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Game Thread #33: Brewers (16-16) at Marlins (18-14)

Mordecai_brown_tiny by Jeff Sackmann on in Game Threads

I can tell the Project-a-Tron is despondent, and what's more, it has lost all sense of reason.  It is forecasting a 0% chance of a Brewers win.  It's possible that the low probability is because I haven't filled anything in the fields for the Brewers lineup, so it thinks the Brewers will score zero runs, but I think it goes deeper than that.

Here's the BR Game Preview, which offers more hope than the estimable Mr. Tron.  Dave Bush is not only better than Jon Lieber, but he gave up one run in six innings last time he faced the Marlins.  He'll be facing Burke Badenhop, who is making his fifth major league start.  He was probably rushed to the majors, and hasn't been very good so far.  He's also a righty, though, so statistically, the Brewers are likely to bat about .000 against him.

Since I'm in a prickly mood, I'll send you over the JS Blog, where the real journalist is sharing the batting order.  These two paragraphs illustrate the difference between slackers like me and the professionals who know how to do their jobs:

Emersed in a four-game skid and an even longer hitting slump, the Brewers are status quo with the batting order. Although, it's not like many changes could be made to fix the problem even though the general consensus with blog posters seems to be moving Weeks out of the leadoff spot.

His average is low. His OBP is low. But he is scoring runs, so that kinda goes a long way ... but for how much longer?

Right-o, buddy.  Blogging = random application of words to text editor.

Go Brewers!

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What's really funny is "emersed" means the exact opposite of "immersed"

Hey Tom, seems to me like the general consensus with blog posters is that you’re a dick.

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on May 7, 2008 3:58 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Hey, we're all dicks here

I don’t discriminate.

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on May 7, 2008 4:06 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

It occurs to me

That if you throw away all the crap he’s written, and keep all the good stuff, he’s a Pulitzer Prize winner.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on May 7, 2008 4:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

(sigh)

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on May 7, 2008 6:09 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Wow

That was very, very poorly written. I mean very poorly written. I mean very, very poorly written.

It sucked.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on May 7, 2008 4:05 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

I think someone disagrees with that comment

"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."

by MadJimiBrewha on May 7, 2008 4:11 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

actually

I think the true Yost comment would’ve been something along the lines of…”You guys have no concept. It is obviously too early in the season to make any conclusions regarding his work today. Once he gets hot that guy will really rake.” Give or take a few of his favorite mannerisms.

"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."

by MadJimiBrewha on May 7, 2008 4:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Game Prediction

I predict that Bush will not give up 4 home runs in the second inning.

He might do it in the first, or the sixth, but not the second.

He's the round mound of profound

by drezdn on May 7, 2008 4:15 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

I'm feeling it guys

David Thomas Bush is going to come back from Nashville a new man, a la Rickie Weeks 2007.

"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."

by MadJimiBrewha on May 7, 2008 4:16 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Maybe he was scared straight?

He's the round mound of profound

by drezdn on May 7, 2008 4:18 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

For his fastball, anyway

straight was the problem.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on May 7, 2008 4:20 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

although...

I may have just misinterpreted my ass.

"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."

by MadJimiBrewha on May 7, 2008 4:20 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

One look at...

Zach Jackson’s stat line should have done it.

by Zeyes on May 7, 2008 6:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

The good and the bad of tonight

On one hand, The Marlins pitcher doesn’t have a ton of major league experience, and the Brewers are due to at least get some runs soon (it’s been what at least 14 innings since we scored one?)

On the other hand, the Brewers haven’t done terribly well against pitchers they haven’t seen before, and Dave Bush never inspires confidence.

He's the round mound of profound

by drezdn on May 7, 2008 4:28 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

The only thing Dave Bush has ever inspired is a mass exodus from the stands…

by lwnexgen on May 7, 2008 5:26 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Pointless stat of the day

Our record right now matches the Cubs at the same point last year.

He's the round mound of profound

by drezdn on May 7, 2008 6:03 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

You know

I was just saying today how this year kind of feels like last year, but with the cubs and brewers flopped (excluding the Cardinals from the equation). If I remember correctly the cubs offense was no where to be found early on and our offense was pretty hot to start the year.

"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."

by MadJimiBrewha on May 7, 2008 6:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Team meeting

Isn’t it a little early to be having those? Though Chuckiehacks called it.

He's the round mound of profound

by drezdn on May 7, 2008 6:07 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

The Marlins pitcher

Have any of the Brewers faced him in the minors, or was he rushed through too quickly?

He's the round mound of profound

by drezdn on May 7, 2008 6:11 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

no quick way of checking

(until I build it, anyway)

but probably not. he skipped AAA entirely (iirc).

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on May 7, 2008 6:12 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Anthony Witrado did an interview on an Appleton area radio station in the 5PM hour.

He mentioned that the clubhouse is pretty tense right now (thanks for the insight). After some prompting, he said that the whole clubhouse has been waiting for Ned to lose it for about a week now. He also said that he’s starting to sense some tension over production (or lack thereof) between Braun and Fielder, not to mention the two of them and the players batting behind them. (Though that makes no sense, since Hart’s occupying the #5 spot and he’s been hitting well, if for little power).

He also mentioned rumors he’s heard about a potential trade between the Brewers and Giants involving Lincecum and Gamel (and one would assume at least one other player wearing a Brewers uni), but he then scoffed at the rumor he just reported saying he didn’t think there was much to it. He also speculated that if things continue like they are, he thinks someone will get canned or a significant trade will occur sometime after May 19th…

FWIW…

"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 7, 2008 6:17 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

thanks for the update

what’s important about may 19th?

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on May 7, 2008 6:18 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I don't know. That's the other part of the interview that didn't make any sense.

He mentioned that they finish the series against the Red Sox on the 18th. The 19th is an off day, but it’s in the middle of a road trip that then continues on to Pittsburgh and Washington. The only thing significance I can see is that it ends our current stretch of series against teams with winning records (on tap are the Cardinals, Dodgers and BoSox). Maybe that’s what he meant. Who knows.

"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 7, 2008 6:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

that's probably about the 50-game mark

but of course it’s arbitrary no matter what.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on May 7, 2008 6:40 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Why May 19?

He's the round mound of profound

by drezdn on May 7, 2008 6:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

my question as well

"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."

by MadJimiBrewha on May 7, 2008 6:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Please let it be Lincecum

Trade the farm for him.

Visit my baseball blog ...or else!

by dixieflatline on May 7, 2008 6:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

yeah, that would be awesome

that rumor doesn’t pass any semblance of a smell test, though.

maybe Gamel AND corey hart.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on May 7, 2008 6:24 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Maybe

Gamel and Sheets?

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on May 7, 2008 6:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Ideally

Gamel and Hardy… I wouldn’t mind losing Hardy

He's the round mound of profound

by drezdn on May 7, 2008 6:31 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

If they got Hardy

where would they put bocock?

by sheeter on May 7, 2008 6:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

move him to center

put that bum rowand on the bench.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on May 7, 2008 6:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

with

that bum Wynn, and that other bum Roberts.

If it weren’t for the Dodgers, the Giants would be leading the league in overpaid CF’s

by sheeter on May 7, 2008 6:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Agreed.

It doesn’t make any sense without something major in addition to Gamel. He didn’t mention where he’d heard the rumor from.

"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 7, 2008 6:31 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Gamel for Lincecum

I know he’s been hot lately, but is Gamel really that good of a prospect to be the principle piece in a deal for Lincecum?

by sheeter on May 7, 2008 6:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Well

Unless if he gets better at third, he’s not very useful to us.

He's the round mound of profound

by drezdn on May 7, 2008 6:24 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

No he's not

and I don’t know of any prospects who are.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on May 7, 2008 6:24 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

ok

that’s kindof what I was thinking…

by sheeter on May 7, 2008 6:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Gary Glover sighting

Apparently he’s been pitching out of the bullpen for Tampa Bay, until he got hurt anyway.

by sheeter on May 7, 2008 6:25 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Awww

you gotta be kidding me

Lordz Of Vengeance....And now I am here. Drunk, and predicting a loss.

by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 7, 2008 6:27 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

  • MUCH MUCH cleaner than what I actually said.

Lordz Of Vengeance....And now I am here. Drunk, and predicting a loss.

by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 7, 2008 6:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I love Corey

but wow! wow! wow!

by Braunstalker on May 7, 2008 6:27 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

darn

these Marlins are playing awesome in the field right now

Good time for Prince's fifth homer

by molitorfan on May 7, 2008 6:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Can we put

one of those beepers that trucks have for backing up on Fielder that goes off anytime he runs.

"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."

by MadJimiBrewha on May 7, 2008 6:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

best idea of the year so far

Good time for Prince's fifth homer

by molitorfan on May 7, 2008 6:36 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Here's the thing that caught me about the Witrado interview...

... not that we didn’t already know it. There’s a cliche in sports, which I really think has some truth to it, that teams often take on the personality of their manager. Yost is uptight, overly-sensitive, tense, and dismissive of those who disagree with him from all appearances. Is it a coincidence that a team of young players (mostly) appears to be tense and uptight? I hate to break out the “pressing” comment, but it’s been a while since I saw somebody crack a smile in the dugout. None of them look relaxed at the plate or otherwise. That doesn’t control the situation entirely and it doesn’t prevent hitting slumps etc. from being cyclical and prone to regression to the mean over time, but I don’t think the extra tension helps once things start to go bad, particularly with this many young players at the heart of the lineup.

"He just needs to eat some bananas." - Lou Piniella

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 7, 2008 6:45 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

in that regard...

Yost is about as un-Cox like as possible.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on May 7, 2008 6:46 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

the context isn't awesome

but it is awesome that Helms is pinch running.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on May 7, 2008 6:57 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

...

he was supposed to take that pitch…

by UWbrewball on May 7, 2008 6:58 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Gameday users?

So was that 3-2 pitch on Ramirez a strike?

He's the round mound of profound

by drezdn on May 7, 2008 6:58 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

If we get shut out again

Yost is fired by the weekend.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on May 7, 2008 7:05 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Trade him for prospects?

Maybe Counsell could take over as manager and then we wouldn’t have to worry about his crazy contract.

He's the round mound of profound

by drezdn on May 7, 2008 7:07 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Actually...

I was wondering if Counsell might be the additional piece to that Gamel-Lincecum trade. They love themselves some veterans in the Giants organization.

by Zeyes on May 7, 2008 7:09 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Counsell's contract is insane

He’s inline for something like 9 million next year. IIRC, he has to be paid it if he is traded.

He's the round mound of profound

by drezdn on May 7, 2008 7:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Ummm...no

The entire contract could be for $9 million, though. Per Cot:

2 years/$6M (2007-08), plus $3.4M 2009 club option

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on May 7, 2008 7:15 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Ugg

I misremembered something from BP

“If traded, Counsell’s $3.4 million club option for 2009 becomes a 2.8 million player option”

He's the round mound of profound

by drezdn on May 7, 2008 7:32 PM CDT