Game Thread #49: Brewers (22-26) at Nationals (21-28)
by Jeff Sackmann on May 24, 2008 3:00 PM CDT
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The 2008 Milwaukee Brewers road show: Making bad teams feel better about themselves! (c)
Tonight opens the Seth McClung era, and John Lannan, whose era has already begun in Washington, goes for the Nats. I want McClung to succeed, I really do, but this has "disaster" written all over it.
Game time is 6:10 CT, and here's the BR Game Preview.
Go Brewers!
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Hopefully the "Seth McClung era" is a low one
/bad baseball stat pun
Whenever prince is at first, he should charge the mound and yell "MEAT!"
by Jordan M on May 24, 2008 3:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And I am back
Kind of strange to leave for nearly a week and then return before the long weekend but then again I am pretty strange. I completely agree with you Jeff this could be ugly. I am not sold on McClung’s off speed stuff and if he has to slow his fastball down in order to not tire himself out what does he really have to offer as a starter? Then again it is the National offense so he could get off to a good start today.
by dixieflatline on May 24, 2008 3:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
McClung starting...
What’s the opposite of a perfect game?
"My thing is that you guys eat meat all day and you can't hit a ball. That's my thing." - P. Fielder
by SRB on May 24, 2008 4:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
This will turn out like those forfeit lineup games where McClung only gives up one run through 7 innings.
He's the round mound of profound
by drezdn on May 24, 2008 6:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Rickie with another hit - another lead off runner
How about a run?
by ol Pete on May 24, 2008 6:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m already sick of Bill’s lecture, surely they must hear that over and over.
by ol Pete on May 24, 2008 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow I didn't think Guzman could hit it that far
by dixieflatline on May 24, 2008 6:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is the first time I've seen the Nats' stadium on TV
That’s a weird notch in the OF.
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on May 24, 2008 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah you see things like that a lot with those stadiums kind of in the city
You can get some messy angles. Not sure if that is good for the game or bad for the game but interesting.
by dixieflatline on May 24, 2008 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, so I came across this blog post about pitchfx distortion
Is the quality of data of individual ballparks known?
by ol Pete on May 24, 2008 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It depends on what you mean by distortion
but yes if you plot certain variables you can look at things like distortion and try to correct for them. The worst part is that sportvision will mess with the cameras and then change everything.
by dixieflatline on May 24, 2008 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can I ask what site you were looking at Pete?
by dixieflatline on May 24, 2008 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was ike something I think – you commented on it so its one you already know about.
by ol Pete on May 24, 2008 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Ike
He doesn’t like my correction system very much. He is trying to fix all the camera’s by looking at crazy things like that. Honestly, he isn’t having very much success but it would be nice if he would. The data that is coming out of those cameras is pretty crappy.
by dixieflatline on May 24, 2008 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The one thing I saw was about barrel distortion of the lens. That is somewhat odd to me given the quality of modern lenses – but whatever. I guess what I really want to know is how accurate is the gameday graphic representation.
by ol Pete on May 24, 2008 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That data is terrible.
Until the data was corrected the camera in Cincy had gameday saying that Gallardo threw 3 fastballs in his first start.
by dixieflatline on May 24, 2008 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's still a work in progress
Still a bit of wishware going on there
by Lake County on May 24, 2008 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's early, but
McLung for Balfour already a winner in my book.
by Lake County on May 24, 2008 6:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Doug and the boys sometimes look real good
Then there is the Safate for nothing trade though and you shake your head.
by dixieflatline on May 24, 2008 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lannan's shoulders look really weird
He either has horrible posture or is very embarrassed.
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on May 24, 2008 6:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
After that inning
No embarrassment needed
by Lake County on May 24, 2008 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice play Billy
I hope to remember that during the next routine E5
by Lake County on May 24, 2008 6:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
happy mcclung day, everyone!!!
jeff; you couldnt manage a shout out to me in the preview? this is the best day, ever!!!
go get em' seth!
by Jamie in LA on May 24, 2008 6:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice scoop by Prince
McClung throwing strikes and looking okay … on tv, the pitches look quite hittable, though.
by oconnobe on May 24, 2008 6:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
only 8 pitches
The thing I worried about most was a high pitch count where the Nats would get good looks at his off speed pitches. It looks like only one slider in that last inning and the rest fastballs. Not a very good approach by them.
by dixieflatline on May 24, 2008 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
18 pitches
by dixieflatline on May 24, 2008 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not in MLB
He had a double last year at Nashville.
Obscure baseball records and more at my blog, Recondite Baseball.
by TheJay on May 24, 2008 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would have been cool if Kendall could have scored on that
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on May 24, 2008 6:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It would have been close
if he didn’t slide at 2nd.
by oconnobe on May 24, 2008 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
McLung's Mechanics
Were they really that bad?
Give him credit for changing everything.
by Lake County on May 24, 2008 6:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
go to the Brewers site
click on roster, click on him and they’ll have video highlights of earlier in his career. They were pretty dramatic.
by ol Pete on May 24, 2008 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interest you say that
Check out his release points.
2007
2008
I’d love to know what he did to his mechanics.
by dixieflatline on May 24, 2008 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
McClung still throwing in the mid 90's
If he can do that while starting that will greatly increase his chances.
by dixieflatline on May 24, 2008 6:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Fine Yakker
To a pitcher, but good one.
by Lake County on May 24, 2008 6:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sign Hart Now!!!
The Wallbangers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!
by 80badger on May 24, 2008 7:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
McClung
by dixieflatline on May 24, 2008 7:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not sure
whether to be shocked or impressed. I do like the Grit though. He obviously recognized this was a huge opportunity and has grabbed it by the balls. The next couple innings will be the real test I think. I hope it continues to go well!!
The Wallbangers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!
by 80badger on May 24, 2008 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which Rickie
is going to show up here?
The Wallbangers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!
by 80badger on May 24, 2008 7:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Every flipping time this week I come late to the game a hr right away
by Flag Up on May 24, 2008 7:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Have you tried
showing up late in OUR half of the inning? ;-)
The Wallbangers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!
by 80badger on May 24, 2008 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He should
do more than frown.
The Wallbangers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!
by 80badger on May 24, 2008 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least a misplay didn’t cost the team for a change.
by ol Pete on May 24, 2008 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A kind gesture
That’s an inexcusable mental error.
by Lake County on May 24, 2008 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't watching
What exactly happened?
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on May 24, 2008 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grounder to short and Nieves took off from second right away
Hall didn’t cover third, so Hardy had to throw to first instead.
Obscure baseball records and more at my blog, Recondite Baseball.
by TheJay on May 24, 2008 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
McLarge
5 IP, 2 R.
Even against the lowly Nats, I like it.
by Lake County on May 24, 2008 7:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
now it is time to turn it over to the pen. Can’t imagine that McClung has much left in the tank today.
by Oakland Brewer Fan on May 24, 2008 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Minors update
Huntsville won today over B’ham 11-6
Gamel 3-5
LaPorta 1-4
Escobar 3-5
Nashville is up 4-2 bottom of 6.
Just for Jeff: Cabbe is 2-4!!!!!!!!
The Wallbangers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!
by 80badger on May 24, 2008 7:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
flipped to WGN for a second
and there is a Pirate crossing home plate. Wish I could do that more.
by ol Pete on May 24, 2008 7:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I like runs
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on May 24, 2008 8:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Check Out JJ
Getting all Molitor on us with the baserunning.
by Lake County on May 24, 2008 8:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Three major league games going on in Detroit at once.
Go Penguins.
by Lake County on May 24, 2008 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pens are going to rock!
The Wallbangers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!
by 80badger on May 24, 2008 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How can you root for Pittsburgh?
Disgusting!
"My thing is that you guys eat meat all day and you can't hit a ball. That's my thing." - P. Fielder
by SRB on May 24, 2008 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mota in the seventh?
Interesting. Torres for the save? Who pitches the 8th?
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on May 24, 2008 8:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cameron!
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on May 24, 2008 8:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Braun
has seen 27 pitches in 4 AB!! Nice patience.
The Wallbangers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!
by 80badger on May 24, 2008 8:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I'm wrong
but Prince looking like he might go Piniella on a water cooler before long
by ol Pete on May 24, 2008 8:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cubs have scored three in the 8th to take a 4-3 lead
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on May 24, 2008 8:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I love the Penguins
But man do I hate the Pirates for this nonsense.
by Lake County on May 24, 2008 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
PENS SCORE!!!!!
The Wallbangers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!
by 80badger on May 24, 2008 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big air
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on May 24, 2008 8:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
you know
I am less and less worried when balls are hit to rickie. it’s when their pitched to him that i’m much more concerned. odd turn of events in his career so far, huh?
by Oakland Brewer Fan on May 24, 2008 8:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep
I’d seriously put him in the 7 spot and just let him see ball hit ball at this point.
by Lake County on May 24, 2008 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
as someone who does not really know RZR
Is Rickie’s score good or bad?
by Oakland Brewer Fan on May 24, 2008 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he’s 14th in all of MLB, and has the second-most OOZ (out of zone) plays, so I’d say he’s become a solidly average second baseman.
Revised Zone Rating is the proportion of balls hit into a fielder’s zone that he successfully converted into an out. Zone Rating was invented by John Dewan when he was CEO of Stats Inc. John is now the owner of Baseball Info Solutions, where he has revised the original Zone Rating calculation so that it now lists balls handled out of the zone (OOZ) separately (and doesn’t include them in the ZR calculation) and doesn’t give players extra credit for double plays (Stats had already made that change). We believe both changes improve Zone Ratings substantially. To get a full picture of a player’s range, you should evaluate both his Revised Zone Rating and his plays made out of zone (OOZ). You can read more about the Revised Zone Ratings in this article.
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on May 24, 2008 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks!
now, if only bill E could make the kind of improvement rickie has…sigh
by Oakland Brewer Fan on May 24, 2008 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just to restate, because I was gone when he came out of the game
But this was a hell of a start by McClung. 4/0 K/BB and only 68 pitches. Exciting and relieving.
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on May 24, 2008 8:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The slightly concerning part is that he’s throwing fastballs in the low 90s rather than mid to upper 90s. Maybe their is some difference in the radar. Seems like his style of pitcher needs to bring the heat.
by ol Pete on May 24, 2008 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's completely normal going from the bullpen to the rotation
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on May 24, 2008 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not
They took an intentional approach to vary his pitches, etc. So perhaps it was a strategic decision.
Look at all of the mechanical adjustments he’s made. It sure would be nice to have another bona fide Maddux reclamation about now, eh?
by Lake County on May 24, 2008 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Charlie Manning
This is his ML debut. He was drafted, but not signed, by the Brewers back in 1997; he was actually drafted five times!
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on May 24, 2008 8:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
MLB.com puns have reached a new low:
(In reference to Francoeur walk-off) “Frenchy fries D-Backs”
...
"My thing is that you guys eat meat all day and you can't hit a ball. That's my thing." - P. Fielder
by SRB on May 24, 2008 8:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Skip probably wrote that one
after his 20th scotch up in the booth.
The Wallbangers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!
by 80badger on May 24, 2008 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Side Note: Speeding up the game
What’s up with all of this noise about speeding up the timeless game again?
Is it just me, or is this initiative the lamest laming that ever lamed?
by Lake County on May 24, 2008 8:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
well there is a lot of lame so I don't know
They could give a cattle prod to the 3rd base ump in Cubs games to speed up Lou.
by ol Pete on May 24, 2008 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have that game on split screen
Every call if it goes against them they complain. It takes a lot of time to complain.
by dixieflatline on May 24, 2008 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gamel time?
by dixieflatline on May 24, 2008 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He might be an upgrade at 3rd Base
Sad, isn’t it?
Whenever prince is at first, he should charge the mound and yell "MEAT!"
by Jordan M on May 24, 2008 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On pace for just as many errors as Braun last year
Whenever prince is at first, he should charge the mound and yell "MEAT!"
by Jordan M on May 24, 2008 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
but, would that be Braun’s total, or Braun’s projected total if he played in the show for the whole season?
by Oakland Brewer Fan on May 24, 2008 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His range is still a massive improvement over Braun's
Braun was historically bad over there.
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on May 24, 2008 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
just disputing the garbage that “Billy’s a natural at third base” and “You guys have no concept”
Whenever prince is at first, he should charge the mound and yell "MEAT!"
by Jordan M on May 24, 2008 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What’s the source of the no concept comment – or shouldn’t I ask.
by ol Pete on May 24, 2008 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Continuing the fued with math and being condescending!
“That’s not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer,” Yost said.That may be true, but doesn’t the math make him an unlikely run-scorer?
“It doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter,” Yost told reporters. “See, you guys have no concept. He’s a run-scorer. So there’s nothing weird about it. That’s what he does.”
Whenever prince is at first, he should charge the mound and yell "MEAT!"
by Jordan M on May 24, 2008 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He gets all persnickity for no reason. He could just talk about it calmly and not worry about it.
by ol Pete on May 24, 2008 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Counsell time?
by dixieflatline on May 24, 2008 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Branyan, Dillon
Hell, put Gagne over there for all I care.
by Lake County on May 24, 2008 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BRANYAN TIME
Whenever prince is at first, he should charge the mound and yell "MEAT!"
by Jordan M on May 24, 2008 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Counsell really becomes the regular vs LHP and Branyan rots in Nashville while Dillon continues to get splinters in his ass
THEN someone deserves to be fired.
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on May 24, 2008 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now it's official
Forget “pretty much”
This guy is a joke. Get rid of him.
No value at all.
by Lake County on May 24, 2008 8:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I've had it with Billy
He needs to sit. He’s killing us with the bat and the glove
Can't pitch Gagne in rain. He’s like the B-2 bomber of baseball.--TheJay
by verno329 on May 24, 2008 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell is going on, Billy?
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on May 24, 2008 8:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Billy looked really good defensively early in the season
by ol Pete on May 24, 2008 8:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
so
is he bringing his offensive woes to the field? like he seems to have brought his defensive woes to the plate last year?
by Oakland Brewer Fan on May 24, 2008 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, great pitch there
How did Dukes miss that one?
by Lake County on May 24, 2008 8:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
2 on, zero out in Pit...
Come on dudes…
by Lake County on May 24, 2008 8:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
sac bunt
by dixieflatline on May 24, 2008 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Freddy Sanchez?
So Oh for three-vas could bat?
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on May 24, 2008 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it worked
by dixieflatline on May 24, 2008 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That said it was an insane move
The count was 2-0 even and there was a huge hole on the left side of the infield.
by dixieflatline on May 24, 2008 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus Flores is on my fantasy team
I don’t want to be conflicted. Boone needs to make an out here.
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on May 24, 2008 8:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is he projected to play much
over the rest of the season? Ramon Hernandez is killing me, I need a new backup.
"My thing is that you guys eat meat all day and you can't hit a ball. That's my thing." - P. Fielder
by SRB on May 24, 2008 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Screw backup, I keep hearing that he's going to start even after Lo Duca and Estrada come back
And Flores is legitimately better than either of them anyway.
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on May 24, 2008 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice little slide piece there
Breadbasket.
by Lake County on May 24, 2008 8:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cubs have used their good relievers though
by dixieflatline on May 24, 2008 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's always a good feeling getting Marmol and, to a lesser extent, Wood out of the way
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on May 24, 2008 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems like they use him an awful lot. Maybe I’m mistaken about that, but lotsa games along with Winter ball, I see him grinding at the end.
by ol Pete on May 24, 2008 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He really really looks a lot like Turnbow to me
Fastball/slider with a lot of speed. Marmol has more movement but it seems like not a lot of his sliders are in the zone. If batters can not swing at those he could implode like Turnbow. That said, he threw several sliders that looked low and away and was getting the calls with them in the 8th so as long as that continues he will probably be ok.
by dixieflatline on May 24, 2008 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just missed it
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on May 24, 2008 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like wins
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on May 24, 2008 8:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
me too...they make me feel so good
and my students should be happy, since i’m grading final exams right now..
by Oakland Brewer Fan on May 24, 2008 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Post-game thread posted
...here. Let’s move the Cubs chatter there.
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on May 24, 2008 9:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
mcclung!!!! my hero!
go get em' seth!
by Jamie in LA on May 24, 2008 9:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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|---|---|---|---|---|---|
St. Louis
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91 | 71 | .561 | 0 | Lost 6 |
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Chicago
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83 | 78 | .515 | 7.5 | Lost 1 |
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Milwaukee
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80 | 82 | .493 | 11 | Won 3 |
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Cincinnati
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78 | 84 | .481 | 13 | Won 2 |
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Houston
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