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Prince Fielder is the leader of the Brewers clubhouse.  The broadcasters repeat it ad nauseum, the sports writers throw it in there for color, and the manager and coaches talk about how important it is.  So, why is the new guy off message on this?

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And I wouldn't call Prince Fielder the clubhouse leader. That's a label a lot of people who aren't in the clubhouse put on him because they want him to be that. But he is not. Guys like Ryan Braun, Mike Cameron and Jason Kendall are.


Media coverage of Fielder began to shift in the off-season, with a lot of the focus on his agent as the bad actor.  Then, he told a reporter that he was upset about the Brewers renewing his contract for roughly $600k instead of $900k, and hardly a week goes by without someone dredging that up.  And, of course, the vegetarianism.  He might as well be Communist.

Ryan Braun signed the big contract and he's going to be the face of this team going forward.  Even if Fielder were to stay, and if he were able to continue to play at a high level, the Brewers wouldn't have him as long as Braun.  So, we can look forward to this perception shift all season.  In the long-term, Fielder is going to play in the AL, where his defense (and conditioning) won't be an issue.  Maybe the Brewers keep him through a year of arbitration or two, but the smarter thing is to trade him to another team that can benefit from those arbitration years, and thus take advantage of the extra trade value that provides.

But, before any discussions of moving Fielder can happen, the public image of the team needs an adjustment, because the past two years have been spent describing Fielder as the "heart and soul" of the team.  The fans are already adjusting to the Ryan Braun storyline, and if Melvin can lock up Hardy or Hart, it will become that much easier.

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Nicely done.

I don’t know that I agree with the notion that this is part of a concerted campaign to shift fan perception of Fielder. Frankly I’m not sure I’d give Melvin credit for being smart and subtle enough to pull it off. There certainly has been a shift in fan perception, but it appears to me to be more organic than orchestrated and a natural consequence from the inevitable realization that he’s not going to hit 50HRs every year, combined with the modest HR/RBI total that has now extended through May and the contract comments he made this spring.

“And, of course, the vegetarianism. He might as well be Communist.”

Definitely sig-worthy. Thanks for the laugh.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 29, 2008 10:13 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You're probably right

My primary interest is the role the media plays in setting the agenda, and how the dialogue is guided by the gatekeepers. It certainly could be an organic change at its root, but the consensus seems to be shifting toward Braun and away from Fielder, and of course that movement strengthens itself with each repetition.

Funny that it’s Witrado with the first open volley. It wasn’t too long ago that he was posted about how the team only wins when Fielder hits well.

by Marty McSuperFly on May 29, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting question on Fielder

What is the largest hr drop off from one season to the next?

"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."

by MadJimiBrewha on May 29, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brady Anderson maybe

He went from 50 in 1996 to 18 in 1997 after jumping up from 16 in ‘95.

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by TheJay on May 29, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with almost everything you said until the last sentence

If the brewers sign Hardy to any long term deal, it probably won’t take the burden away from trading prince. Corey maybe, but not JJ.

by brewfan2 on May 29, 2008 10:36 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

the girls like JJ Hardy

All those Mrs. JJ Hardy t-shirts have to count for something

by Marty McSuperFly on May 29, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fielder

He doesn’t seem the same on the field. He doesn’t seem to have the childish enthusiasm he used to show off a lot as much anymore. Maybe it’s because he’s not putting up great power numbers yet and it’ll come back when he starts clearing the fences, but he just seems different. < /quackery >

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by TheJay on May 29, 2008 10:47 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I would agree

I would guess it has to do with the lack of success that he has become accustomed to. He just doesn’t look comfortable at the plate, really hasn’t all year. I’ll admit I haven’t seen every at bat, but he seems to be switching bats a lot, something that has to throw off timing. Something else I think I’ve noticed (which may not even be true) is that he seems to be taking the ball the other way more this year than in the past. Now whether that is a conscious effort or pitchers working him away more, I’m not sure, but my perception is that he seems to be taking more inside strikes (the ones he drove into right field last year for home runs and doubles) and is focusing more on the outside pitch. I tried finding a hit chart, pitch location chart, or anything to find out if my perceptions are off-base or even moderately accurate, but I don’t have TheJay’s fact finding ability and ended up finding nothing useful.

"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."

by MadJimiBrewha on May 29, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honest opinion on the influence of vegetarianism?

People have brought this up a lot, some serious and some joking. Who thinks that there is really something to this? Something is definitely wrong with Prince, in my opinion. But if I give the “no meat” theory any creedence, I’m more inclined to think that it’s not the lack of meat so much as apparently having a wife who is able to pry at him enough to get him to stop eating meat. What are other people’s thoughts?

by keephopealive on May 29, 2008 11:31 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No effect

Except that he actually looks bigger. If he’s replaced the meat with a lot of pasta, that can’t be good.

by Marty McSuperFly on May 29, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As long as

the Brewers and Prince are making sure the protein he got from meat is being replaced by some other source in his diet, there is not plausible reason for using that as an excuse for his decreased production. Does anyone else recall the article that mentioned the Brewers as one of the few MLB teams that don’t employ a nutritionist? You would think that would’ve been the first thing the Brewers would’ve done on hearing the news of Fielder’s new diet.

"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."

by MadJimiBrewha on May 29, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Am I the only one?

That honestly thinks it is having an influence? Admittedly, I don’t know too much about vegitarian diets, but I have heard multiple times that vegitarian diets are very difficult to properly maintain and can be fairly unhealthy and lead to things such as weight gain in not done properly. I’m also not convinced that protien supliments are perfectly suitable replacements for natural protiens found in meat. Again, I don’t know a whole lot about vegetarianism, but I am 100% convinced it is at least having some effect.

Also, the fact that the Brewers don’t have a nutritionist is absurd. Although, I guess I shouldnt be too surprised. We are, after all, named after beer makers.

"You guys know me. I take a long time to analyze things."
- Ned Yost

by SunglassesAtNight on May 29, 2008 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

From what I understand..

It’s easy enough to get protein with Tofu and other products. (After all, aren’t most muscle building shakes Soy protein shakes?) But the problem is that they are high in fat, and it’s going to be more about managing his Fat intake then protein.

My assumption is that the team, the owner, his agent, his wife, himself want to ensure his dietary changes don’t impact his performance and I assume they have a nutritionist to help him maintain. At least I hope… as I can think of a few million reasons why he should be motivated to ensure it doesn’t effect his play.

Personally I just think he’s having a bad year, and it’s just easy to point to Veggie as a reason why he’s bad so far.

by SgtClueLs on May 29, 2008 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just clarifying

You don’t know much about vegetarianism or vegetarian diets and are unconvinced about protein supplements’ effect on the body and that’s why you’re convinced being a vegetarian has an effect on Prince’s numbers?

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by TheJay on May 29, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm...

If you look at his numbers, I don’t think his average is far off of last years pace. I disagree with those who say he doesn’t look comfortable at the plate, particularly recently. He’s driving the ball and picking up hits, just not HRs. The difference between this year and last is his HR/RBI pace. Anectdotally, it seems like the drives that went out last year are coming down on the warning track this year, but other than the low HR number, there’s really no proof of that.

To me, blaming it on the diet change seems ridiculous, but I’m no more of an expert on the subject than anyone else here. That leaves me with a list of things that are different from last year as possible explanations, and that list inludes pitchers adjusting to him after his 50HR year, the team’s lack of offensive production (particularly power) up and down the lineup (which allows them to pitch around Fielder and force Hart to beat them), the relatively difficult schedule thus far, the number of road games played. Those, in combination, seem like far more reasonable causes of the low HR total than any change in diet.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 29, 2008 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's definitely the wife

Just ask Mick.

Don't try to do too much with it. Just take the ball the other way.

by shooty babitt on May 29, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Without checking on it

I beleive the largest drop in HR’s in a year is held by Hack Wilsor with 43. He had 56 in 1930 and fell to 13 in 1931, Prince won’t match that – unless he is injured,
And Hack’s RBI total took a drop from 191 to somewhere aeround 65.

by richfry on May 29, 2008 11:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I meant Hack Wilson

Need to check spelling,

by richfry on May 29, 2008 11:40 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

his weight

It almost seems as if it might be approaching the level where it affects his hitting.

by ol Pete on May 29, 2008 3:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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