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Thursday's Plastic Cup is Hurting

The Cup would be longer today, but I'm suffering from repetitive stress injuries and am listed as day-to-day.

It's not the biggest injury in the NL Central now, or even in the Brewers middle infield, but JJ Hardy is unlikely to play today after tweaking the shoulder he had surgery on earlier in the year.

It wouldn't be a Plastic Cup without an unwanted mention of the lineup, so: Corey's happy that he could run more in the leadoff spot.  The highlight of the article is this Ned sighting:

"Why would it open up his running game? His running game is already open," Yost said. "The only guarantee he is going to have is an open base is the first inning, so, no. The law of averages say that he is going to be on base as many times with guys on as with guys not on."

I think Ned is trying to say something intelligent here, and getting closer than we'd expect, but still not very close.  Hart may not lead off every inning he bats, but the odds are pretty high that, coming up after the #8 and #9 hitters, he'll have no one ahead of him on the basepaths.

Mike Fast posted an interesting Pitch f/x study at The Hardball Times this morning.  He looks at the effects of pitchers working quickly.  One unsurprising side note: Ben Sheets is the fastest worker on the Brewers staff.  Mike doesn't give us a complete list, but it looks like Sheets is one of the fastest in the majors, too.

And speaking of Pitch f/x, Josh has published his web-based pitch tool with 2008 data.  Now you can look at all kinds of cool matchup stuff.  I'm sure you can do something cooler than what I just came up with, but here are the locations of the five pitches from LHPs that Prince cranked out of the park.

Now, on to the carnage in the NL Central.

Alfonso Soriano has a broken hand, and will likely be out for six weeks.  It may or may not be Murton time, but it will definitely be downgrade time.  Cwyers looks at the projected difference.

Also at Goat Riders, Colin points out the trade rumors that the Cubs could go after Sabathia.  The Brewers have been linked with Sabathia before, too, though I think that was purely speculation.  I would imagine that as the Indians fall in the standings, every team above .500 will be linked with Sabathia.  But I'm with Olney here (it's sentences like that that aggravate my RSI)--it wouldn't surprise me if Jim Hendry is willing to be the highest bidder.

As you probably know, Albert Pujols is now on the DL, too.  I'm not sure what's worse--losing your star for 6 weeks, or losing your star for an unknown period of time.  At least Soriano ought to be healed on schedule and shouldn't have lingering effects; Pujols is another story.  Cardinals Diaspora reflects on the surprising season in St. Louis so far, and wonders if this news is the end of it.

I'm playing injured, and you still got a full-length Cup.  How's that for GRIT?

Game time today is 1:05 CT, and if you check back after the game, there will be another draft pick interview courtesy of intrepid BCB reporter-in-the-field Battlekow.

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way to power through that, eckstein jeff. you’re a true grinder.

by MooseHaas on Jun 12, 2008 8:55 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tons of goodies on the interweb

It truly is a great age to be a baseball fan. On to the injuries. I really hope this J.J. injury isn’t something they wait two days and then DL him. We are really short on quality middle infielders right now and need to figure out exactly how long J.J. is going to be down for. Would people rather see Hall there or Counsell there in the mean time? If Counsell, Hall at second or Hernan at second?

As for Soriano while this injury won’t help the cubs I just don’t see it hurting them too much either. Murton is a pretty solid player if he is the one called up and their lineup is very strong with or without him. Probably the biggest issue will be for their interleague series on the road coming up. Their best bench player will probably already be playing in the field so they will have to go a little deeper .

Pujols’ injury is obviously a much bigger thing. It will be interesting to see if Tony keeps the pitcher 8th since the reasoning is supposed to be get more guys on for Pujols. My guess is he will but something to watch. The Cards have some bats that look really good right now but not the track record so without Pujols their offense could really dip. Their pitchers are hurting as well. If they make the playoffs this year LaRussa should get manager of the year.

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by dixieflatline on Jun 12, 2008 9:14 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There whole roster is en fuego. I wonder if anyone on the roster is hitting below the top range of his PECOTA.

by ol Pete on Jun 12, 2008 10:10 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cubs aren't even calling up Murton.

They’re calling up Micah Hoffpauir and Eric Patterson.

by cwyers on Jun 12, 2008 11:10 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

RE: Sabathia

How many top flight prospects do the Cubs have? During the great Roberts Rumorfest it seemed like they were hard pressed to come up with the talent for Brian Roberts.

by Getting Yosted on Jun 12, 2008 9:17 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cubs are lucky

they didn’t make that Roberts trade. The suspects they were offering: Murton may now be the left fielder, Cedeno is having a great year, Gallagher is in the rotation and pretty good. DeRosa is hot, and Roberts is having a down year. As far as Sabathia, I don’t know if they can offer enough, but Cedeno’s and Gallagher’s trade values are higher now than before the season. Sean Marshall could be dangled and Rich Hill might even be available now.

by CarolDunc on Jun 12, 2008 9:31 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I believe the

Cubs are recalling Hoffpauir and Eric Patterson to fill some spots.

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by Lou In Blue on Jun 12, 2008 10:28 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Top-flight? Not many.

There’s Vitters, who won’t be a part of any deal. There’s Soto, who definately won’t be part of any deal. Beyond that I don’t think there’s a blue chipper in the organization – MAYBE Gallagher.

But the Cubs do have a solid amount of second/third tier prospects. It’s not an elite farm system, but there’s a sizable amount of pitching depth and it’s not a barren wasteland like the Mets.

I’m having a hard to figuring out what Sabathia’s trade value is as a three-month rental, and outside of a generic need for “people who hit baseballs” I’m really not sure what the Indians would want. My gut feeling is that the Cubs have the pieces to do a deal, but I’d greatly prefer to do it without trading Gallagher. Of course, the Red Sox have also been linked to Sabathia, and they can obviously blow any offer the Cubs make out of the water if they really want to.

by cwyers on Jun 12, 2008 10:59 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How about Murton?

I get the feeling that he doesn’t get much love in Chicago.

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by roguejim on Jun 12, 2008 11:32 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He doesn't.

I honestly have no idea what Murton’s trade value is – he’s obviously too old to be a prospect, and the fact that he’s stayed in Iowa both times Soriano has been injured says a lot about how the Cubs organization views him.

The Indians are a club in need of offense, though, and Murton could likely provide a modest upgrade over what they’re using at LF/RF/1B/DH these days. The Cubs are probably willing to deal him, and he’s cheap with a few club control years. But I don’t think he’s the centerpiece to the deal – I think the conversation will start with some of the Cubs’ young pitching, and maybe move to include Murton as a complimentary piece.

by cwyers on Jun 12, 2008 11:54 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What's the prevailing attitude about Donnie Veal these days?

Stagnated power lefties seem like attractive throw-ins.

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Jun 12, 2008 12:06 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's doing better than last season, but the walk rate is still too high.

Some people are inclined to see him as a late-inning reliever, other as a potential 2-3 starter, depending on the breaks.

by cwyers on Jun 12, 2008 12:31 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

While you are here

Is anyone over in Cub-land concerned about reliever usage, or what happens if one of your top four goes down with an injury?

by Getting Yosted on Jun 12, 2008 12:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

three month rentals

I’m having a hard to figuring out what Sabathia’s trade value is as a three-month rental

i think the three month rentals like sabathia are exactly what you’d get with 2nd/3rd tier prospects. so it seems like the cubs would be a good match.

if i’m the indians i definitely consider murton, pie, or even marshall straight up for sabathia, then you toss in someone young with a lot of upside, and i’d pull the trigger. give me major league ready pre-arby talent (way undervalued) and some upside with a lot of risk, and i’m all over it, worth way more than the comp picks.

sort of like the inman (upside) thatcher (ml-ready) trade for linebrink.

are the indians in no position to offer an extension?

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by jacob on Jun 12, 2008 4:51 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Steve Garrison ain’t exactly chopped mock liver.

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Jun 12, 2008 4:59 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pujols

The most depressing thing for me about the Pujols injury is that IIRC, the Cards haven’t played very many games against the Cubs yet, and now they’ll be doing it without their best player.

I don’t think Soriano being out will hurt the Cubs much.

If Hardy goes to the DL, please bring up Escobar immediately.

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by drezdn on Jun 12, 2008 9:30 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agreed

i’d love to see escobar in there

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by Michael M on Jun 12, 2008 9:34 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

soriano

a friend of mine said the same thing about the soriano loss not hurting the cubs and I tink that’s redicilous. yes, they have plenty of guys who can pick up the slack, but of course it’s going to hurt them. He’s played incredibly well since coming off the DL earlier in the year. I was at a couple games in wrigley this year that they probably would not have one without him in there.

as for escobar, i would love to see him up if JJ goes on the DL. Not only am i not thrilled about the prospect of Hall and Counsell manning 2nd and SS on daily basis, it would also give us some flexibility with not playing branyan at 3rd every day, too. if the brewers don’t want to start escobar’s clock this early, i wouldn’t mind seeing a cirillo or graffanino signing either. what’s graffy up to these days, anyway?

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by SunglassesAtNight on Jun 12, 2008 9:41 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he was hurt last year

and i think is out until the all start break this year but he remains, to my knowledge, unsigned

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by Michael M on Jun 12, 2008 9:57 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

i don’t think he’s anywhere. I wasn’t sure if was still injured or just unsigned

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- Ned Yost

by SunglassesAtNight on Jun 12, 2008 10:16 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I will throw some cold water around

Mat Gamel is stuck at AA because he has 15 errors so far this year, and needs to work on his defense. Escobar has 13. Either he has Rickie Weeks disease where he makes all the spectacular plays and boots the easy ones, or the scorers in the Southern League are a bunch of pricks and giving him errors on balls he has no business being near. We just may be better off with Counsell/Hall at SS if Escobar doesn’t have the mental discipline to make the routine plays. While it may be fun to watch having a mini Wizard of Oz, it will hurt the team if he can’t make the plays he is supposed to make.

by Getting Yosted on Jun 12, 2008 9:55 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

From what I have read he makes a lot of errors because he gets to a huge number of balls

Maybe better discretion on when to just hold the ball when you make a play at the edge of your range is needed. Even the year he had 40+ errors in A ball people were raving about his defense. Sadly he is one of the brewers prospects I haven’t seen play so I can’t give a first hand viewpoint.

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by dixieflatline on Jun 12, 2008 10:53 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dan Fox's SFR...

...are available for last season for minor league players. Presuming you’re referring to Alcides Escobar, he was a plus defensive shortstop by that rating. FWIW.

by cwyers on Jun 12, 2008 11:04 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

RSI

I don’t know if yours is due to keyboard use, but using a Dvorak layout is great in my opinion. You don’t need any new equipment. There are all sorts of odd stats to compare as well, like distance in finger travel. And hey, its modern and scientific whereas Qwerty is 19th century!

by ol Pete on Jun 12, 2008 9:57 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ned Ned Ned

Someday, a reporter will make a statement, and Ned will say “yeah, I agree with that.”

Hope I’ll be alive to see it.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Jun 12, 2008 10:07 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ha!

At the bottom of the Hardy injury article, it is noted that Kendall’s last home run came last summer against our old friend Victor Santos.

by Jordan M on Jun 12, 2008 10:27 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

More on Sabathia

My impression is the Indians will look to move him sooner rather than later if they keep playing poorly. They know they aren’t going to get a top prospect if they wait until the deadline so I wouldn’t be surprised to see him moved before the ASB.

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by dixieflatline on Jun 12, 2008 10:59 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here's the full list of Brewers

Those with 10+ innings pitched on June 5.

Ben Sheets 18.4
David Bush 20.9
Yovani Gallardo 22.0
Manny Parra 22.2
Carlos Villanueva 22.4
Jeff Suppan 23.3

Brian Shouse 21.3
David Riske 22.9
Seth McClung 23.4
Salomon Torres 23.6
Eric Gagne 25.9
Guillermo Mota 26.4

by Mike Fast on Jun 12, 2008 11:07 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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