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The Firing That Wasn't

Well, Monday comes to a close, and despite all of the rumors --- well, rumor --- Ned Yost still seems to be employed as the head coach of your Milwaukee Brewers.  Whether or not he should be fired (he should) and if it will happen later this week (it should) is beside the point.  I wanted to mention the source of the rumor and our good friend Tom Haudricourt at the JS Blogs.

The Badger Blogger

The Badger Blogger seems to be a not-so-widely read, right-wingy little blog that threatens to cover "Wisconsin the way the media won't, covering the media the way they fear!"  (Perhaps it's the fanged, rabid badger on the home page that the media fear.  Seriously, it's a little creepy.) How little?  Well, let's check the ol' site traffic for the week:

 

For example, Monday's traffic was ten times that of Sunday's, and more than five times the highest for the previous week.  (By comparison, BCB is averaging about 1200+.  eBay, watch out!)  So it's not a Major Source for Brewers News (TM) --- far from it.  And what of the news they broke?

Source: Ned Yost to be relieved of his duties Monday

While BadgerBlogger can not independently confirm this, sources close to the Milwaukee Brewers organization tell BadgerBlogger late this evening, in the midst of another horrid road trip, and on the heels of a sweep by the Boston Red Sox, that Brewers manager Ned Yost will be relieved of his duties during the team’s off day Monday, and replaced on an "interim" basis by team bench coach Ted Simmons.

"Sources close" to the Brewers that cannot be "independently confirmed"?  I hope Bob Costas isn't reading this.  The only good thing I can say about it is the plug for Marty's FireNedYost site.

But hey, I don't really have a problem with Badger Blogger, content notwithstanding.  It doesn't have to be abcnews.com if it doesn't want to be.  What disappointed me was the Journal Sentinel coverage of this breaking non-story.

The Journal Sentinel Blogs

Early this morning, Tom Haudricourt "broke" the Badger Blogger story, admittedly half-heartedly.

Boston - Somebody named the "Badger Blogger," who I am told does mainly political postings (I must admit I'm not familiar with the site) posted a blog late Sunday night claiming manager Ned Yost will be relieved of his duties on the team's off day in Pittsburgh today.

The blog said it could not "independently confirm" the information but said sources close to the Brewers' organization said Yost would be fired today and replaced by bench coach Ted Simmons.

Three hours later, he shoots down his own report.

I just got off a flight from Boston and contacted a very reliable club source who told me he knows nothing about any plans to dismiss manager Ned Yost, as posted late last evening by "Badger Blogger," whatever that is.

The club source told me that he would be aware if any plans were in the works to change managers today, an off day for the Brewers in Pittsburgh.

He adds this kicker, which is the best part of the post:

It could be a totally irresponsible posting by "Badger Blogger," which as I've stated many times is a real danger of the Internet.

The irony, of course, is that when this story was flying around the Intertubes, it was the JS Blogs posting that spurred it on --- Yahoo!, AOL (hey, AOL still exists!), Deadspin, plus all the local news affiliates, it looks like they're referring to the Journal Sentinel blogs (like I often do on here). Tom, I've met the danger of the Internet, and it is you.

When you're the Badger Blogger, you don't need credible sources --- as far as anyone cares, the reliable source could be your David Archuleta singing bobblehead.  You're the Badger Blogger, for Ol Pete's sake.  You have a snarling drooling badger on your home page.  If you're right, and Yost is fired this week (if not today), then your story pans out, and maybe you're taken a little more seriously; if it doesn't, I don't think a lot of people will remember 2 weeks from now.  How it pans out affects the site's credibility, but for a site that is mostly made up of opinions, reporting a rumor is fine with me.

When you're the JS, though, even on the blog page, mentioning a rumor like this is putting some weight behind it.

Tom figured it out by 3:30 this afternoon:

Melvin was aware that a blogger had posted a supposed news scoop late Sunday night claiming he had a source that told him the Brewers were going to fire Yost today. And Melvin said any radio station or TV station or newspaper that responded to a blog site as a news source -- and that includes me because I did so today -- should seriously question themselves.

I know, the blogs are a scary place, and when blogs mix it up with the mainstream media, anything could happen!  Just the same, if you claim to report the news, basic journalism principles apply, whether you're a blog, a newspaper, or a newspaper's blog.  I think Tom is still figuring this stuff out, and he was smart (and honest) enough to put forth an apology, of sorts. 

Still, he should know better --- and probably be a little more careful with his posts in the future.

As a thank you for reading all the way through, here's another rumor for you: it looks like any hopes of signing Corey Hart or Prince Fielder to a Braun-like contract have fizzled .

 

 

[edit: frontpaged and re-published, originally posted May 20, 2008 01:14 AM -jacob]

 

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Nice writeup

Of course, by virtue of having the domain name, we had a higher-than-usual number of hits yesterday, too (I think it was 2800ish). Someone should figure out a way to make money off this Internet thing. I should note that yesterday Badger Blogger had a post on the evils of Obama speaking out against SUVs and wasting energy by keeping your house too warm….it’s not likely that greater exposure to their writing helped them any. That’s a pretty targeted demographic they’re looking for.

I agree that Haudricourt took the worst damage in this scrum. He never really found a comfort zone in relating a scoop from a little-known blog, and then when it turned out to be nothing he tried to dump it all back into a general “blogs are evil” post. It was the hypocrisy in Tom’s handling of the whole thing that set me off.

by Marty McSuperFly on May 20, 2008 5:43 AM CDT   1 recs

Poor Tom

After watching the Costas Now! episode, I came away wondering if the majority of those 50 or older (including smart people like Bob Costas, who may look like 12 but is actually 56) really don’t understand what blogs are and how they function, when it seems a lot more obvious to us. Maybe it’s a product of growing up with computers. (For example, my Dad, who is pretty up on most things, just got his own email address last week.)

I get the same feeling with Tom Haudricourt, be it the chats, mailbags, or the blog. I just don’t think he understands how the whole Intertubes thing works, or how being a JS representative for Intertube matters requires extra caution. Sometimes I wonder if he even wants to do the online reporting, or if it were thrust upon him. I hope for the former, because it’d be cool to be the JS’s online contact for all things Brewers. I don’t get the feeling that he sees what a gift it is.

What saddens me a little is that Tom doesn’t seem to be a regular BCB reader, as I don’t remember any blog posts about Carlos Villanueva getting hurt or Rickie Weeks being sent down a couple of weeks ago, after I spent all that time making those stories up. Tom, where’s the love? Or at least, where’s the gullibility? :)

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on May 20, 2008 7:48 AM CDT to parent up   1 recs

great comments both of you

and great post roguejim. bcb is lucky to have you both and your insight, especially in light of what other “sources” have to say.

Bring Back The Old Logo!

by jacob on May 20, 2008 8:49 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Jacob

was that you over at badgerblogger wrassling in the comments?

If so, I have to give you kudos for tenacity.

by ol Pete on May 20, 2008 9:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

First off...

nicely written. It was a pleasure to read.

I guess I’m not as pessimistic regarding that mlb.com article as you are. I don’t think they’ll sign Fielder to an extension, but I’ve thought that for a while, (i.e., since I remembered Boras is his agent), so the “I’ll be here six years” statement from Prince isn’t that much of a shock (though even he left the door open a crack on a possible extension). But I think they’ve still got a shot at Hart. At this point though, I suspect Hart was too curious to see what he’d get in arbitration to sign a deal, since a big award might push the numbers of a long term deal upwards. I doubt that, if they ever got that far, the numbers they threw out there for Hart were all that close to the offer they made Braun.

The other thing to keep in mind is that unlike Braun, Fielder and Hart are married with kids. Early 20’s or not, having a family changes the way you think. At first blush, you might think it would make them eager to sign an extension more quickly to get cash to support their kids, but the $400-600k their making this year are obviously more than enough to offer their kids things most of us can’t right now. Maximizing their long term earning potential, however, can help set their kids (and maybe their kids) for life. If the league minimum were $40k per year, the family situations might push them into signing an extension earlier, but as things are, with neither Hart nor Fielder suffering from any significant injury history, I can see where they want to wait and see. It might be easier as a single guy to say “that’s enough money for me” than it is when you’ve got kids to think about.

Optimism aside for a moment, Braun could turn out to be unique out of this group in that he apparently went to the Brewers and told them he wanted to be a Brewer for a long time. While extensions might be possible for some of the others, I don’t know if we can hold out hope for the others to think about it that way again. The good news, from my perspective anyway, is that out of all the young players to sign, Braun is the one I would have picked, with a pre-injury Gallardo a close second.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 20, 2008 6:38 AM CDT   0 recs

Thanks

for the kind words. I’m always surprised by how long it takes me to get an entry like that together.

I’m with you on most of your comment, although I’m not willing to impute having kids as to why Prince and Corey haven’t signed Brauny-type deals. (Especially after watching the season-ending Gallardo injury go down, if you’re OK with playing in Milwaukee, i”d think it’d be hard to pass up that much money - especially knowing you only gave up two years of free agency. Barring injury, Braun likely has a big payday coming at the end of the contract.) But yeah, though I’d be very pleasantly surprised if Fielder signs a long-term deal, but am still optimistic with Corey Hart.

And of the young players to sign to long-term deals, Braun would have been my #1 choice as well, with Hart/Gallardo fighting it out for #2. (Prince is in there too, but he worries me a little bit.)

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on May 20, 2008 7:58 AM CDT to parent up   1 recs

"Tom, I've met the danger of the Internet, and it is you."

great post, buddy… (and great discussion as always) marty; i liked what you had to say on your site yesterday, as well.

i think it is sad that TH isnt a regular BCB reader (or at least doesnt admit to it).

i know its been covered by those of you far more articulate than me; but i think throwing that badgerblogger under the bus was unprofessional. the “15 minutes of fame” line was the one that really made me mad; cause that was totally unnecessary. TH chose to post that blog; dont take a shot at the guy; just admit that you were wrong (at this point) on this one.

as it has been mentioned; it just comes down to access; if any one of the top posters on BCB had the access that TH had the world would be pretty awesome.

by Jamie in LA on May 20, 2008 12:19 PM CDT to parent up   1 recs

I'd agree with that

about the Badger Blogger site. Although I personally prefer my news to provide immediate access to references and sources through links —one of the best features of getting one’s news from the Intertubes -- I don’t see anything wrong with the Badger Blogger posting a rumor, especially one they admit right up front is unconfirmed.

Tom might say that that is all he did as well. However, when one blog features a snarling badger on its home page and the other the Journal Sentinel masthead, it makes all the difference in the world.

But to have Tom mock the Badger Blogger site puts him at Buzz Bissinger’s table at the Who Doesn’t Understand Blogs Convention. An odd choice for a professional blogger,

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on May 20, 2008 12:56 PM CDT to parent up   1 recs

badgerblogger claimed to have multiple sources close to the team

That’s plenty to run with – if it were true. The not being able to confirm it is fluffy pseudo-journalism language put in for effect. Its not as if he was going to call the team. He probably never tried. If there are multiple sources close to the team declaring it to be a fact, then it would be entirely appropriate for anyone and everyone including jsonline to publish it.

Tom H. went way to easy on a guy who in all likelihood fabricated a story. Where is badgerblogger? Why hasn’t he provided a defense? Get him into the sunlight and watch what happens.

by ol Pete on May 20, 2008 1:35 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

way too easy?

i guess i dont think its TH’s job to scold a guy who is blogging about a rumor.

as far as i know, badgerblogger didnt make TH post this (so far) unsubstantiated rumor on the MJS site. it was TH’s choice to post it. like i said; the only thing i really had a problem with was that TH threw the guy under the bus for it after the firing didn’t happen within 12 hours.

badgerblogger just may have the last laugh after we get swept in pittsburgh. :(

by Jamie in LA on May 20, 2008 2:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

the guy can't get the last laugh

He claimed date certainty. TH also didn’t scold a guy blogging about a rumor. Badgerblogger cited plural sources close to the team claiming definite action. That’s not a rumor.

TH shouldn’t have posted it, because if you look at it, it is a propaganda site.

Yost might get tossed after Pittsburgh, but the matchups look favorable for the Brewers. I wouldn’t be surprised if they get something like 5 of 6. Then what?

by ol Pete on May 20, 2008 2:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

keeping the focus on Haudricourt

I did the exact same thing he did. I posted to my blog that Badger Blogger reported an unconfirmed rumor. At this point, no harm, no foul, except that people come to my blog looking for opinion and some analysis, and not news. The JS does actually break news on their blog, so already the JS should have a higher standard for what is posted there. However, Haudricourt did take great pains to not that he was repeating an unconfirmed rumor.

When the rumor didn’t pan out, I shrugged my shoulders and chalked up Badger Blogger as a site I can’t necessarily believe without corroboration. I knew what I was posted was unconfirmed rumor, and there’s an element of risk to that. Haudricourt, on the other hand, blasted the site and levelled 20 kinds of holier-than-thou vitriol against blogs in general. Why? He knew he was repeating an unconfirmed rumor when he first posted about it….why the hissy fit when it doesn’t pan out? Tom’s a grown man, who ought to have simply owned up to his own error without further trashing his source.

Because a newspaper blog is fundamentally different from a fan blog, Haudricourt doesn’t have the luxury of linking to news he can’t independently confirm. People expect to find news, even in their blog.

by Marty McSuperFly on May 20, 2008 2:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Further

This isn’t a new media vs. old media thing. I would hold espn.com, sportsline.com and sports.yahoo.com to the same standard. As news organizations, they have to resist the siren song of the scoop and bear the responsibility of their access, and confirm the truth of the story.

by Marty McSuperFly on May 20, 2008 2:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I doubt they care about the scoop

They reported the news. A blog claimed certainty and it got its information from sources close to the team. It followed up the story. Really, why isn’t badgerblogger defending himself?

by ol Pete on May 20, 2008 3:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't care

I don’t get news from Badger Blogger. I get news from the Journal-Sentinel.

by Marty McSuperFly on May 20, 2008 3:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think I finally figured you out

For a while I thought you were an idiot. Then I realized you can actually rub 2 ideas together periodically, so instead of an idiot you must be a troll. And a pretty good one, at that. But I think that was wrong, too.

I think you are Tom Haudricourt.

by Marty McSuperFly on May 21, 2008 6:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I haven't figured you out

You really ought to take down your site, because you usually seem like a fan of Yost.

Why don’t you come clean about this whole Haudricourt tantrum. Fabricating wild accusations about Haudricourt trembling in fear of being scooped isn’t supportable. You would have to be completely ignorant of him or his history. So what is it? Do you just like to hurl insults and scream about nothing?

by ol Pete on May 21, 2008 7:05 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Tom or Troll

I’m done with you, Pete. Go ahead and have several last words.

by Marty McSuperFly on May 21, 2008 7:07 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm 40 years old, you want to come at somebody, come at me

I’m not a kid…....I’m a man…..

Mike Gundy
Oklahoma State Coach

Personally, I think we got hosed on that one! - Harry Doyle

by reverse24 on May 22, 2008 2:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Fielder and Hart

I agree that there is not much of a chance of signing Fielder before he’s a free agent (and probably no chance once he hits free agency).

I also hold out hope for Hart. I wonder if Hart feels jerked around by the organization, and if that might inhibit him from signing a long-term deal. He was always the red-headed step-prospect among the Hardy, Fielder, Weeks crew. He languished on the bench for a good while. It’s seemingly never crossed anyone’s mind to have him stop the revolving door that has been centerfield over the last few years. He’s probably not expecting much of an offer and could feel that arby and free agency would be better for his wallet and his playing career.

Note that none of this derives from sources close to the Brewers organization. This is all speculative nonsense on my part. Please do not cite.

Don't try to do too much with it. Just take the ball the other way.

by shooty babitt on May 20, 2008 2:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Much ado about nothing if you ask me

Haudricourt is the guy who acts most like a reporter. Who else ever asks Ned a hard question? McCalvy?

I don’t look at the chats, but I listen to his 540 stuff which thankfully is available on line and I look at his blog pretty regularly.

About the only criticism I can think of is that his phraseology wasn’t very good in the badger blogger saga.

by ol Pete on May 20, 2008 8:19 AM CDT   0 recs

A simple thing is being missed here

Tom should have verified the story through all of his sources with the club I mean he has access that no blogger could dream about.

The poster at Badger Blogger said right in the story it was an unconfirmed this never goes national if Tom checks it out before he links to it.

Badger Blogger is a very good political blog that has been around since blogging started they have a very good track record in the past of breaking political stories in the Milwaukee area they have been instrumental in shining light on the political mess that was the McGee family in Milwaukee. I know the owner of that blog personally and I know they would not do this as a traffic stunt. I really believe they thought they had good information.

Yes the poster there got this wrong but TH is the reason the whole world saw that post as I stated on the MJS Blog I think TH hedged his bets by running the story so fast with out fact checking it if it was right he is hip by using a blogger as a source and if it was wrong he gets to bash on bloggers because lord knows TH never makes mistakes remember how we wrote story after story about how Estrada was a club house cancer oh wait that did not happen.

Yes Badger Blogger got this wrong but TH is just as much at fault here.

Its all about the Bullpen this season that is the key.

by WSB Chris on May 20, 2008 8:32 AM CDT   0 recs

not missed

the simple thing you say is being missed, tom’s culpability, is pretty central to roguejim’s post. clearly it is not being missed.

on bruce’s track record: you don’t get to use your reputation to make up rumors and expect people to just swallow the crap. if bruce believed he had good information then he shows a lack of news judgement. if bruce made up the rumor, which is just as likely from our perspective, it’s a traffic stunt. you’ve placed faith in the authors at badger blogger and have allowed it to cloud your objectivity.

it is dishonest, and unethical to cite “sources close to the organization” to support unreliable information. bruce really shot himself in the foot there. when it happens at a newspaper the guy gets fired and never gets another job in journalism.

on the other point, TH is far more at fault than badger blogger. TH is the gatekeeper, it’s his job to maintain the wall between attention-mongering bloggers and corporate news outlets and he failed miserably. It’s a sad day for the journal-sentinel and TH.

Bring Back The Old Logo!

by jacob on May 20, 2008 9:22 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, I don't get the Badger Blogger "defense"

I just don’t understand, in any way, the comments here, over at Badger Blogger and elsewhere from the people standing up for that site and defending the “Yost will be fired” post. It was wrong, and the biggest audience the blog will ever receive saw it be wrong. There’s no way to couch it: On the biggest day in your history, you failed. It’s an unpleasant thought, but true.

These impassioned pleas about Badger Blogger being right all the times before this and breaking Milwaukee political stories “the mainstream media doesn’t want you know about” ... so what? That has nothing to do with the site being wrong about Yost. I even saw posts over at Badger Blogger implying the Journal Sentinel just doesn’t want to report about Yost being fired soon. How far are you willing to take the whole belief of “the MSM actively works to diminish and downplay my chosen beliefs and principles.” It’s now extending to coverage of beleaguered baseball managers?

Yesterday, I felt bad for Haudricourt because he escalated the thing beyond anything close to what it deserved. Then, he posted that follow-up item with Melvin that might as well have been headlined “Baseball beat writer vindicated!!!” It was just an embarrassing day for Mr. Tom Haudricourt yesterday. Old is a word that comes to mind right away. Thin-skinned and shamefully snarky are some more.

But the Badger Blogger people sticking up for the guys running that site. Great. Sure, yeah, they work hard. OK, they were wrong, man. Go back to doing what you get right.

by Bay View Brewer on May 20, 2008 11:46 AM CDT to parent up   2 recs

I don't Agree that Badger Blogger Is the Issue

As a professional journalist, TH must be held accountable for his work. He cited an inaccurate source-one of questionable legitimacy-and had to backtrack from it. He then blamed the source when he should have known better in the first place. TH is a professional. He belongs to, and is governed by, the rules of professional associations. He earns a salary for his labor. He failed to act professionally in this case. Nobody is calling for his execution, but he certainly deserves the criticism that has been levelled at him.

Badger Blogger is a blogger (or a number of bloggers). He/They belong(s) to no professional society. He/They is/are not salaried for their work. While blogging ethical and conduct codes are developing, there are no generally accepted standards. There are no gatekeepers ti stand at the internet’s doors to determine who does and does not have the credentials to enter and post. We all love that about blogging and the internet. It’s makes for a democratic form of communication that allows for the free expression of uncensored and unconvential ideas. On the other hand, its a form of communication that does not vet for lies, character assassination, or crackpottedness.

Thus, I do not see Badger Blogger as the issue. The issue-and I think roguejim framed it well-is TH’s professional blunder and his unprofessional efforts to pass the blame to a website that features a picture of a snarling badger.

Don't try to do too much with it. Just take the ball the other way.

by shooty babitt on May 20, 2008 1:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

badgerbloggers actions were unethical regardless

Haudricourt cited the existence of a rumor. I think he is due for some criticism, but I have experience with all the journalistic falderal you speak of, and I don’t think you’ll find much, if any, in there that he is in violation of.

by ol Pete on May 20, 2008 2:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

For all the talk of Yost being a 'players manager'

Where were/are the players saying they don’t want him fired. Perhaps I missed it, but I didn’t hear a report of anyone standing up and saying they wanted Ned to stick around. To me, that says volumes about how well liked and respected he is.

by Getting Yosted on May 20, 2008 8:35 AM CDT   0 recs

True, I suppose

Though I guess Ned Yost supporters would have wished he did what most reporters would have - left that unsubstantiated rumor alone. If you Google “Ned Yost fired Badger Blogger,” you get more than 1000 entries, be it from Deadspin and AOL to Walk off Walk and Ballbug. Our Texas Rangers sister site, Lone Star Ball, has a front page post about it, and seeing who might be available under a new managerial regime.

In other Ned Yost news, I think I saw somewhere that Ned Yost IV retired, and that in between his time as a Brewers player and his time as a Brewers manager, Ned Yost was a taxidermist. Tom, please confirm before posting.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on May 20, 2008 8:36 AM CDT   0 recs

I can't believe I spent an hour

reading that paranoid whack job crap. I’d blame you rogujim, but really it is my fault.

by Braunstalker on May 20, 2008 2:09 PM CDT   0 recs

Wow

Tom just got punk’d out by Melvin. Just reading that felt good.

"You have no honor!" - McClung to Fukudome

by zsxander567 on May 20, 2008 3:02 PM CDT   0 recs

wow

I’m a little taken aback by how aggressive the comments are. Maybe the powers the be should reconsider who they’re insulting when they lump all blogs together.

http://blogs.jsonline.com/brewers/archive/2008/05/20/yost-unhappy-with-blog-reports.aspx

by Marty McSuperFly on May 20, 2008 4:19 PM CDT   0 recs

i'm not the world's best spellor

but i don’t get paid to do it either…

“Blogs and the talk radio show guys, it’s fun, but they don’t have all the information. To sit back and criticize and talk about certain situations and they don’t have all the information, now that’s where it gets hard to listen or give it much credability.”

think ned actually said “credability.” to get a word like that wrong you have to be mis-pronouncing it. whatever, there is way meatier stuff here to eat, just thought i get a little appetizer in…

:)

you’re next witrado.

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by jacob on May 20, 2008 4:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not to mention
“I had no problems with what Ryan said,” Yost said. “Everybody’s got the right to say what they want. This is stuff we preach all the time: believeing in yourself, feeling good about yourself, staying confident in yourself.

The blag nedes mor profreeding.

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by TheJay on May 20, 2008 4:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yost wasnt Happy with the Blog Reports? I'm Shocked!!!

is that maybe the most obvious thing ever.

i cant believe that Yost is now responding to all of this. its ridiculous. yost is such a joke. same old stuff.

you would think that he wouldnt be so adamant that there is no truth to the rumor. lets see what happens in the next week or so…

by Jamie in LA on May 20, 2008 5:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hey Jamie

We haven’t heard much from you since spring training. Then, by sheer coincidence, you start posting again when McClung joins the rotation :)

Mendoza (Uecker) Watch: Weeks .190, Hall .199, Cameron .211

by molitorfan on May 20, 2008 7:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

HAAAA!!!

that is hilarious! yes. i havent been on here quite so much. the biggest thing is the new website. as much as i like it in theory; i think its too fancy; and, my computer has been having troubles doing the MLBTV and BCB Game threads simultaneously.

i have emailed the guys in charge of the website design; and they are working on some things to streamline the experience; like hiding the first 100 comments; or hiding comments that are more than 10 minutes old…etc. hopefully that will help.

unrelated to the website design; i also was thinking that I was bad luck; cause whenever i seemed to participate in a game thread; the Brewers would blow it. but now ive realized that its not me; it the 10 million dollar man and various other problems with the team.

i am elated that my boy has joined the rotation. it will be exciting for us to see how he does.

go get em' seth!

by Jamie in LA on May 21, 2008 1:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's you

I don’t buy it for a minute Jamie. It’s totally you.. if you were a better fan the team would win more.

You also cause global warming… JERK!

by SgtClueLs on May 21, 2008 3:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

ha!

go get em' seth!

by Jamie in LA on May 21, 2008 3:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

notice how he doesn't deny it

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on May 21, 2008 8:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He can't deny it

because he is on-line buying a flight and a front row ticket for Seth’s first start

Mendoza (Uecker) Watch: Weeks .200, Hall .207

by molitorfan on May 21, 2008 8:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hmmm...

McClung against the Nationals…

I anxiously await an Estrada-McClung matchup.

Whenever prince is at first, he should charge the mound and yell "MEAT!"

by jihad on May 21, 2008 8:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Estrada

is on the DL

by sheeter on May 22, 2008 5:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's sad

Whenever prince is at first, he should charge the mound and yell "MEAT!"

by jihad on May 22, 2008 7:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Nice post, jim

I enjoyed it very much.

I’m firmly in the camp of Haudricourt being incredibly irresponsible. I think he wanted to prevent being “scooped” and went way too far. If I were the JS, I’d strip him of his Brewers beat duties, it’s seriously that big of a breach.

My non-embarrassing thoughts on the Brewers:
Two Fisted Slopper

by nmc on May 20, 2008 6:20 PM CDT   0 recs

lol

About the only reporter on the beat, and lets get rid of him.

I find the theory that he gave a damn about being “scooped” fantastic and nobody has supported it in any way.

If he breached something, name it, and send a couple letters to the professional organizations he belongs to. You can create a controversy and drive traffic to your blog. You can strike a blow for the new media against the “incredibly irresponsible” old media. Maybe you can get him fired.

by ol Pete on May 21, 2008 7:00 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Donkey

I can’t tell if you’re being condescending or agreeing, but I’ll respond anyway.

Haudricourt, as the official Brewers reporter for the only daily in the city, has the responsibility to, you know, fact check things as major as this before posting. He may feel there are different standards between his print and blog postings, but as the reader, the news is coming from the same guy. Whether it was true or false, the perception is that he, under salary to cover the goings on for the team, wouldn’t say anything if it were not newsworthy.

His advertisement of a statement from a blog most have not heard of (because it doesn’t regularly speak of the Brewers from what I can tell) was nothing more than hearsay. He shouldn’t have done it without fact checking first to confirm or deny. If it were true, then citing the original posting would be warranted.

Firing him would be too much, maybe suspending him (there are others who can write a game story and notes story each day). His reputation is compromised, and certainly Yost knows that and knows who the guy is that promoted the internet rumor … they speak on a daily basis. I can see Yost giving Haudricourt a hard time in interviews, in the end it hurts us readers because we’re not getting the info we may want.

The most tragic part of the situation is that I sympathize with Yost, I didn’t think that was possible.

My non-embarrassing thoughts on the Brewers:
Two Fisted Slopper

by nmc on May 21, 2008 9:17 AM CDT to parent up   1 recs

I didn't think that was possible either

but I would agree (on the Yost issue).

Another tragic part of the situation is that regardless of the blog it came from, I think this incident helps to give all blogs in general a bad name, particularily in the eyes of casual readers and members of the media, i.e. Haudricourt. We all know that all blogs are not created equal, however those people who haven’t been enlighted to the goodness that is BCB and other respectable blogs now would lump these quality blogs into their general assumption that all blogs can’t be trusted.

It really is a lose-lose for everyone and that is the real shame in all of this. BCB loses respect for being a blog regardless of its quality and those people miss out on excellent analysis and discussion.

"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."

by MadJimiBrewha on May 21, 2008 12:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

sphincter

He reported a fact. A great bulk of information contained in newspapers, by necessity is hearsay. In actuality he presented the existence of hearsay. Thanks for your estimation of newsworthiness. What do you think that’s worth?

By all means cite the ethical violations. I’m sure the SPJ has their ethical guidelines online.

by ol Pete on May 24, 2008 11:57 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

sphincter?

we’re not in third grade here. name-calling is not appropriate on this site.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on May 25, 2008 9:52 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

asphinctersayswhat?

"My thing is that you guys eat meat all day and you can't hit a ball. That's my thing." - P. Fielder

by SRB on May 26, 2008 12:43 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Perhaps it's coincidence

But I find it interesting that Witrado has made 5 blog posts to Haudricourt’s none since yesterday afternoon, and also wrote last night’s game story, game report, and notes articles. There’s probably a regular rotation between the two but I just find it curious.

by John Brew on May 21, 2008 11:21 AM CDT   0 recs

Witrado is in Pittsburgh. Haudricourt isn't.

Given the fact that he was already on his way back from Boston when he posted the reference to Badger Blogger in his blog, I don’t think it’s anything more than coincidence. He was probably already scheduled to be off…

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 21, 2008 11:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

nedly is safe.........

I’d say he’s safe till the all star break at least. I doubt he gets axed. This team is just underperforming. To many guys not hitting and if they were the pitching wouldn’t be relied upon so much. Cameron is definately not a 2 hole hitter just like weeks isn’t a lead off hitter. They need about 4 guys to step it up and get the bats going.

Tim Bring back the chalet,frank charles at the wurlitzer organ, bob betts at the mic, and the barrell man logo!!!!

by storminTAZZ on May 21, 2008 9:45 PM CDT   0 recs

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