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Bullpens Around the NL

Getting Yosted usually posts these but I figured I'd steal the idea and put in the pitch count and batters faced numbers, as well, since it's been requested. The Brewers now have the second-fewest relief innings pitched in the National League, but make up for it by throwing the most average pitches per inning and per batter. Getting rid of Turnbow's numbers (something that reminds me of the Cubs fans' pleas in the middle of last season to ignore Wade Miller's numbers when looking at the pitching staff) results in a bullpen that's a little better than league average (whatever that is) by ERA and a tiny bit worse by WHIP. The pitchers per plate appearance numbers go up a little, courtesy of Derrick's ability to get hit hard early in plate appearances where he doesn't issue walks. Finally, the Brewers and Rockies share the league lead (EDIT: er, duh, obviously I missed the Padres when I wrote that) for most pitchers used in relief, though Dave Bush's one appearance hardly makes him a reliever.

Maybe the next time the team feels the bullpen is overworked, they can tell their relievers not to walk and/or pitch around so many guys.

TeamGPAppWLSIPHRERHRBBSOHBPRAERAWHIPBFPitP/PAP/IP# Relievers
San Diego Padres 65 182 11 15 14 230.0 230 117 107 17 93 177 3 4.58 4.19 1.40 989 3868 3.91 16.82 18
Florida Marlins 62 200 12 10 11 222.3 189 98 90 21 109 182 7 3.97 3.64 1.34 951 3818 4.01 17.17 11
Pittsburgh Pirates 63 183 14 6 14 220.0 220 101 97 21 98 154 8 4.13 3.97 1.45 965 3591 3.72 16.32 10
Chicago Cubs 64 194 12 9 23 216.3 186 84 75 23 74 199 12 3.49 3.12 1.20 905 3502 3.87 16.19 13
Washington Nationals 64 194 12 11 12 214.7 212 113 106 25 104 180 6 4.74 4.44 1.47 949 3696 3.89 17.22 13
Atlanta Braves 64 214 8 13 10 211.3 174 92 81 16 94 176 9 3.92 3.45 1.27 895 3469 3.88 16.41 12
Colorado Rockies 63 189 8 12 14 208.7 205 102 90 16 89 158 9 4.40 3.88 1.41 907 3586 3.95 17.19 14
San Francisco Giants 63 189 11 13 17 208.3 198 102 94 23 92 172 12 4.41 4.06 1.39 912 3553 3.90 17.05 12
Cincinnati Reds 64 196 9 7 12 208.0 196 97 88 26 91 186 8 4.20 3.81 1.38 909 3578 3.94 17.20 13
New York Mets 62 207 6 9 13 201.0 188 103 86 19 78 161 16 4.61 3.85 1.32 871 3283 3.77 16.33 11
Los Angeles Dodgers 63 164 14 6 9 200.7 178 71 64 16 72 184 9 3.18 2.87 1.25 848 3354 3.96 16.71 11
St. Louis Cardinals 65 196 8 12 22 196.3 195 89 84 19 85 141 8 4.08 3.85 1.43 853 3321 3.89 16.92 13
Houston Astros 64 191 13 10 18 195.0 191 93 85 29 74 159 5 4.29 3.92 1.36 844 3246 3.85 16.65 11
Philadelphia Phillies 65 174 17 7 19 192.0 163 59 55 10 87 151 4 2.77 2.58 1.30 806 3058 3.79 15.93 7
Milwaukee Brewers 63 176 13 11 22 191.3 174 89 86 20 103 169 5 4.19 4.05 1.45 837 3364 4.02 17.58 14
Arizona Diamondbacks 63 171 4 10 16 178.0 148 82 70 16 72 150 15 4.15 3.54 1.24 762 2848 3.74 16.00 10
NL Average 64 189 11 10 15 206.0 190 93 85 20 88 169 9 4.08 3.71 1.35 888 3446 3.88 16.73 12
Brewers (No Turnbow) 63 168 13 10 22 185.0 162 78 75 19 90 164 4 3.79 3.65 1.36 793 3194 4.03 17.26 13

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What's that last column?

Is it number of relievers used? Shouldn’t it drop to 13 for non-Turnbow if that is the case?

I ask because I’m suprised the Cubs have used 13 relief pitchers, as they still have 4 pitchers(Marmol, Woods, Howry and Lieber) in the top 30 of the NL in terms of innings pitched who have accounted for 63% of bullpen IP. The Brewers have only 1 in the top 40, Torres. Who are those other 9 pitchers, and can any of them help the Cub’s survive a DL stint from one or two of their top 4 bullpen arms?

by Getting Yosted on Jun 9, 2008 10:48 AM CDT   0 recs

Marmol is getting abused

t-2nd in the whole MLB for innings pitched in relief with 40. He’s either gonna get hurt or become ineffective very soon.

Eyre + Wurtz are in the mix, but I don’t think I’d trust either in any high-leverage situations.

by jihad on Jun 9, 2008 11:06 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree.

It seems like every time I flip to the Cubs game on TV, Marmol is pitching. That has to catch up to him at some point. On a side note, it also seems like Zambrano pitches every 3rd day for the Cubs (even though I know it’s not true, it just seems that way)!

by oconnobe on Jun 9, 2008 11:27 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Does it though?

Don’t forget he’s a guy who pitched about 70 innings in about 3/4 of a season last year. It’d be unfortunate for everyone in the NL Central, but maybe he’s one of those rare guys who can throw 80-90+ innings year in and year out. Sure, he’s on pace for 101 innings this season, but if they maintain their lead in the division, they could probably start resting him more later on.

Maybe he will tire and struggle as the year goes on but I don’t know if you can count on that.

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by TheJay on Jun 9, 2008 11:40 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It doesn't have to be Marmol that gets hurt

Woods has 34 innings in 33 games, which is on pace for about 87/84. If/when Woods gets hurt is Marmol gonna be able to pitch innings 7-9 every other day? Who steps into the late inning, high leverage role that Marmol is working now?

Much of this activity has been achieved in the easy portion of the Cubs schedule. What happens when they start playing varsity competition on a daily basis?

by Getting Yosted on Jun 9, 2008 11:54 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, yeah

I was commenting more on the thought that Marmol will break down because of how he’s used. I’m sure the Cubs will have to deal with an injury or ineffectiveness in their bullpen at some point, but I don’t know if you can say it’ll involve Marmol any more than anyone else in their pen.

Obscure baseball records and more at my blog, Recondite Baseball.

by TheJay on Jun 9, 2008 12:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I can't remember if it was you or Jeff

That pointed out Marmol pitched over 100 innings each of the last two seasons, when you combine his major and minor league starts/relief appearances. So I suspect Marmol might be able to keep up his end of the work load. If Woods makes it thru unscathed, I am expecting Satan to appear after the Cubs record their final out of the season to collect payment.

by Getting Yosted on Jun 9, 2008 12:35 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He pitched Winter ball as well.

by ol Pete on Jun 9, 2008 12:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Satan

I hear he’s caught up in other sports. :)

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by TheJay on Jun 9, 2008 1:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not to mention cycling

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Jun 10, 2008 4:50 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah

It should’ve been 13 – I fixed it now.

Obscure baseball records and more at my blog, Recondite Baseball.

by TheJay on Jun 9, 2008 11:10 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Cubs relievers

Carmen Pignatiello was a lefty that lasted all of two games (2/3 IP). Neal Cotts and Scott Eyre have functioned as the pen’s lefties ever since Sean Marshall went away. Kevin Hart has had issues this year, I’m not sure who Jose Ascanio is, and ex-Brewer Chad Fox surfaced there in early May.

Obscure baseball records and more at my blog, Recondite Baseball.

by TheJay on Jun 9, 2008 11:14 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

ascanio

is the live arm the cubs got from atlanta for will ohman & omar infante (jacque jones + 3 million dollars).

Bring Back The Old Logo!

by jacob on Jun 9, 2008 11:55 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

as i suspected

our bullpen is doing itself the most damage.

as you pointed out, we have the highest P/PA and P/IP (with or without Turnbow) in the league and tied for the second highest WHIP.

That spells for tiring ourselves out and will likely lead to a higher ERA and lead to more relievers being used (including more uncounted warmup pitches).

Good job with the table/research!:)

by PagsBrewCrew on Jun 9, 2008 5:27 PM CDT   0 recs

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