 2008 1:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow!
Fielder will actually be charged an error!
by Marty McSuperFly on May 18, 2008 1:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Offft
Walking the bases loaded isn’t cool. Error could be costly.
by SgtClueLs on May 18, 2008 1:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Did Kendall call for that curve at 3-2?
If so, I will dispute his “calling a good game” reputation.
by Marty McSuperFly on May 18, 2008 1:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I didn't notice
Who is warming up? Anyone?
by Marty McSuperFly on May 18, 2008 1:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
DiFelice
"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."
by MadJimiBrewha on May 18, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
mclung as well
"Cubs fans boo again – 99% of these people can’t see the plate." -Ueck
by dux2bux on May 18, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
difelce and someone else
"Cubs fans boo again – 99% of these people can’t see the plate." -Ueck
by dux2bux on May 18, 2008 1:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
man
If you can’t get Varitek and Crisp, it’s time to sit down
by Marty McSuperFly on May 18, 2008 1:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
breaks my heart
Nice k, there.
by Marty McSuperFly on May 18, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
K
"Cubs fans boo again – 99% of these people can’t see the plate." -Ueck
by dux2bux on May 18, 2008 1:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
he needed that K
now a quick DP
Can't pitch Gagne in rain. He’s like the B-2 bomber of baseball.--TheJay
by verno329 on May 18, 2008 1:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
National League should secede
unless interleague play is cancelled
by Marty McSuperFly on May 18, 2008 2:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What is the thinking in leaving him in?
Other pitchers not warm yet?
by ol Pete on May 18, 2008 2:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice work on that SB attempt
TBS set that up pretty good
by Lake County on May 18, 2008 2:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
too bad i'm with fsn
tbs blackout where i am
"If there is a more reactionary blog with idiotic commentary out there I'd be surprised." -On Bleed Cubbie Blue
by Michael M on May 18, 2008 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's a shame
You’re probably not repeatedly hearing about Midwest Airlines and all the little extras, like chocolate chip cookies, baked on-board.
by Marty McSuperFly on May 18, 2008 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And how they couldn't get my 8 PM flight from Toronto
off the ground until after 2 AM?
by Lake County on May 18, 2008 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i love that guy who is sitting in the seat
he looks so strange lol
for the record, i never thought their cookies tasted good.
"If there is a more reactionary blog with idiotic commentary out there I'd be surprised." -On Bleed Cubbie Blue
by Michael M on May 18, 2008 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know judge...
My dad…never liked you
by Lake County on May 18, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Craig Coshun
I’m glad I tuned in to hear him inform me Tony Gwynn is Tony Gwynn Jr.’s dad.
Obscure baseball records and more at my blog, Recondite Baseball.
by TheJay on May 18, 2008 2:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't like to make fun of good bloggers
but the most obvious thing I read today was that Rich Harden’s K-rate makes him hard to hit.
by Marty McSuperFly on May 18, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reds are winning
If the Brewers take sole possession of the basement today, there’s gonna be a lot of hissy fits in the press room
by Marty McSuperFly on May 18, 2008 2:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
not sneaky enough, i'd say
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on May 18, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats not the start DiFelice was looking for
Can't pitch Gagne in rain. He’s like the B-2 bomber of baseball.--TheJay
by verno329 on May 18, 2008 2:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
sucks to be difelice
there’s a big difference between the PCL and the Red Sox.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on May 18, 2008 2:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Audio is getting really choppy
I think FSN HD is telling me to find something better to do
by Marty McSuperFly on May 18, 2008 2:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Team I'm facing in Fantasy has Papi and Pedroia... I was up 4hrs and 3 runs.
by Flag Up on May 18, 2008 2:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My entire offense is in a 3 week slump. I hate fantasy baseball.
Lordz Of Vengeance....Just Win, Baby.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 18, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
did you try picking up rickie weeks?
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on May 18, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bastard.
I’m glad you made me dump him.
Lordz Of Vengeance....Just Win, Baby.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 18, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great I started Gomez and Victorino and my dumbass didn't check to see if they were in the lineup.
Ofcourse their not. and I’m only up 1 SB. Figured I was safe up 4 in the HR Cat. Sigh.
by Flag Up on May 18, 2008 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope game 7 between the Cavs and Boston is better than this.
by Flag Up on May 18, 2008 2:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It will be. It has to be.
Lordz Of Vengeance....Just Win, Baby.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 18, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Youkilis looks like:
A – a white supremacist
B – a biker
C – a prison inmate
D – all of the above
by ol Pete on May 18, 2008 2:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
D?
Lordz Of Vengeance....Just Win, Baby.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 18, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
even apart from wanting the brewers to win
I really want difelice to succeed.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on May 18, 2008 2:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Me too.
He's the round mound of profound
by drezdn on May 18, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blah
I’m no longer placing any hope in any minor league pitchers ever (Except for Will Inman)
He's the round mound of profound
by drezdn on May 18, 2008 2:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If DiFelice is long relief
Is McClung the new Riske? Or is McClung going to be given a shot to start?
He's the round mound of profound
by drezdn on May 18, 2008 2:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
it's a good thing we locked braun up
because braun + fenway seems like a nice fit, and the sox could probably outbid us :).
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on May 18, 2008 2:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Watching Braun heat up
has to frustrate Fielder all the more
"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."
by MadJimiBrewha on May 18, 2008 2:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and as I say that....
"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."
by MadJimiBrewha on May 18, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hart
Must be frustrating for Hart right? RIGHT?
by SgtClueLs on May 18, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah...say something like that the next time Braun homers too please
good luck charm:)
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think if i was into fantasy baseball...
...I would want this Braun kid on my team.
I sure am glad he’s on my “real team”
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2008 2:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
nice to see those 2 hit back to back
"If there is a more reactionary blog with idiotic commentary out there I'd be surprised." -On Bleed Cubbie Blue
by Michael M on May 18, 2008 2:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is it too much to ask for our first
back to back to back homers of the season?
"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."
by MadJimiBrewha on May 18, 2008 2:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
going to attempt...
...to go to a bar now to see a bunch of the rest of the game.
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2008 2:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
now we’re losing runs!
He's the round mound of profound
by drezdn on May 18, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rock
“Lucky Brian Shouse isn’t dead.”
Obscure baseball records and more at my blog, Recondite Baseball.
by TheJay on May 18, 2008 2:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
At this point
If they comeback, the loge seats will be very cheap.
He's the round mound of profound
by drezdn on May 18, 2008 2:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well that kind of settles it...
and by a work release inmate no less
by ol Pete on May 18, 2008 3:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure I can take 4 more months of this.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2008 3:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
there’ll be some sort of drama in the meanwhile
by ol Pete on May 18, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at the bright side
Since we’ll probably lose a fair amount of our fan base, tickets will be a lot easier to get. And going to week day games and moving down to better seats will be easier.
With that said, I haven’t turned off a game early all year. But this might be the first time this year.
by SgtClueLs on May 18, 2008 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The cheap tickets are how I’m able to root for the Bucks.
He's the round mound of profound
by drezdn on May 18, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Braun's next AB
Now that the Red Sox have the game in hand Ryan Braun better hang loose in his AB in the 8th inning. I don’t think the Sox appreciated the way he flipped his bat on his HR.
by statsllc on May 18, 2008 3:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
lets go braun
"Cubs fans boo again – 99% of these people can’t see the plate." -Ueck
by dux2bux on May 18, 2008 3:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This guy is throwing some gas
"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."
by MadJimiBrewha on May 18, 2008 3:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice to see Braun able to lay off some of these pitches
"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."
by MadJimiBrewha on May 18, 2008 3:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ueck says why not another
"Cubs fans boo again – 99% of these people can’t see the plate." -Ueck
by dux2bux on May 18, 2008 3:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Must be frustrating for Fielder
to see Braun get another RBI
"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."
by MadJimiBrewha on May 18, 2008 3:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Damn
I had to try
"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."
by MadJimiBrewha on May 18, 2008 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how long before braun becomes the leader of the team?
"Cubs fans boo again – 99% of these people can’t see the plate." -Ueck
by dux2bux on May 18, 2008 3:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
At the very least...
He probably thinks he can.
He's the round mound of profound
by drezdn on May 18, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i was watching the game on FSN wisconsin
...out in California…go figure.
I don’t know why they kept going back to that camera. That was atrocious
Zach Jackson’s first two pitches were freaking amazing though. And after that within that inning he was pretty good too.
After the Brewers’ AB, I had to come back to work though.
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2008 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Game day screwing up...
J Hardy grounds into force out, J. Hardy to 1st. One out. (video link to Braun’s 2nd homer)
so…what’s going on?
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2008 3:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gwynn's strikeout in the 7th...
...was pretty embarrassing. Caught looking on a pitch right down the pipe.
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2008 3:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm beginning to think...
...some heads on the coaching or management staff need to start rolling. It is embarrassing to be as far behind in the NL Central. I know coaches don’t play the game and it’s the players that need to improve, but at this stage something significant needs to be done so the players start having faith in themselves.
Candidates for removal:
Maddox
Yost
Sveum
the bats are starting to come around – maybe – so I’ve laid off the hitting coach. It still seems to be homerun or bust there though.
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2008 4:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's my wild prediction
Melvin makes a big trade involving a couple of the players that the fans are down on (candidates being Hall or Weeks) in order to give the impression that something is being done. It’s a tough sell to get rid of Yost or Sveum, and it’s not like the starting pitchers have underperformed, so Maddux is probably fine. The real problem is Melvin’s lack of production on the free agent and trade markets, and his refusal to deal with teams that he perceives as lowballing him has left the bullpen high and dry this year.
Short version – Hall or Weeks plus Gwynn for someone’s setup guy.
by Marty McSuperFly on May 18, 2008 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The starting pitching hasn't underperformed?
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on May 18, 2008 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on what you expected
If you thought that Sheets and Gallardo were their best pitchers, and that Capuano, Bush, Parra and Villanueva were a bunch of back-of-the-rotation guys duking it out for the 3-5 spots, then yeah, they haven’t underperformed. Oh yeah, and that Suppan is a bad pitcher that we’re stuck with.
Don’t get me wrong, the pitching has been bad overall, from both the pen and the rotation, but I think expectations were a lot higher for the pitchers than were warranted. I count myself among the group with too-high expectations with regard to Villanueva.
by Marty McSuperFly on May 18, 2008 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I expected more (too much?) out of both Parra and Villy.
What we’ve gotten from Suppan and Bush hasn’t surprised me.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2008 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Parra's been OK
I guess I give the younger guy a little more rope to get comfortable. Villy pitched so well at times last year that I thought he’d come right in and deliver 6-7 solid innings every time. I really had my hopes pegged on Sheets, Gallardo and Villy, and then maybe we’d get lucky often enough in the other 2 spots to have some good runs. Now, it’s basically down to Sheets, and hope that Parra settles in a lot faster.
by Marty McSuperFly on May 18, 2008 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why I said I expected too much from Parra.
I didn’t factor in his inexperience and the likelihood that it could take much if not all of this year for him to settle in to the big leagues and start pitching to his potential.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2008 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
I hope not. This is NOT a team that’s a set-up guy away from turning it around.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2008 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I hope not
I’m just cynical enough to think that their record is now so bad that something will need to be done, and usually things that are done for the sake of doing something are pretty dumb.
by Marty McSuperFly on May 18, 2008 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if that something is canning Yost?
I get the argument that he’s not the cause of the losing so far this year. Last year many, many losses seemed tied directly to one decision in which Yost asked a player to do something they didn’t appear to be capable of. This year it seems caused by the widespread and simultaneous underperformance of a bunch of players, not to mention the injury to Gallardo and the lack of qualitiy starting pitching, much of which is more easily tied to Melvin than it is to Yost. But I still think, perhaps naively, that the widespread underperformance of a team can be pinned back to the manager. I wonder if the clubhouse here is conducive to players, particularly young ones, playing up to their potential, and if not, I think that’s Ned’s fault. But even if that isn’t true, I’m still convinced after last year that Yost should go. If he gets canned for other reasons, I don’t much care.
Of course, I haven’t seen ANYTHING to suggest that Melvin is questioning Yost’s abilities, so I don’t really think a move along these lines will happen. I do wonder what Melvin is thinking. I wonder what Attanasio is thinking. The plan for this franchise has essentially been pointing to 2007-2008 for several years, only to see a collapse last season and a burgeoning train wreck this spring. Based on his business history I think there’s a pretty good chance this management team isn’t back next year if this slide below mediocrity continues throughout the season.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2008 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm down for that :)
I have no idea what’s going on in the clubhouse, so I definitely won’t go anywhere near blaming Yost for this season, since the games haven’t been lost with misguided strategery. However, given his past performance, and that I think his worst faults are both uncorrectable AND hurt the team (arrogance, pettiness, stubbornness and combativeness), I wouldn’t raise any objections if those with access to the clubhouse determined that he was the problem and sent him on his way.
I don’t think firing the manager is enough, though. The bullpen really is awful, and the starting pitching is nothing to get excited over.
by Marty McSuperFly on May 18, 2008 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I know. *Sigh.*
“I don’t think firing the manager is enough, though. The bullpen really is awful, and the starting pitching is nothing to get excited over.”
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2008 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how is the bullpen awful?
Subtract Turnbow’s craptacular 6.1 IP (almost all in near-zero leverage situations), and the bullpen ERA is 4.03 on the year…sure, nothing to write home about, especially given the price tag, but hardly what I’d call awful. Other than Gagne being miscast as a guy who can still close games successfully (any better than every other ML-capable reliever would, that is), I don’t see how the bullpen ought to be a major point of concern at this point.
by Zeyes on May 19, 2008 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder what Jeffrey Hammonds is doing.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on May 18, 2008 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
speaking of Jeffrey Hammonds
I once got to take in an inning of a game at Miller Park from his personal sky box
The lady who was the attendant for the sky box my wifes firm had snuck us in there one game and we hung out for an inning before going back to our box
I do not believe any of the current Brewers have their own sky box but I may be wrong.
Its all about the Bullpen this season that is the key.
by WSB Chris on May 18, 2008 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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NL Central Standings
| W | L | PCT | GB | STRK | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
St. Louis
|
91 | 71 | .561 | 0 | Lost 6 |
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Chicago
|
83 | 78 | .515 | 7.5 | Lost 1 |
|
Milwaukee
|
80 | 82 | .493 | 11 | Won 3 |
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Cincinnati
|
78 | 84 | .481 | 13 | Won 2 |
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Houston
|
74 | 88 | .456 | 17 | Lost 3 |
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Pittsburgh
|
62 | 99 | .385 | 28.5 | Lost 2 |
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