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My conversation with Joe Perez re: AA baseball in Connecticut

As mentioned in this fanpost and this morning's Mug, the Giants are currently unhappy with their AA affiliate, the Connecticut Defenders, and may be considering leaving. The Brewers, among others, have been mentioned as a possible replacement.

As I said I would this morning, I emailed Joe Perez with the Norwich Bulletin, who wrote this column which started the conversation. I wanted to open our conversation up to all of you, so here is, published with his consent, the conversation we've had so far:

My initial email to Joe:

Hey Joe,

My name is XXX, but I write as KL Snow at BrewCrewBall.com. This morning I saw your column on the Defenders' bad relationship with the Giants, and noticed you mentioned the Brewers as a possible replacement. Have you heard any rumblings to back that up? The possibility the Brewers could leave Huntsville, which has been largely successful as a Brewer affiliate since 1999, was news to us.

Also, are there any efforts in place to fix some of the stadium problems, most notably moving in the fences?

Thanks,
XXX

Joe's reply:

XXX,

Thanks for writing.

I had been told there was some mutual interest between Norwich and Milwaukee. How deep that interest is remains to be seen. It can simply be lip service from both sides.

The fences at Dodd Stadium aren't a problem. They are considered a problem by the Giants because they haven't hit at the stadium. Mind you, Nick Johnson won a batting title while playing there. Dodd is maintained very well. The field was resodded this offseason and has never looked better. That work included a new drainage system. They also spent money three years ago on a new scoreboard and indoor batting cage.

The one true problem at Dodd Stadium is the total lack of excitement caused by the Giants' dry farm system and that fans don't show up until late May.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

Take care,
Joe

My response:

Some quick research shows the park factor for 2006 at Dodd Stadium was 0.89 for runs scored and .70 for home runs. From 2004-2006 the same factors are .91 and .65. Doesn't it make sense for the Giants (or any other team, for that matter) to want their minor league affiliates to play in an environment that's closer to neutral, for evaluation purposes?

Joe's response:

Sure, but the park has always had the same configuration and it has only been deemed a problem the last three years. Why? Because the Giants minor leaguers haven't hit, for the most part. Why wasn't it an issue for the Yankees in their eight years in Norwich? Furthermore, if moving in the fences is so important to the Giants -- something the Defenders and the city of Norwich are not opposed to -- then why did the Giants ( who wanted the change) refuse to pay a penny to have it done and say the team and city need to pay the full cost? Because it isn't that important to them. If another team comes in and offers to share the cost, plus to have to resod the field again, it will get done.

Park factors, splits and any other stat simply do not reflect that as a Giants affiliate, the home team at Dodd Stadium simply has not been good.

My response:

Right, but how much of the attendance/fan atmosphere actually impacts the Giants? The Royals low-A team has played in Burlington, Iowa for decades. There's next to nothing in Burlington, and they consistently play in front of crowds of 500-700 people. The Royals stay there because it's a nice park in a good league and a decent place to evaluate talent.

My experience has been that ballpark atmosphere isn't a make or break factor for teams, as long as the minor leaguers involved are provided the best possible environment to play and be evaluated in. But if the weather makes it a tough place to play in April, and the park skews the hitting numbers, then it becomes a developmental problem.

By the way - I can somewhat understand the Giants' reluctance to help finance changes at the ballpark...not that many years ago the Brewers dumped some money into ballpark improvements for the Stockton Ports, in the Cali League, and by the time the improvements were completed the team wasn't even a Brewers affiliate anymore.

Do you mind if I publish this exchange? I think my readers would be interested in seeing it, and we could have this conversation on a broader stage.

KL

And Joe's response:

Sure.

If the Giants claim weather is a problem in developing and evaluating players, get out of the Eastern League. Every team faces the same weather as the Defenders. Why don't the Minnesota Twins and its affiliate in New Britain (an hour away) not complain about weather? Why don't teams further north such as Portland and New Hampshire complain? The problem with Norwich is that its a Giants affiliate and the Giants do nothing but complain.

These are the complaints I hear from the Giants players:
It's too cold
It's too wet
The park is too big
There aren't enough fans

Never do they acknowledge that they failed or could do better.

The park skews hitting numbers is true. Yes, Dodd Stadium is a pitcher's park, but counter why the Yankees won here and it discredits that excuse. Especially when you consider the Yankees' best players while in Norwich were hitters, not pitchers. The only developmental problem in Norwich are the players because San Francisco has no clue what it is doing.

This is where you come in. I've invited Joe to join the conversation here, feel free to share your thoughts.

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Well I started this,....

great exchange between KL and Joe.
The Yankees won at Dodd, after the first season (1995) the fences were moved in, less than 10 feet, the distance between the two levels of billboards and that’s it. Never heard any bitching and complaining about the weather, attendance etc. The Giants have not won since coming back to the EL in 2003. One season at .500 and that’s it.
My feeling is the players somehow have it in their head they can’t hit at Dodd, something the current manager recently backed up. If that manager was with the Yanks he would have been fired. With the Giants, I guess nothing happens. Oddly the team has a winning record at home this season and a losing one at home.
We’re ready for a new org. here

http://gregsconnecticutdefenders.blogspot.com

by greg8370 on May 29, 2008 9:45 PM CDT   0 recs

I think more so then any hitting issues at Dodd is the fact the Giants organization keeps its true prospects from even stepping foot in Norwich, which is quite sad. The Giants have skipped their top talent for the past couple seasons from going to Connecticut. They have either prematurely advanced their prospects to Fresno or kept kids back in San Jose to keep them from the weather or whatever other reasons. Just look at the Giants this season, regardless of your thoughts on their system, Manny Burriss, Brian Bocock, Henry Sosa, Ryan Rohlinger, Pablo Sandoval are all either to high or to low but are being held out of Connecticut. The players you see going to Connecticut are guys who have started to flame out as prospects or overachievers. You could argue the only real prospects at Connecticut are Brad Boyer and Osiris Matos.

I don’t think there is any love lost between the city of Norwich and the San Francisco Giants organization. The Giants have had NOTHING good to say about them for the past couple years.

Yip Cabbage

by Madtown Bomber on May 29, 2008 10:08 PM CDT   0 recs

Brewers to Norwich

As a game attendee at Dodd for several years, I’d like to add my thoughts. The Giants farm system has been lacking from day 1 in Norwich. Other then Tim Lincecum, most of their rated prospects have played here. The big problem is the Giants position player prospects haven’t been that good. Not one of them has left here and gone on to become a stud, or even a reliable regular with the Giants. A most telling stat is the Defenders have led the league, or been close to the lead in strike outs most years. Can’t get a hit if you can’t hit the ball. As far as the spring weather, it’s not any worse here then it is in a lot of other minor league and major league parks.

by thehondohurricane on May 30, 2008 7:46 AM CDT   0 recs

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