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George Sherrill? No Thank You

According to the Baltimore Sun, the Brewers and the Cardinals are "the two most aggressive suitors for Orioles closer George Sherrill."  It stands to reason that Melvin would like Sherrill...but it would've made more sense a year ago, when Doug could've acquired him for the more typical bargain-basement price.

The last time I wrote about Sherrill, it was because of his (undeserving) inclusion on the All-Star team.  If you measure reliever quality by saves (now that its inventor is dead--RIP Mr. Holtzman--can we kill the stat, too?), Sherrill is probably the best reliever available at the deadline.

By contrast, if you measure reliever quality by "likelihood he'll be better than Guillermo Mota in the second half," Sherrill falls quite a ways down the list.  (Granted, he's still up there, and of course yes, he'd be an improvement on Mota.)

His quick-and-dirty Marcel projection for the rest of the season suggests he'd throw 25 innings, striking out 24 and walking 11.  That would be good for a WHIP of 1.34 and an ERA of 3.76.  In other words, this is a guy who would probably improve our bullpen (especially since he's a lefty), but is not worth getting into a July 30th bidding war over.

Another way of looking at reliever effectiveness is WXRL, a Baseball Prospectus stat that tries to estimate how many wins the pitcher is worth using play-by-play stats such as win expectancy.  For reference, Brad Lidge, Joe Nathan, K-Rod, and Mariano Rivera are at the top of the list.  (With Brian Wilson?  Whoa!)  Salomon Torres checks in at #11.

So I scrolled down the first page of results, then the second page, then the third...and there he is!  By WXRL, Sherrill is the 76th best reliever in baseball this year, behind such big names as Matt Guerrier, Ryan Madson, and Ramon Ramirez, and way behind his teammate Jim Johnson.  He's been worth under one win so far this season, suggesting that in August and September, he'd be worth about half that.

As I said, I don't doubt that Sherrill would improve the pen.  But as always, the question is: At what price?  We have a good comp that you're probably familiar with.  Last year, a certain Central division contender swapped three pitching prospects for a set-up man.  Linebrink wasn't nearly as expensive as, say, Sabathia or Harden, but I think that the Linebrink deal suggests the starting bid for Sherrill.

One reason why is the save total.  Sherrill's a "proven closer," and it's possible that a team like the Cardinals with a floundering bullpen would pay for that.  The bigger reason why is that Sherrill will be under team control through 2011.  He was arbitration-eligible this year, because he was a super-two, but whoever acquires him will have him for three more years. 

If we were talking about Huston Street, that'd be one thing (though Brewers scouts aren't too excited about him, apparently).  But Sherrill is a solid 7th- or 8th-inning guy who has fluked his way into 29 saves at age 31.  He may be a productive pitcher for years to come, but think Bob Howry, not Billy Wagner.

What's more, the Orioles aren't known for being an easy club to deal with.  Because Sherrill is making under $1MM and will be under team control for so much longer, they don't need to deal him.  Someone will overpay or the Orioles will keep him.   Pass.

Maybe I'm just bitter that some other team picked up Jon Rauch--just as good a pitcher as Sherrill, one with nearly as favorable contract status--for pennies on the dollar.  Hey, if we can get Sherrill for Tony Gwynn Jr. or Hernan Iribarren (either of whom look about the same to me as Emilio Bonfiacio, who the D-backs traded for Rauch), bring it on.  But I'm pretty sure we can't.

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Speaking of relievers

Remember when Mota and Torres were going to be locking down games by throwing multiple innings in relief?

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by TheJay on Jul 24, 2008 12:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

actually...

I was thinking about that the other night, when Torres threw two innings. I see that as a good thing—Yost is willing to use him for two even though he’s in the magical closer role.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Jul 24, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought he pitched pretty well in that first inning. If even one of those Rickie Weeks’ plays is an error, no runs score that inning.

by wisco24 on Jul 24, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You’re spot on with this one.

Coffee is for closers

by drezdn on Jul 24, 2008 12:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

on Orioles forums and blogs

there are often comments that are something like ‘he’s got a lot of miles on him this year, let’s sell him before his performance drops’ only in much more colorful terms.

Regardless, I vote no as well.

by ol Pete on Jul 24, 2008 12:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm hoping that this post inspired it...

But a certain someone is reporting that Melvin is not pursuing Sherrill

by Supertramp on Jul 24, 2008 12:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I like these quotes from DM

Doug agrees with Jeff:

I don’t anticipate making a trade for somebody who’s not much better than what we have.

And this one inspires lots of confidence in the bullpen:

As long as our starting pitching continues to pitch well, I like our bullpen.

It's called "playing the percentages."

by hilbelink on Jul 24, 2008 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Haha, that second one is classic

BCB's "very own marginally deserving all-star!"

by battlekow on Jul 24, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Our guys

Our guys can sit on their asses just as well as anybody’s.

Anyone have the sabermetric numbers on that skill?

by badgermaniac on Jul 24, 2008 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When our Starters throw a complete game:

Our bullpen’s stats are a 0.00 ERA, 0.00 WHIP, 0 BB, 0 blown saves, and 0 Losses.

by NoahJ on Jul 24, 2008 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Roy Halladay

MLB Trade Rumors (always very accurate?) reports that the Blue Jays may quietly look to trade their ace. I don’t see it happening but I’d sure be willing to give Gamel for Halladay (Cheap for an ace and locked through 2010). That would quickly answer the question about next years rotation.

It’s obviously never going to happen, but could you imagine the Cub fans pooping their pants if this type of trade went through.

Link

by brewfan2 on Jul 24, 2008 1:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

oh my

i don’t dare think of the rotation after that trade.

maybe they’d want bush back :).

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Jul 24, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They're big frauds

BCB's "very own marginally deserving all-star!"

by battlekow on Jul 24, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They’ll regain their credibility when Brian Roberts is wearing a Cubs uniform, and Matt Wise is traded for Adam Dunn.

Coffee is for closers

by drezdn on Jul 24, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

It took me a moment...

to figure out if you were referring to MLB Trade Rumours, or the Blue Jays…

by Zeyes on Jul 24, 2008 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What was your conclusion?

I actually meant Cubs fans; I was going off the “big fraud who poops his pants” line.

BCB's "very own marginally deserving all-star!"

by battlekow on Jul 24, 2008 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

mlbtr

mlbtr just re-publishes other people’s stuff. so dan graziano is the one creating those rumors…

Bring Back The Old Logo!

by jacob on Jul 24, 2008 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's true to some extent

However, I’m pretty sure Tim Dierkes, who I believe runs the site, has a live chat every week, which he brings his own opinions.

But thanks for trying to correct me. ;)

by brewfan2 on Jul 24, 2008 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you’re linking to a link to a story, and appropriating the content to mlbtr.

MLB Trade Rumors (always very accurate?) reports that the Blue Jays may quietly look to trade their ace

people throw around that word “reports” far too loosely in my opinion, as if they aren’t quite sure what it means. you’re welcome for the help.

Bring Back The Old Logo!

by jacob on Jul 24, 2008 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I also wrote in bk's fanshot

.522 OPS against lefties, .749 against righties in his career. I don’t think he can hold up the effectiveness when he’s so vulnerable to righthanders. He’s a nice piece, but as said, at what price?

And neck size to baby eating ratio.

by Jordan M on Jul 24, 2008 7:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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