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You Want Bullpen Help? We Already Got Bullpen Help.

There are a lot of relievers on the market.  The Brewers have been linked to George Sherrill and Huston Street, most prominently, and the fact that the Pirates were scouting Huntsville suggests that we could've been in on Damaso Marte.  (Marte was traded to the Yankees yesterday.)

Adam McCalvy reported yesterday on some complaints that Melvin was standing pat, ignoring our "need" for bullpen help.  With guys like Marte changing addresses, any team could improve their bullpen, but of course, these things come at a certain cost.

Melvin also made a comment recently that he isn't worried about the bullpen so long as the rotation keeps pitching the way they have.  It's easy to laugh, but there's a lot of truth there.

We've seen quite clearly what Sabathia can do--he's average more than 8 innings in his four starts so far.  It's probably optimistic to expect him to keep that up, but he's certainly going to give us more innings than we could expect from Bush or McClung--whoever would be pitching if we hadn't gotten CC.

Let's try to stick some numbers on this.  Over the entire season, CC has averaged a bit more than 7 IP per start.  NL offenses aren't as strong, so I feel comfortable rounding up--at least to 7.3, maybe even to 7.7.  He's not going to throw a complete game every time out, but it's tough to imagine needing more than one or two relievers in a game that CC starts.

By contrast, Bush has averaged a bit over 6 IP in his starts, and McClung goes about five and a half per outing.  Combined, they average out to 5.92.  Keep in mind that CC essentially took the place of the bad one (the bad half of the platoon, or whoever would've slotted in if someone got hurt), so round down to 5.7 per start.

We've gotten 4 starts already from CC, and we're going to get at least 12, maybe 13 more.  In those 4, he gave us 33 innings; in the next 12, we can expect 88, for a total of 121.

Assuming 5.7 IP per start, McBush would've given us about 91 frames in those 16 starts.  It's worth considering, too, that the relief innings necessary would've been more variable--it's much more likely that McClung would give out after four innings than CC.  I'm going to ignore that, though.

So, put it all together: Aside from the fact that we replaced a bunch of starter innings with better starter innings, we replaced *thirty* bullpen innings with that many innings from CC.  If we got somebody like Sherrill or Street, we probably wouldn't get more than 30 frames from them--not if we had picked them up when we made the CC deal, and certainly not if we acquired them right now, with a bit more than 1/3 of the season left to play.

Not only that, but relievers--especially someone like Sherrill, not so much Street or Marte--are much more variable.  CC has an impressive track record--short of a freak occurrence, we can take those 30 extra starter innings to the bank.  Sherrill?  We'd probably get 20-25 innings, but I don't think I need to tell a bunch of Brewers fans just how a bad a previously strong reliever can be in a half-season.

Good relievers are expensive, especially at the deadline.  We have CC, a healthy Ben Sheets, and a 3-4-5 that has proven they'll chew up innings even on most of their bad days.  Our starters have thrown more innings than those of any other NL team, and that's without much from Sabathia.  Just about every other contender needs relief help more than we do.  Let's allow them to overpay instead.

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Great work Jeff

I have nothing really to add but just wanted to chime in about Vitters. People seem to love this guy and he was the #3 pick but he is so far from the show he could take any possible career route at this point. Sure he tore up rookie ball as an 18 year old but that is what the number #3 pick should do in rookie ball (paging Tim Beckham). Let’s wait and see on him a bit before we call this guy a top 10 prospect.

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by dixieflatline on Jul 26, 2008 10:47 AM CDT reply actions  

yeah

I don’t know much about him, except that he’s the best the Cubs have left. I linked to him more as a joke than anything else. High school picks not named A-Rod can be incredibly frustrating, since their development can seem to take SO long. I mean, David Price could probably contribute in September, and Vitters is at least two more years away, probably three or four from doing anything useful.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Jul 26, 2008 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

And we’d have more bullpen help if either Bush or McClung was the actual #5 instead of in the platoon. I don’t expect McClung to be used at all during the homestand, and Bush wasn’t used on the road trip, so what’s the point?

by morineko on Jul 26, 2008 1:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Ned finds managing too easy.

He needs a challenge.

On the other hand, if there was a real live “long man” in the pen (someone Dessens-esque), would we have used him at all in the last 8-10 games?

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Jul 26, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not to mention

We already have some bullpen help, and maybe even some more.

BCB's "very own marginally deserving all-star!"

by battlekow on Jul 26, 2008 1:35 PM CDT reply actions  

those pages are so pretty!

we should measure all potential acquisitions by the DiFelice test:

1. Do you walk more than one batter per month?

ANSWER KEY
1. No.

Anyone scoring below 70% fails, and should not be acquired.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Jul 26, 2008 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Turnbow's version

Q: Do you walk more than one batter per month week game inning batter?

A: On a good day!

BCB's "very own marginally deserving all-star!"

by battlekow on Jul 26, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Looks like Cleveland snagged Anthony Reyes on the cheap

Damn, whether we need bullpen help or not, if we could have gotten both Reyes and Rauch for practically nothing I would have jumped on it.

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Jul 26, 2008 3:26 PM CDT reply actions  

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