Game Thread #35: Cardinals (22-14) at Brewers (16-18)
by Jeff Sackmann on May 9, 2008 5:28 PM CDT
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PrintWe're not 24-10. But hey, neither are the Cardinals!
If you go back through the game threads I've posted for Brewers/Cards games over the last year or so, you'll find a lot of comments to the effect of, "There's no way this converted reliever is this good." I am officially done making such comments. I still kind of believe it, but...I don't know. Dave Duncan: You win this round.
Todd Wellemeyer, one of the many guys who should probably tithe 50% of his future earnings to the Church of Duncan, starts for the Cards against Manny Parra, who right now isn't convincing me he's going to have much in the way of future earnings.
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Go Brewers!
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If the Brewers game gets to depressing
Make sure to check out the Sounds game tonight….
Mark DiFelice is the starting pitcher.
If he looks good, I wouldn’t be surprised if he got a shot. On the other hand I heard Melvin suggested McClung might get a shot in the rotation. With McClung doing pretty well in the long reliever spot, I really think we’d be better off leaving him there though.
He's the round mound of profound
Agreed, on both counts.
The thought of McClung starting makes me nervous, though I suppse he could go 4 innings and give up 5-7 runs, which is about on par with a lot of the guys we’re running out there right now.
Go Brewers!
Doug, please fire Ned.
Love,
Everyone.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 9, 2008 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
He doesn't look ready to be a starter to me
but he hasn’t given up many runs. Take out Cincy and he’s got 7 appearances, 13 innings and 2 earned runs. Of course its not completely fair to take out the clinker.
Me neither.
But frankly Bush and Villy don’t look ready to be starters right now either.
Doug, please fire Ned.
Love,
Everyone.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 9, 2008 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
if there's any chance he'd be good as a starter
I’d be open to trying him.
If you mean that “he looks good as a long reliever, but not good enough to transition to starting,” then it makes sense. If you mean, “he looks good as a long reliever and we need somebody good in the long reliever spot,” I beg to differ—if he’d be any improvement at all over bush/parra/whoever as a starter, I’d rather give McC the shot at the rotation and put Bush or whoever in the garbage innings.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on May 9, 2008 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Richie Sexson got whacked.
Six game suspension for rushing the mound. That seems like a lot to me, though maybe I’m wrong on that. Maybe they tacked on a couple of games because the ball wasn’t actually anywhere near him.
Doug, please fire Ned.
Love,
Everyone.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 9, 2008 6:48 PM CDT reply actions
there may be some suspension inflation going on, too
it’s a foregone conclusion that he’ll protest, and it’ll be reduced. So a 6-gamer is the only way to ensure he’ll get 3 or 4.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on May 9, 2008 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
That and sissy punishment
My guess is Bud was embarrassed at the brawl and tacked on a few more games for his sissy throw of his helmet.
I was at a store today and they showed the highlights of Richie, everyone laughed at him, he looked more a tool then a bad ass.
Who among us
would not have wanted to charge the mound at the sight of watching the putrid Brewers baseball of the last 6 games? Seattle has been just as bad lately. Now imagine that you were living and breathing it every day in the clubhouse and on the team plane and bus. In addition imagine that you were grossly under performing at your job? I understand why he charged the mound. Still, the pitch wasn’t close to him and the helmet chuck was rookie league.
How many games in a row
has the opposition scored in the first? I think its 3 or 4 but it feels like 15
Can't pitch Gagne in rain. He’s like the B-2 bomber of baseball.--TheJay
in other words
doesn’t matter who scores first. we still suck.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on May 9, 2008 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Meanwhile...
The milb.com front page is pushing the Sounds game with the headline “Nashville’s DiFelice has it all under control”, sigh. I liked it better when we only had to feel bad for Nashville being on a seemingly never-ending losing streak…
don't worry
with jackson and turnbow in the pen, they’ll start losing again.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on May 9, 2008 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions
LaPorta with an RBI double in the first inning
Hey, I think this guy is pretty good.
He's extremely quick and good.
And Brevard with a Brewers-style score...
5-5 against the Tampa Yankees and they’re only through three innings.
West Virginia put up five in the first against Hagerstown
They won 9-4 in 7 innings (they’re playing a doubleheader today, both seven-inning games). Pretty much every notable hitter had a good day for the Power, with the possible exception of Brent Brewer, who went 1-4 with a run. Brewer is sinking fast.
He's extremely quick and good.
c'mon boys
let’s strand some runners!
(ok, i’m done being cynical for the night. it’s not really my style.)
Also, cheese.
felt pretty familiar thats for sure
Can't pitch Gagne in rain. He’s like the B-2 bomber of baseball.--TheJay
107 is his max this year
And only twice has be been over 100. So we might get into the bullpen early today. I am not sure that is a good thing though.
by dixieflatline on May 9, 2008 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Trenni talking about mixing up the lineup
If anyone was hitting then you could do that but really nobody is hitting right now.
I initially read that as
“If anyone was hitting that” and thought we were getting the Trenni jokes started early tonight…
Okay. Game on.
Lordz Of Vengeance....And now I am here. Drunk, and predicting a loss.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 9, 2008 7:31 PM CDT reply actions
now Ned's going to the Pixie Dust
Trenni, how could you laugh at that? Come on
Can't pitch Gagne in rain. He’s like the B-2 bomber of baseball.--TheJay
Question.
What day of the week did the Crew wear the throwbacks last year?
Lordz Of Vengeance....And now I am here. Drunk, and predicting a loss.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 9, 2008 7:34 PM CDT reply actions
thanks
Lordz Of Vengeance....And now I am here. Drunk, and predicting a loss.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 9, 2008 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought it was Sunday
but I live in NC so what do I know?
Can't pitch Gagne in rain. He’s like the B-2 bomber of baseball.--TheJay
He got out of it without allowing a run!
After allowing only two runs!
He's extremely quick and good.
I am glad someone else brought this up
Maddux sure gets a lot of good press but the last year and now this year is he really producing?
by dixieflatline on May 9, 2008 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe
we should have traded Parra after his perfect game. Either way he belongs in AAA right now.
This inning really shows the power of the walk
The two singles were not hit all that well but the HBP and the two walks mized in means two runs. We can’t keep being out walked every single night like this.
How many of Bill's AB have gone like that?
Watch the first pitch called strike and then end the AB by swinging at one waaaaaay out of the zone?
Normally
a 3 run deficit doesn’t worry me. Now it feels like a 10 run abyss.
And the pitchers that have shut us down
by dixieflatline on May 9, 2008 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions
The thing that surprised me the most about that
was the strikeouts. Badenhop is a huge groundballer, so I could see getting shutdown after a barrage of groundouts to short—but seven strikeouts? Come on, guys.
He's extremely quick and good.
I'm hallucinating
a season turnaround ala Houston’s 15-30 record during their WS year. But I’m pretty sure we’re gonna need Lincecum for that to happen. Maybe Cain too.
Weird stat I just though up
If this inning both teams go scoreless, this will be 4 games in a row the Brewers are down 3-0 exactly after 3.
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
Remember that time Ryan Braun took second on a walk?
Good times. I miss those.
He's extremely quick and good.
I remember
when 16-12 was unsatisfying. Don’t even know what to call this team right now.
It sure looks like Parra can't locate his curve
A ton of curves way up in the zone. That is just asking for trouble.
I feel like such an idiot
Calling our last win the best of the season, 4-3 vs the Cubs… when in fact it was probably the worst, losing Gallardo, and truly the beginning of a bad streak of luck
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
Huntsville is a run factory
- Michael Brantley walks.
- With Alcides Escobar batting, Michael Brantley steals (11) 2nd base.
- With Alcides Escobar batting, Michael Brantley advances to 3rd on a balk.
- Alcides Escobar out on a sacrifice fly to right fielder Cyle Hankerd. Michael Brantley scores.
Wish we could do stuff like that.
He's extremely quick and good.
Ok Kendall then top of the order
Wellemeyer’s stuff suggests he could be had the second time through.
I'm looking forward to he shot of Ned
where he looks like he’s about to have a stroke or explode one of those cheezy looking crowns on his teeth
Who's drinking?
As my mom would say, I’m gonna get psoriasis of the liver.
He's extremely quick and good.
Just finished munching on miscellaneous – I like to wait so as not to waste the alcohol effect.
I dug through the miscellaneous bottles of what not, and I found a bottle of wine that must have been a gift – Pink Truck
just. chip. away.
Lordz Of Vengeance....And now I am here. Drunk, and predicting a loss.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 9, 2008 8:23 PM CDT reply actions
So here is something shocking
Wellemeyer has thrown more pitches than Parra right now. While this probably is the last inning for Manny maybe we can really get to Wellemeyer here quickly.
While I hate to disagree with Ski
Wellemeyer’s fastball doesn’t move in all that much. And to disagree with Rock, it also isn’t very heavy.
83 pitches I think you kind of have too
He is past Pujols too so that helps. Still I hate seeing our guys fall behind him.
by dixieflatline on May 9, 2008 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I wonder if this move is Ned's way of pressing
We aren’t scoring a lot here and maybe he thinks we need the extra AB.
They gave it to wellemeyer
When the ball is in the dirt they never give it to the first baseman.
by dixieflatline on May 9, 2008 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
Their defense is terrible. Maybe you try to run here. Or bunt with Kendall? I don’t like that idea but Ned might.
I think it's a good idea
Young pitcher, struggling recently, might as well end on a good note after retiring 9 straight to hopefully build some confidence off of for the next start.
"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."
That pitch was a little tight
glad he didn’t pull a sexson
"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."
At least Rickie got a nice double
I’m trying to be positive
Can't pitch Gagne in rain. He’s like the B-2 bomber of baseball.--TheJay
So we are winning the hit battle 4 to 3
And they have 3 errors. Yet somehow they have scored one more run.
I love Prince
He is my favorite player but he is not getting it done with the bat right now. He needs to get that one.
by dixieflatline on May 9, 2008 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions
does anyone else sense a negative relationship between Ned and the world
Whenever prince is at first, he should charge the mound and yell "MEAT!"
The last year thing, him being screwed by batting in the 7 hole in an arby year, and the far-fetched inference that the twisted, nauseous look on Nedly’s face happened after JJ’s error.
Cole Gillespie just homered for Huntsville
Man, including Gamel, that’s three corner outfielders with almost-ready bats that have nowhere to play on the big club.
He's extremely quick and good.
Well of the three Gillespie still has the most to show me
by dixieflatline on May 9, 2008 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions
He has by far the least power of the three
But you have to remember he was playing at Brevard and in the FSL last year. He’s slugging .509 now this year the year, plus he has excellent plate discipline.
He's extremely quick and good.
Ankiel
If I remember correctly after his arm surgery the cards didn’t protect him on the 40 man roster for a rule 5 draft. Too bad someone didn’t pick him up.
you remember correctly
“someone” wouldn’t mind having him, esp. now that he’s showing he can play center.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on May 9, 2008 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I was thinking Brewers
and I hope we can still tell the difference!
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on May 9, 2008 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions
What's funny is that he'd probably be the fourth-best corner outfielder in our system
He's extremely quick and good.
I don't think any other team would have given him a chance
To pick up the bat… probably would have picked him up thinking pitching… and try to build his confidence, get him a physiciatrist and get him to major league form again
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
Also Molina is slower than dirt
I was talking with some people a while back about which Molina was the slowest. We decided it went Yadier, Jose, then Benji in that order but now I am not sure.
Damn
There’s a thing on the Brewers site where you can win tickets by choosing the right sausage for each game (and then getting picked)... I kept going Hot Dog, because hot dog hadn’t won once. Then I got fed up with Hot Dog losing and moved on. That day hot dog won.
He's the round mound of profound
Did anyone else see that graphic
That said Laporta was in AAA, I thought he was still in Huntsville
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
Did Bill say he couldn't remember the last time Braun and Fielder had consecutive hits?
Because it was in the first inning…
He's extremely quick and good.
haha.. well maybe he didn't count Braun's "hit"
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
Bill says the last thing you want to have happen is the Cardinals go for a DP
“Because that virtually ends the inning”
Uh, and ties the game, numb nuts.
He's extremely quick and good.
All Braun has to do is hold and then run when they go for the DP and he scores
Happens all the time.
He's extremely quick and good.
And boom goes the dynamite
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
yes
why ruin a perfect sports week? I get to watch my favorite hockey team lose to their biggest rivals. Awesome.
time for a glass of
“hey, maybe the a’s are playing tonight”
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on May 9, 2008 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Could I trouble Bill for a warm glass of...
oh, you guys know the rest.
He's extremely quick and good.
I am going to the liquor store across the street to get some alcohol...
Thank god I don’t live in Milwaukee where they stop selling it at 9… I am honestly going, I hope I don’t come back and it is 7-2
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
When I went to the AFL, I made sure to stay in the shade at all times
I looked like Spider-man, walking around hugging the walls.
He's extremely quick and good.
Ah Trenni
Yost didn’t say yes but didn’t say no about McClung starting. Did Yost grunt? Snort? Baby talk maybe?
top of the order for the Cards in the 8th
Even if we don’t score here it will be interesting to see who Ned goes with for the 8th. Stetter to start maybe? He can’t face Pujols though.
Weeks
I don’t think he can hit with runners on
"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."
Apparently
we will tie the Pirates if things don’t go well here. That’s some sad news.
I don't know what the big deal is
All guys in their 40s have aches and pains
by Marty McSuperFly on May 9, 2008 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Can I get an over under on his age?
Are we going to have a Tejada moment in the next few seasons with Albert?
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
lol... I hear roids has some detrimental effects
Hey, I expect to see you hear when Bulldog pitches.
I just figured out what makes
LaRussa so smart. He uses common sense.
INCONCEIVABLE!
Lordz Of Vengeance....And now I am here. Drunk, and predicting a loss.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 9, 2008 9:37 PM CDT reply actions
Also
By this point of the game, he’s eyes-deep in brandy
by Marty McSuperFly on May 9, 2008 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions
To quote Simmons...
Its like he’s choosing to do it with an added degree of difficulty.
Lordz Of Vengeance....And now I am here. Drunk, and predicting a loss.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 9, 2008 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions
and I’m up to my ears in vodka.
Lordz Of Vengeance....And now I am here. Drunk, and predicting a loss.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 9, 2008 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Look at the bright side
Isringhausen is about as effective as a certain closer from some team with a bear as a mascot and our very own master of the 9th.
"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."
I hope
Sparky Pfeiffer gets some sleep soon.
Lordz Of Vengeance....And now I am here. Drunk, and predicting a loss.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 9, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions
Positive of a lose?
That way Sparky from 1250 will die from lack of sleep so he can stop yammering about nothing all the time?
He's not even from here
He doesn’t care. He just wants to be as loud and get as much attention as possible.
He's extremely quick and good.
c'mon
Lordz Of Vengeance....Just Win, Baby.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 9, 2008 9:49 PM CDT reply actions
Just enough to perk our hopes...
"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."
they are just playing with our emotions
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
Weeks
first pitch pop up to 2nd?
"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."
now i know this pitch is a ball
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
oh Rickie
just once for me.
Lordz Of Vengeance....Just Win, Baby.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 9, 2008 9:53 PM CDT reply actions
Take a walk
Lordz Of Vengeance....Just Win, Baby.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 9, 2008 9:54 PM CDT reply actions
PATIENCE
Don’t pull a Mench like last year and swing at the first crappy pitch when you can’t hit the zone.
I am predicting a....
HBP
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
no way
my mlbtv hasnt shown it yet
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
Holy Crap
"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."
i cant wait
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
RICKIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lordz Of Vengeance....Just Win, Baby.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 9, 2008 9:55 PM CDT reply actions
RICKIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lordz Of Vengeance....Just Win, Baby.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 9, 2008 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
RICKIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lordz Of Vengeance....Just Win, Baby.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 9, 2008 9:55 PM CDT reply actions
Turning point of the year!!!
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
Great Gagne impression
"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."
Seriously
We need this… will be out at the game tomorrow and can’t wait to start the winning streak!
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
I had an invite
to watch the game in a bar in the village with some cards fans …
...kinda wish I had accepted :).
Also, cheese.
unless you're prepared to make an argument for matt capps
it’s just a war of attrition at this point.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on May 9, 2008 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Shouse
Now has more wins then all of our starters not named Sheets.
He's the round mound of profound
Wow
Did Rickie ever need that hit and the did the Crew ever need that win
Can't pitch Gagne in rain. He’s like the B-2 bomber of baseball.--TheJay
so...
that is what winning feels like, I had forgotten.
killjoy
Doug, please fire Ned.
Love,
Everyone.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 9, 2008 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
RICKIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lordz Of Vengeance....Just Win, Baby.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 9, 2008 10:02 PM CDT reply actions
I'll be at the game tomorrow.
Tailgating at noon
Lordz Of Vengeance....Just Win, Baby.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 9, 2008 10:03 PM CDT reply actions
Always
Lordz Of Vengeance....Just Win, Baby.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 9, 2008 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions
url doesn't take me to a post - only to the thread
I can see the post number, but can’t figure out which one it is
Thank goodness
for a closer playing worse than Gagne!
"My thing is that you guys eat meat all day and you can't hit a ball. That's my thing." - P. Fielder
Should I beat up Leitch if I see him tomorrow?
Lordz Of Vengeance....Just Win, Baby.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 9, 2008 10:09 PM CDT reply actions
Negative.
I had to work until 6:45 in Mequon. I thought about it, but decided against it.
Lordz Of Vengeance....Just Win, Baby.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 9, 2008 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Just happy to feel good after a game for a change
Can't pitch Gagne in rain. He’s like the B-2 bomber of baseball.--TheJay
Weird
The Twins just beat Boston in pretty much the same way. Down by a run, 2 outs, runners on 2nd and 3rd…game-winning base hit to left for a home walkoff win.
Yeah, I watched it live
I love mlb.tv. Carlos Gomez is really, really fast.
He's extremely quick and good.
I was there
Papelbon was aware of baserunners but you know how he is with pickoffs, and Varitek would have had no chance whatsoever.
Now that’s no excuse for letting Delmon Young run all over the place….
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