Bullpens Around the NL
Getting Yosted usually posts these but I figured I'd steal the idea and put in the pitch count and batters faced numbers, as well, since it's been requested. The Brewers now have the second-fewest relief innings pitched in the National League, but make up for it by throwing the most average pitches per inning and per batter. Getting rid of Turnbow's numbers (something that reminds me of the Cubs fans' pleas in the middle of last season to ignore Wade Miller's numbers when looking at the pitching staff) results in a bullpen that's a little better than league average (whatever that is) by ERA and a tiny bit worse by WHIP. The pitchers per plate appearance numbers go up a little, courtesy of Derrick's ability to get hit hard early in plate appearances where he doesn't issue walks. Finally, the Brewers and Rockies share the league lead (EDIT: er, duh, obviously I missed the Padres when I wrote that) for most pitchers used in relief, though Dave Bush's one appearance hardly makes him a reliever.
Maybe the next time the team feels the bullpen is overworked, they can tell their relievers not to walk and/or pitch around so many guys.
| Team | GP | App | W | L | S | IP | H | R | ER | HR | BB | SO | HBP | RA | ERA | WHIP | BF | Pit | P/PA | P/IP | # Relievers |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| San Diego Padres | 65 | 182 | 11 | 15 | 14 | 230.0 | 230 | 117 | 107 | 17 | 93 | 177 | 3 | 4.58 | 4.19 | 1.40 | 989 | 3868 | 3.91 | 16.82 | 18 |
| Florida Marlins | 62 | 200 | 12 | 10 | 11 | 222.3 | 189 | 98 | 90 | 21 | 109 | 182 | 7 | 3.97 | 3.64 | 1.34 | 951 | 3818 | 4.01 | 17.17 | 11 |
| Pittsburgh Pirates | 63 | 183 | 14 | 6 | 14 | 220.0 | 220 | 101 | 97 | 21 | 98 | 154 | 8 | 4.13 | 3.97 | 1.45 | 965 | 3591 | 3.72 | 16.32 | 10 |
| Chicago Cubs | 64 | 194 | 12 | 9 | 23 | 216.3 | 186 | 84 | 75 | 23 | 74 | 199 | 12 | 3.49 | 3.12 | 1.20 | 905 | 3502 | 3.87 | 16.19 | 13 |
| Washington Nationals | 64 | 194 | 12 | 11 | 12 | 214.7 | 212 | 113 | 106 | 25 | 104 | 180 | 6 | 4.74 | 4.44 | 1.47 | 949 | 3696 | 3.89 | 17.22 | 13 |
| Atlanta Braves | 64 | 214 | 8 | 13 | 10 | 211.3 | 174 | 92 | 81 | 16 | 94 | 176 | 9 | 3.92 | 3.45 | 1.27 | 895 | 3469 | 3.88 | 16.41 | 12 |
| Colorado Rockies | 63 | 189 | 8 | 12 | 14 | 208.7 | 205 | 102 | 90 | 16 | 89 | 158 | 9 | 4.40 | 3.88 | 1.41 | 907 | 3586 | 3.95 | 17.19 | 14 |
| San Francisco Giants | 63 | 189 | 11 | 13 | 17 | 208.3 | 198 | 102 | 94 | 23 | 92 | 172 | 12 | 4.41 | 4.06 | 1.39 | 912 | 3553 | 3.90 | 17.05 | 12 |
| Cincinnati Reds | 64 | 196 | 9 | 7 | 12 | 208.0 | 196 | 97 | 88 | 26 | 91 | 186 | 8 | 4.20 | 3.81 | 1.38 | 909 | 3578 | 3.94 | 17.20 | 13 |
| New York Mets | 62 | 207 | 6 | 9 | 13 | 201.0 | 188 | 103 | 86 | 19 | 78 | 161 | 16 | 4.61 | 3.85 | 1.32 | 871 | 3283 | 3.77 | 16.33 | 11 |
| Los Angeles Dodgers | 63 | 164 | 14 | 6 | 9 | 200.7 | 178 | 71 | 64 | 16 | 72 | 184 | 9 | 3.18 | 2.87 | 1.25 | 848 | 3354 | 3.96 | 16.71 | 11 |
| St. Louis Cardinals | 65 | 196 | 8 | 12 | 22 | 196.3 | 195 | 89 | 84 | 19 | 85 | 141 | 8 | 4.08 | 3.85 | 1.43 | 853 | 3321 | 3.89 | 16.92 | 13 |
| Houston Astros | 64 | 191 | 13 | 10 | 18 | 195.0 | 191 | 93 | 85 | 29 | 74 | 159 | 5 | 4.29 | 3.92 | 1.36 | 844 | 3246 | 3.85 | 16.65 | 11 |
| Philadelphia Phillies | 65 | 174 | 17 | 7 | 19 | 192.0 | 163 | 59 | 55 | 10 | 87 | 151 | 4 | 2.77 | 2.58 | 1.30 | 806 | 3058 | 3.79 | 15.93 | 7 |
| Milwaukee Brewers | 63 | 176 | 13 | 11 | 22 | 191.3 | 174 | 89 | 86 | 20 | 103 | 169 | 5 | 4.19 | 4.05 | 1.45 | 837 | 3364 | 4.02 | 17.58 | 14 |
| Arizona Diamondbacks | 63 | 171 | 4 | 10 | 16 | 178.0 | 148 | 82 | 70 | 16 | 72 | 150 | 15 | 4.15 | 3.54 | 1.24 | 762 | 2848 | 3.74 | 16.00 | 10 |
| NL Average | 64 | 189 | 11 | 10 | 15 | 206.0 | 190 | 93 | 85 | 20 | 88 | 169 | 9 | 4.08 | 3.71 | 1.35 | 888 | 3446 | 3.88 | 16.73 | 12 |
| Brewers (No Turnbow) | 63 | 168 | 13 | 10 | 22 | 185.0 | 162 | 78 | 75 | 19 | 90 | 164 | 4 | 3.79 | 3.65 | 1.36 | 793 | 3194 | 4.03 | 17.26 | 13 |
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What's that last column?
Is it number of relievers used? Shouldn’t it drop to 13 for non-Turnbow if that is the case?
I ask because I’m suprised the Cubs have used 13 relief pitchers, as they still have 4 pitchers(Marmol, Woods, Howry and Lieber) in the top 30 of the NL in terms of innings pitched who have accounted for 63% of bullpen IP. The Brewers have only 1 in the top 40, Torres. Who are those other 9 pitchers, and can any of them help the Cub’s survive a DL stint from one or two of their top 4 bullpen arms?
by Getting Yosted on Jun 9, 2008 10:48 AM CDT 0 recs
Marmol is getting abused
t-2nd in the whole MLB for innings pitched in relief with 40. He’s either gonna get hurt or become ineffective very soon.
Eyre + Wurtz are in the mix, but I don’t think I’d trust either in any high-leverage situations.
by jihad on
Jun 9, 2008 11:06 AM CDT
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I agree.
It seems like every time I flip to the Cubs game on TV, Marmol is pitching. That has to catch up to him at some point. On a side note, it also seems like Zambrano pitches every 3rd day for the Cubs (even though I know it’s not true, it just seems that way)!
by oconnobe on
Jun 9, 2008 11:27 AM CDT
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Does it though?
Don’t forget he’s a guy who pitched about 70 innings in about 3/4 of a season last year. It’d be unfortunate for everyone in the NL Central, but maybe he’s one of those rare guys who can throw 80-90+ innings year in and year out. Sure, he’s on pace for 101 innings this season, but if they maintain their lead in the division, they could probably start resting him more later on.
Maybe he will tire and struggle as the year goes on but I don’t know if you can count on that.
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by TheJay on
Jun 9, 2008 11:40 AM CDT
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It doesn't have to be Marmol that gets hurt
Woods has 34 innings in 33 games, which is on pace for about 87/84. If/when Woods gets hurt is Marmol gonna be able to pitch innings 7-9 every other day? Who steps into the late inning, high leverage role that Marmol is working now?
Much of this activity has been achieved in the easy portion of the Cubs schedule. What happens when they start playing varsity competition on a daily basis?
by Getting Yosted on
Jun 9, 2008 11:54 AM CDT
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Well, yeah
I was commenting more on the thought that Marmol will break down because of how he’s used. I’m sure the Cubs will have to deal with an injury or ineffectiveness in their bullpen at some point, but I don’t know if you can say it’ll involve Marmol any more than anyone else in their pen.
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by TheJay on
Jun 9, 2008 12:11 PM CDT
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I can't remember if it was you or Jeff
That pointed out Marmol pitched over 100 innings each of the last two seasons, when you combine his major and minor league starts/relief appearances. So I suspect Marmol might be able to keep up his end of the work load. If Woods makes it thru unscathed, I am expecting Satan to appear after the Cubs record their final out of the season to collect payment.
by Getting Yosted on
Jun 9, 2008 12:35 PM CDT
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Satan
I hear he’s caught up in other sports. :)
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by TheJay on
Jun 9, 2008 1:37 PM CDT
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Not to mention cycling

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on
Jun 10, 2008 4:50 AM CDT
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Yeah
It should’ve been 13 – I fixed it now.
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by TheJay on
Jun 9, 2008 11:10 AM CDT
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Cubs relievers
Carmen Pignatiello was a lefty that lasted all of two games (2/3 IP). Neal Cotts and Scott Eyre have functioned as the pen’s lefties ever since Sean Marshall went away. Kevin Hart has had issues this year, I’m not sure who Jose Ascanio is, and ex-Brewer Chad Fox surfaced there in early May.
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by TheJay on
Jun 9, 2008 11:14 AM CDT
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ascanio
is the live arm the cubs got from atlanta for will ohman & omar infante (jacque jones + 3 million dollars).
Bring Back The Old Logo!
by jacob on
Jun 9, 2008 11:55 AM CDT
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as i suspected
our bullpen is doing itself the most damage.
as you pointed out, we have the highest P/PA and P/IP (with or without Turnbow) in the league and tied for the second highest WHIP.
That spells for tiring ourselves out and will likely lead to a higher ERA and lead to more relievers being used (including more uncounted warmup pitches).
Good job with the table/research!:)
by PagsBrewCrew on Jun 9, 2008 5:27 PM CDT 0 recs



















