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Rumorville: Prince Fielder

The New York Post has a lot to say about the Brewers this morning.

  1. First, they mention the Brewers are possible in the C. C. Sabathia sweepstakes, along with the Cubs.  "And keep an eye on Milwaukee," an AL talent evaluator said. "They have a loaded Double-A team and are prioritizing a starting pitcher."  Sounds like wishful thinking to me.
  2. Assuming we don't trade LaPorta or Gamel for Sabathia (dear God), it'd seem that we'd need to make room for them on the major league club sooner or later.  Other teams are starting to figure that out, which means all eyes are turning to Prince:

Want a surprise name that could come in the market, maybe before July 31, but almost definitely in the offseason when the Mets New York Mets and Yanks could be hunting first basemen: Milwaukee's Prince Fielder. Milwaukee is blessed with a lot of offensive-centric players who could switch to first (Ryan Braun in the majors, Matt LaPorta or Mat Gamel nearly ready at Double-A). Mainly, Fielder is a Scott Boras client who almost certainly will not sign a long-term contract and the Brewers could decide his greatest value is in dealing him sooner than later while his value is highest and cost to them lowest. The Dodgers, Twins and Royals also could have interest.

"It's not something I am exploring," Brewers GM Doug Melvin said. "But I never rule out anything. The day I traded Carlos Lee, I went to work with no plans whatsoever to do it, and by midnight he was a Texas Ranger."

Here's a non-Brewers item you might be interested in, too, from the same article:

New Reds GM Walt Jocketty has told counterparts he wants to clean house, notably of free-agent-to-be outfielders Ken Griffey Jr. and Adam Dunn, plus Ryan Freel and - in the right deal -starter Bronson Arroyo.

 

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It is the kind of deal that the Brewers have painted themselves into with their pursuit of defensively challenged players. There comes a point where you really have no choice but to trade some of your 1B/DH/LF types for weaknesses at other positions.

Whether it is dealing Prince, trading LaPorta for Sabathia, or whatever is beyond the point that they cannot play three-four 1B (Fielder, Gamel, LaPorta, arguably Braun..though he looks ok in LF) unless MLB suddenly changes the rules to more closely resemble slow-pitch softball.

In his Gold Mine book this spring, Bill James talked about how the Brewers were a very poorly constucted team, even though they had some talent/strong assets, with the end result being a big hunk-o-averageness (which we have seen this year).

They need a future CF badly. They may need a 3B depending on what you think of Hall’s future. They may need a C depending on what you think of Salome. They may need starting pitching, especially if they can’t afford Sheets (or aren’t willing to take the risk). Trading some combination of Fielder, LaPorta, or Gamel is really their only option IMO.

by badgermaniac on Jun 15, 2008 12:41 PM CDT   0 recs

Future CF may be TGjr. I know that he is one of those guys fans are divided on, but I’ve heard Melvin talk as if its a good possibility as well as saying he has refused trade offers repeatedly. Money and the fielding coach in Huntsville think that Gamel can play third. They just drafted a guy who may end up being the catcher of the future. I would think that Kendall will catch another year, so no decision has to be made.

They are going to need another starter or two. I don’t know enough about the minor league pitchers to hazard a guess whether any of them would be able to contribute next year. Narron maybe? I’d love it if Sheets would sign for a year or two, because I think that’s the only way the Brewers can sign him. If he goes for a max contract including years, he’s going to get a nutty amount. I’d hate it if they rented C.C. for a couple months and gave up something significant, definitely not Fielder or LaPorta. Also, LaPorta, Gamel and Escobar are all young. They don’t have to do anything with them this year or next.

They have other prospects who would be talked about more if the Brewers didn’t have guys raking like crazy in the minors.

by ol Pete on Jun 15, 2008 4:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What about Corey Hart in CF?

To a lay person (me) he seems like he has the range, the glove, and the arm to do it…

by warwick5s on Jun 15, 2008 5:24 PM CDT   0 recs

I think it's likely

Given our troubles in finding an everyday centerfielder, and the disappointing season Cameron’s had so far, it’d be hard to not put Hart in center in 2009.* Plus, right field might be a good place to stash LaPorta.

*assuming there aren’t better FA options, that is.

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by roguejim on Jun 15, 2008 5:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The league seems to slalivate

over Corey a bit. I assume, this is because they think he can stick in center.

by Braunstalker on Jun 15, 2008 5:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not much for FA options

Rocco Baldelli (27)
Mike Cameron (36) – $10MM club option for ‘09 with a $750K buyout
Jim Edmonds (39)
Jacque Jones (34)
Mark Kotsay (33)
Corey Patterson (29)

..............yuck yuck and more yuck

Brewers fan lost in South Carolina.

by SCBrewer on Jun 16, 2008 8:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Question...

I am an offensive guy by nature in terms of my preferences, but how many games do we need to see this team blow on the defensive side of the ball before we realize that some of these dreams of a lineup of Gamel, Braun, Fielder, Hart, and LaPorta all in the same lineup just isn’t going to happen (of if it does, how many games will we lose on defense)?

I am not averse to stretching Hart in CF per se, but when he is surrounded by LaPorta and Braun and we have an infield with a horrible fielder at first, a below average fielder at second, an average fielder at short, and a butcher at third, it just doesn’t work for me.

If you are a good hitting team, you can maybe carry one non-hitter in your lineup (think Charlie Moore on the 82 team). But, as soon as you start thinking that you can fill your last couple holes with non-hitters, you have now taken away whatever you gained on offense.

This is no different. Maybe you can live with Fielder at first or Gamel at third or LaPorta in the OF or Weeks at second or whatever, but when you start putting them all together…UGGGHHH!

by badgermaniac on Jun 15, 2008 6:32 PM CDT   0 recs

You really think the team's defense is the problem?

Despite last night’s error, Hart’s been fine in RF, and so has Braun in LF. As an “offensive guy” I’d think you’d point first to the fact that everyone other than Fielder has a crappy OBP.

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Jun 15, 2008 7:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No, it isn’t THE problem, but when your offense isn’t as good as you thought it might be, that defense still sticks out like a sore thumb.

I understand trying to force guys into extreme positions on the defensive spectrum in order to get value out of them. As a 2B, Weeks can be pretty good. If you have to move him to left, he is terrible, for instance.

You can do that a few places on the field, but not all over the place, which is basically what they have tried to do. It is a novel approach given their financial limitations, but I still think there has to be a balance in there and it would be nice to have a real CF or whatever as part of the team’s future.

As I said, stretching Hart into a CF is one thing. Expecting him to be one of 6 guys that are “stretched” or expecting him to cover for other guys while he is being stretched himself just isn’t going to result in winning baseball.

Can anyone come up with a championship team that was predicated on this model of “just put guys anywhere to put the best bats into the lineup” approach? I can think of teams with a few guys, but not bad defenders all over the field. That puts a LOT of pressure on both your hitting and your pitching, and I think we can see that neither is good enough to overcome the severe fielding problems that might result with some of these projected moves.

I am not saying that they should just give away Fielder, Gamel, LaPorta, Braun, whomever…just that I think it is inevitable that they are going to have to reshuffle the deck to get a broader array of talent.

by badgermaniac on Jun 16, 2008 1:18 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Even though they were 91-71 and 2nd in the AL

I think putting Curt Blefary behind the plate, where he’d played less than ten games in the minors in his career, for the 1968 Orioles would indicate there wasn’t much concern for defense there.

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by TheJay on Jun 16, 2008 11:52 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I used to agree with you, but I'm not sure I do anymore.

Braun’s improvement in LF since April is obvious. I don’t think he’ll ever be a gold glover, but I don’t think it’s outside the realm of possibility that he could end up being above average. As for Hart, I don’t think there’s any reason he can’t be a serviceable CF. He’s got the range (for now) and the arm, though I don’t think he’ll be plus CF guy, which would be nice to have. That leaves LaPorta as an unknown quantity in right. Even if you assume he’s below average defensively, Hart can cheat his way due to Braun’s range in left. Is that a plus defensive OF? No. But I’m not sure it would be that much of a liability.

As for the infield, I think we were pretty solid up the middle until Hardy and Weeks went down. The corners is another question, though, which I’ll admit.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 15, 2008 7:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If we trade Gamel/LaPorta or Fielder for a rental starter

I’m going to throw something through me tv. This is not a team that’s one starter away from contending in my opinion, and I can’t see giving up something significant for a rental pitcher just to stay in the wildcard race.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 15, 2008 7:41 PM CDT   0 recs

Aye!

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Jun 15, 2008 7:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

They would never trade Prince for a rental starter.

I would think he would be traded for some ace-like prospects.

by brewfan2 on Jun 15, 2008 8:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah.

it would be a massive deal. The Tex deal last year (1.5 years of Tex for 3 of the top 4 or 5 prospects in the Atlanta system, including one ML-ready catcher) is a hint of where it might go.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Jun 15, 2008 9:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

who knows

He’s only played one game at first since being drafted. But IIRC in college his reputation was that of a pretty decent first baseman.

by Zeyes on Jun 16, 2008 5:00 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What about Bedard?

I know he’s got the injury bug, but he’s probably going to be on the market, and he’s not a FA until after 2009.

I like the Dodgers as a trade partner, too, because they don’t seem to value certain guys the way there should be valued. Could we get Andy LaRoche and/or Matt Kemp from them? Even Andre Ethier is a viable RF/CF option. Ideas?

by baumann on Jun 16, 2008 12:33 AM CDT   0 recs

That recent snarky Rotoworld comment about Billy Hall would seem to apply

At least in talking about acquiring Bedard.

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by TheJay on Jun 16, 2008 12:35 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

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