All-Stars and Parity
The rules governing All-Star Game roster construction have changed over the years, but one thing has been constant for quite some time: Every team must have at least one representative on the team. Naturally, this makes for some undeserving selections now and then.
There are plenty of examples, but in recent years, my favorite has been the 2006 selection of Mark Redman. (I've been fascinated with Redman for a while now--see this article from March 2007.) In browsing through some ASG history yesterday, I came across another galling Royals pick--Jose Rosado, who made the team twice in four-and-a-half year career. Seriously--he was an All-Star twice in the late '90s, and I barely remember the guy.
Of course, the Brewers weren't a good team for quite a long time, and one member of the team needed to be selected every year between the Molitor/Yount era and the Ben Sheets era. In fact, the Brewers had only one All-Star thirteen years in a row, from 1989 to 2001, including such luminaries as Kevin Seitzer, Ricky Bones, and Fernando Vina.
Looking over this year's All-Star rosters, one can find a few picks of this sort, but they are few and far between. I don't know what it says about parity--even bad teams ought to have one good player, right?--but it is encouraging that we'll see close to 18 half-innings of good pitching.
Here are a few of the 2008 All-Star selections that might raise eyebrows:
- Cristian Guzman. He's having a career year, but even his empty .313 batting average leaves him with a 102 OPS+, far behind guys like Jose Reyes and JJ Hardy. Actually, the Nats aren't that hard up--either John Lannan or Jon Rauch would've made for a credible selection.
- Brian Wilson. This one baffles me. At first, I thought, "Yeah, of course the Giants are sending a lame All-Star." But of course, the Giants are also sending Tim Lincecum. Wilson has 25 saves with a WHIP over 1.5. He's racking up the numbers because the Giants offense never scores enough runs to amass anything bigger than a 3-run lead.
- George Sherrill. He's the Wilson of the AL. He's got 28 saves, which makes him the easy choice as a token team rep, but he's not even the best (or second-best) choice from the bullpen. Brian Roberts probably deserved the spot more than Sherrill, too.
- Miguel Tejada. This, like the Wilson pick, is just weird. Lance Berkman is a no-questions-asked starter, so there's no need for Tejada on the team, and Miggy's performance certainly hasn't earned him the trip. Tejada has been out-hit by Guzman (his OPS+ is 95), meaning that he's less deserving than someone who really isn't very deserving. Jose Reyes should be ticked. Heck, even Ryan Theriot should be ticked. At least he's not a lying druggie with no range.
Such a list wouldn't be complete without Derek Jeter (740 OPS with crappy defense!) and Jason Varitek (299 OPS!), but the fans and the players (I presume) are to blame for those.
In other words, the one-player-per-team rule didn't bite too hard this year. Really, Guzman and Sherrill are the only guys who snuck in under that rule, and either one could've been replaced by a better option (if not a slam-dunk All-Star, in the case of the Nats) without wreaking too much havoc on the roster.
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Thank you. I for one do not believe Brian Wilson should be an All Star. Sure, he has the save numbers, but watching him every day and night on the mound is like watching a heart attack. Seriously. It’s by no accident that I describe Wilson as Robb Nen except not good.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 15, 2008 12:45 PM CDT 0 recs
#1 comparison for Rosado
none other than chris capuano lol
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by Michael M on Jul 15, 2008 12:54 PM CDT 0 recs
interesting about Rosado
he was a pretty good pitcher, actually. If he hadn’t torn his rotator cuff, he might still be around—he’s almost exactly the same age as Kris Benson and Braden Looper. And he managed to be the winning pitcher in the ‘97 ASG.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on
Jul 15, 2008 1:06 PM CDT
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Christian Guzman
Guzman is second in all of baseball in hits. He may stink in every other category, but a guy who second in hits, I believe, should be in the All-Star game.
by brewfan2 on Jul 15, 2008 12:54 PM CDT 0 recs
2nd in hits
35th in times on base (hits plus walks plus HBP). It might be that he’s getting all those hits because he rarely walks.
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by TheJay on
Jul 15, 2008 12:58 PM CDT
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He's also batting .338 with runners in scoring position plus...
.333 with runners in scoring position with 2 out. I guess I would rather him be swinging than walking.
by brewfan2 on
Jul 15, 2008 1:11 PM CDT
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it's the nats, though
those are unusually small sample sizes :).
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on
Jul 15, 2008 1:11 PM CDT
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Yeah, it's good he swings in situations where walking wouldn't help much
Too bad he’s not very good the other 80% of the time. But whatever, he’s having a decent enough season – it’s not like he’s Shawon Dunston or anything.
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by TheJay on
Jul 15, 2008 1:31 PM CDT
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Good assessment, Jeff.
However, I actually like the one-player-per-team rule. It is just an exhibition, after all, and without the rule, we are basically telling large groups of fans not to bother watching, because your team sucks.
I know I could easily have ignored the all-star game for about a decade or so, when the Brewers didn’t “deserve” to have anyone there. But I watched, so that I could see if Greg Vaughn got to pinch-hit for somebody good in the eighth inning.
It's called "playing the percentages."
by hilbelink on Jul 15, 2008 12:59 PM CDT 0 recs
But it's not an exhibition!
This time it counts! :)
If they’re going to make the All Star Game decide something like home-field advantage in the World Series, I don’t get why the NL should be saddled with an extra two lesser luminaries just because every team needs to be represented. If it’s an exhibition to get fans of every team to watch, make it meaningless other than lots of good players on one field.
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by TheJay on
Jul 15, 2008 1:07 PM CDT
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eh
the NL is going to lose anyway.
It would be funny, though, if two AL roster spots had to go to, say, the MVP and winning pitcher of the PCL all-star game.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on
Jul 15, 2008 1:08 PM CDT
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Of course...
there is no PCL all-star game.
(Sorry, that one was just too good to pass up.)
by Zeyes on
Jul 15, 2008 6:34 PM CDT
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yeah, I just realized that,
reading the Listach article bk fanshotted.
I can never keep track of which minor leagues have which sorts of ASGs and postseasons.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on
Jul 15, 2008 6:59 PM CDT
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and...
Jeter and Varitek are just as bad as Wilson and Guzman …only Jeter will probably get multiple ABs and several chances to dive for, and miss, groundballs in the hole!
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on
Jul 15, 2008 1:13 PM CDT
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Jose Rosado actually wasn't a bad pitcher, but he got hurt
His second All-Star year, at age 24, was pretty worthy. He had a 130 ERA+ and his strikeouts were going up while his hits allowed were going down. Then he blew out his arm.
Also, Sherrill might not be an AS, but he has to be considered a success after being seen as a throw-in in the Bedard trade.
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on Jul 15, 2008 1:03 PM CDT 0 recs
yeah
When I ‘discovered’ him in this context, I was looking at the ‘97 season. ‘99 is a lot better.
Certainly Sherrill has made good, but that 103 ERA+ is pretty lame for a late-inning reliever.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on
Jul 15, 2008 1:08 PM CDT
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Sherrill has certainly been a successful addition to my fantasy team this year. I always like when I can get an effective closer in the last round of the draft, or later.
It's called "playing the percentages."
by hilbelink on
Jul 15, 2008 1:09 PM CDT
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seriously
does anyone else care about anyone else’s fantasy team?
this comment is not really just directed at you, but I think most fantasy owners only care about their own teams plus the others in their league. And those of us without fantasy teams don’t give a crap.
by PagsBrewCrew on
Jul 15, 2008 1:45 PM CDT
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Want to see some pictures of my kids?
And some slides from my ski vacation?
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on
Jul 15, 2008 1:49 PM CDT
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by TheJay on
Jul 15, 2008 2:00 PM CDT
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Jeeze
Seems like a little bit of an extreme reaction to someone’s comment on a blog. If you don’t care to read someone’s comments about fantasy baseball, skip over it. I generally feel like this is a fairly open place to discuss anything even remotely related to baseball and even the occasional non-related topic. I may not have much interest in rj’s NKOTB post, but I’m not over there telling him that I don’t have any interest in his post therefore he should refrain from posting such things. I like the fact that rj, hilbelink, or anyone else can post just about anything they would like to discuss even if I have no interest in taking part of that discussion.
"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."
by MadJimiBrewha on
Jul 15, 2008 2:31 PM CDT
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true
but he (and you) can equally skip over my comments as well – it’s just my opinion that I don’t give a damn.
Whether or not that concerns you, doesn’t much matter;)
I’m not a moderator or “enforcer”, just trying to provide some feedback. There was another fantasy-related post that I read on these forums today that I could have replied to as well – this was simply the straw that broke my very, very weak back.
I like kow’s response;) I hate looking over photos of other peoples’ vacations too. I’m glad they had fun, but I don’t have fun watching how they had fun in the past;)
by PagsBrewCrew on
Jul 15, 2008 2:37 PM CDT
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Yeah
I understand where you are coming from. You could say one of my pet peeves is when people feel the need to limit what someone else is able to say, plus I probably interpreted your comment a little more harshly than you intended and I apologize for that.
I was a fan of thejays comment/picture. I hadn’t scrolled all the way down so I thought the picture was posted by battlekow and my first impression was holy kow…someone missed the day they taught birth control in sex ed.
"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."
by MadJimiBrewha on
Jul 15, 2008 2:49 PM CDT
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I care
Because I might have them in my fantasy fantasy team league.
Coffee is for closers
by drezdn on
Jul 15, 2008 2:52 PM CDT
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Dixie's latest for THT
We’d be remiss not to link to his article about whether relievers struggle if they throw multiple innings.
Also, dixie/Josh is going to be writing for Driveline Mechanics, which helpfully is becoming part of the SBN global takeover effort.
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on Jul 15, 2008 1:21 PM CDT 0 recs
Do you think, with a little more practice, I'll actually be able to post in the right thread?
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on
Jul 15, 2008 2:57 PM CDT
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no, this is appropriate!
you’re like our very own marginally deserving all-star!
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on
Jul 15, 2008 3:03 PM CDT
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Hey, I lead this blog in recs!
Maybe!
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on
Jul 15, 2008 3:06 PM CDT
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really?
I suspect that dixie does, though you’re probably second.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on
Jul 15, 2008 3:14 PM CDT
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I have no idea
But now I have to find out
BCB's "very own marginally deserving all-star!"
by battlekow on
Jul 15, 2008 3:23 PM CDT
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me: 108
roguejim: 84
you: 60
dixie: 59
TheJay: 39
Zeyes: 21
I’m blowing you guys away! But I probably post 20x more than dixie, and every one of his posts gets like 5 recs, so I’d venture that dixie has the highest rec+.
BCB's "very own marginally deserving all-star!"
by battlekow on
Jul 15, 2008 3:28 PM CDT
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How did I get 39?
I think there’s some rec-fixing going on…
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by TheJay on
Jul 15, 2008 3:42 PM CDT
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I was surprised you didn't have more
I would have guessed you, Jeff, and Josh had the most. Roguejim is running up his totals with L flags (as am I).
BCB's "very own marginally deserving all-star!"
by battlekow on
Jul 15, 2008 3:45 PM CDT
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We all know you have that 2nd account that just happens to love your work :)
"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."
by MadJimiBrewha on
Jul 15, 2008 3:47 PM CDT
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Funnily enough, that actually happened here on BCB
(not TheJay though—he’s much too classy for internet shenanigans)
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by battlekow on
Jul 15, 2008 3:50 PM CDT
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Interesting thought
What if someone with Dissociative Identity Disorder created 2 separate accounts without even knowing it? That would be quite interesting, especially if they had some disagreements.
"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."
by MadJimiBrewha on
Jul 15, 2008 4:00 PM CDT
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...And that’s when I met Tyler Durden…
Coffee is for closers
by drezdn on
Jul 15, 2008 4:23 PM CDT
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so..
is that how I got disqualified for my 100s of recs…
by PagsBrewCrew on
Jul 15, 2008 4:01 PM CDT
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Of course, I post daily
and didn’t even crack the top 6. So all of you must be doing something right. :-)
Derek Jeter is day to day after being hit by a pitch and being gorilla press slammed by a Bizarro Ray.
by KLSnow on
Jul 15, 2008 4:10 PM CDT
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yeah
but you’ve only given 105…
how many do i have? i guess 6.
Bring Back The Old Logo!
by jacob on
Jul 15, 2008 4:10 PM CDT
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You have 16, and have given 62
This was your most popular post, and rightly so. Plus, I’m pretty sure you lead the blog in troll flags given, haha.
BCB's "very own marginally deserving all-star!"
by battlekow on
Jul 15, 2008 4:36 PM CDT
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yeah
he got the pretty green post background color
I have no other goals in life but to achieve that fine distinction.
by PagsBrewCrew on
Jul 15, 2008 8:03 PM CDT
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HA
Now that is sig-worthy
"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."
by MadJimiBrewha on
Jul 15, 2008 3:06 PM CDT
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Haha, way ahead of you
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by battlekow on
Jul 15, 2008 3:08 PM CDT
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Congrats Dixie
On expanding your awesome analysis to another audience.
"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."
by MadJimiBrewha on
Jul 15, 2008 3:05 PM CDT
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What the 1989?
The most interesting thing about the Brewers all-star list is that Robin Yount did not make the team in 1989, his second MVP season. How many other times has that happened (MVP w/o all-star selection)?
As a side-note, his numbers were nice that year .384/.511/.895, but they sure don’t look like MVP numbers. Who did he beat out in ‘89 for the award?
by bcegan on Jul 15, 2008 1:32 PM CDT 0 recs
Complete voting; Ruben Sierra was second and Cal Ripken was third.
And just so everyone is clear, the lines quoted above are OBP/SLG/OPS, not AVG/OBP/SLG (he hit .318).
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on
Jul 15, 2008 1:36 PM CDT
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And just last year, Jimmy Rollins won the MVP without making the AS team
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on
Jul 15, 2008 1:40 PM CDT
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As did...
Justin Morneau in 2006, Chipper Jones in 1999, Juan Gonzalez in 1996, and Terry Pendleton in 1991. I stopped checking at 1980.
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on
Jul 15, 2008 1:49 PM CDT
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That stadium is the real MVP
Chase Utley will continue the trend.
by brewfan2 on
Jul 15, 2008 1:49 PM CDT
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in fairness
he had a monster second half. 130 points higher in OPS. First half was good for a CF, but the really big numbers came after the break.
That, of course, explains some (but far from all!) of the crazy ASG picks—Rosado’s ‘97 first half was way better than his second half, for instance. I would imagine we’ll be able to say the same about Guzman in three months.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on
Jul 15, 2008 1:59 PM CDT
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Tejada really kinda ticks me off as well
Hardy and Reyes are a ton more deserving.
Also, at the game Saturday, I noticed that Edinson Volquez’s OPS is .114, with an OPS+ of -70. Even Ben Sheets manages a -40.
And neck size to baby eating ratio.
by jihad on Jul 15, 2008 2:38 PM CDT 0 recs
Yeah
Reyes is the one who has really gotten burned here.
Hardy has similar numbers, but in fairness, part of his hot streak came after these decisions were made. He was a better option that Tejada then, too, but not as dramatically so.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on
Jul 15, 2008 2:47 PM CDT
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Tejada started out hot. Not so much now. I think his range is debatable as well.
The whole thing about lying about his age doesn’t bother me. Wasn’t his motivation to be able to play professional baseball and earn a living?
by ol Pete on
Jul 15, 2008 3:28 PM CDT
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No, it was to hook little kids on drugs, you idealistic coot
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by battlekow on
Jul 15, 2008 3:29 PM CDT
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nice use
of ‘coot’. You just don’t see that enough these days.
by sheeter on
Jul 15, 2008 4:22 PM CDT
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Coots use words like coot. They wear trousers rather than pants. The possum or fox or unknown mammal in the yard is a “critter.”
by ol Pete on
Jul 15, 2008 5:03 PM CDT
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He called the varmint a critter!
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by battlekow on
Jul 15, 2008 5:16 PM CDT
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nailed it
I prefer varmint.
When refering to a varmint, it is acceptable to use “marmit” a la the dude in the big lebowski
by sheeter on
Jul 15, 2008 5:19 PM CDT
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lots of animals are critters
when they start causin’ trouble, then they is varmints. Worst kind is two legged…
by ol Pete on
Jul 15, 2008 6:37 PM CDT
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or the occasional one-legged variety
actually frequently referred to as “Pete”
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