PBR's ERA
I posted the following in the game thread from today, but I thought I'd give it its own news entry.
Note, there's a near 0% chance that these "rules" would ever be implimented, especially coming from such a casual fan as myself.
ERA rules have flummoxed me of late. Mota, who gave up a homerun in the inning in question, recently had that erased due to a rescoring of a previous play in the inning as an error. Pitchers who commit an error themselves don't have it count against their ERA. I feel that this ridiculousness must end!
PagsBrewcRew's Proposed new ERA rules:
1) Runs scored in innings where there are no errors are earned (the "well, duh" rule)
2) Errors on the pitcher’s position (E1) are considered as if they were not errors at all. In other words, in innings where the only error is an E1, they are earned runs.
3) Errors resulting in advancement (in contrast to errors resulting from lack-of-out) are scored earned if the runner would have scored from his old base as a result of the rest of the inning. Note that in this formulation a runner will score from second on a single, but not from first on a double. If a sac fly brought a player from 3B to home, it would not bring someone from 2B to 3B.
4) Runs scored on balks and wildpitches count (ie, they’re not errors). Passed balls are considered errors by the errors-from-advancement rule (#3).
5) Errors resulting from lack-of-out (dropped catch, misplayed grounder, etc) are considered a “mout” (modified out) in the inning (as are standard outs). When 3 mouts in the inning occur, the pitcher is not off the hook as far as earned runs are concerned. The bases are considered “cleared” and any batter that scores after the point of the inning reset are earned again (but players on base are considered freebies). In other words, HOMERUNS ALWAYS COUNT AGAINST YOUR ERA. The maximum unearned runs scored from a one-error inning is 3.
6) If relievers come in to an inning after an error has been committed, to them no errors have occured. In other words, once there become 3 “mouts” the bases are not cleared. All runs are earned to the reliever (of batters that he’s faced), presuming no futher errors are committed. The previous pitcher is “off the hook” once 3 mouts have been recorded and advancement-from-error (rule 3) still applies to his baserunners.
end PBR ERA rules.
thoughts? feedback? Anyone want to submit them to the mlb rules committee for review?
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I agree!
Especially with the E1, balks, wildpitches… I want the ERA to be indicitive on how the pitcher performs… if he balks, it is his fault
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
I'm pretty sure balks and wild pitches don't lead to unearned runs already
since they’re not defensive issues.
Also, isn’t #6 already implemented? I was going to c&p, but the idiots at mlb.com apparently have converted their rules pages from HTML to PDF recently for who knows what reason, so a link will have to do. It’s rule 10.16 (i).
the odd thing
is that you get led to a PDF page, but when I was searching for information about “ground rules” just to try and figure out the story on Prince’s in the parker, I ended up with a result that led to an HTML version of the page. So its there…
I find it odd
that mlb actually has the word “muffs” in their official rules.
doesn’t that offend any demographics?
by PagsBrewCrew on Jun 30, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the main point (even though it’s #2) of these rules is to get rid of Rule 10.16(e): “An error by a pitcher is treated exactly the same as an error by any other fielder in computing earned runs.” Once he’s delivered the pitch, the pitcher has taken on the same role of any other fielder, so I think it makes sense his errors are treated the same. Otherwise you’re “favoring” some errors over others.
PBR Rule #3 is already implemented in 10.16(f): “Whenever a fielding error occurs, the pitcher shall be given the benefit of the doubt in determining to which bases any runners would have advanced had the fielding of the defensive team been errorless.” Thus a single would be considered to move all runners up only one base, a double only two bases, etc.
PBR Rule #4 is similar to 10.16(a), which says: “A wild pitch is solely the pitcher’s fault and shall contribute to an earned run just as a base on balls or a balk.”
I’m kind of confused by #5, but it sounds like the current rules except you want home runs always to be earned runs. I think that pitchers shouldn’t be punished for having to face extra batters. After all, they never should have been in position to give up a home run that inning anyway. Who’s to say that they wouldn’t have come out of the ballgame following the inning that should’ve ended or that they wouldn’t have been sharper with an inning in the dugout to rest? It’d be better for a pitcher who has suffered an inning-prolonging error to nibble away and walk guys continually in order to preserve his ERA.
As Zeyes notes, #6 is really just Rule 10.16(i).
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I realized
rule #1 was already in place;)
I also thought I had come across my “rule 4” (or most of it) but wanted to make sure that I was clear that that one would remain in place. I also added the passed ball stipulation to that rule, as I believed that I saw that runs scoring directly off of passed balls were not counted on ERA, whereas I believe it should be situational.
Rule #3: I wanted singles to score runners from second, as they often do in reality. Perhaps my rule 3 should be amended to be outfield singles, as obviously the infield version only very rarely score a runner from second, so the pitcher should be given the benefit of the doubt there. I wasn’t aware if this rule (in any form) was on the books or not, so thanks for pointing that out to me. In any case, I thought I’d make the set of rules as comprehensive as possible, regardless of if the rule is there now or not, but I probably should have noted which rules I believed to already be there.
Rule #2: Fielding one’s position is part of a pitcher’s duties and should be included in ERA – pitchers are already being given the fielding benefit of the doubt. Balls striking their feet or other parts of their bodies are (rightfully so) very rarely charged as errors, as they’re not prepared to receive them, whereas that sort of thing would be often charged to an infielder. Generally a pitchers errors come from an errant throw to first (aren’t they being paid based on their ability to throw a baseball?) and very occasionally improper fielding of a bunt grounder/popup. As the problem is their fault, they should be responsible for it in the form of their ERA (in addition to getting the E1).
Rule #5: I still stand behind this. It’s the main thrust of what I believe should be altered (along with the secondary rule #2). I’m saying that homeruns should be counted, as should triple + singles, 4 consecutive walks and any other scoring of batters that appear after 3 “mouts” have been recorded. I’m saying they get free any runners that are on base, but that anyone that comes up after that point that scores gets counted against ERA. If the manager believes that the pitcher is fatiguing they should pull them out of the game. To have runs count against a reliever that comes in (10.16i), but not for the initial pitcher himself if he remains in the game is ridiculous. From the same combination of events, excepting a pitching change the team ERA can be different? Basically I’m saying that it should be scored as if a pitcher relieves himself after 3 mouts have been recorded – he’s given a fresh start. Chances are his ERA for the last outs will be lower than if he truly started another inning, as he has fewer outs (almost always 1, even in multierror innings) to get with “clear” bases. Basically it’s a gimme that if he messes up should certainly be counted against him. Yes, maybe he would have been more “fresh” sitting on the bench for a while or have been replaced outright between innings, but it’s up to the pitcher and the coaching staff to determine when a pitcher needs to be removed due to fatigue.
Perhaps we should make a compensating change that would make things easier for maintaining low ERA – give them credit for more partial innings of work corresponding to outs they should have had (except for Ks on wildpitches that the batter gets to first)? That way the recent inning that Torres got essentially 5 outs would be considered, ERA wise to be 1+2/3 innings?
by PagsBrewCrew on Jun 30, 2008 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
"...it should be scored as if a pitcher relieves himself..."
I don’t think anyone wants to see that. :)
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What if Dave Bush doesn't back up Kendall
on a throw to home from Corey? The E was given to Corey on a pretty good throw. The second run came in when nobody was there to back it up. It happened last night if you didn’t catch it.
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